Player Discussion Artem Zub (D) Part 2 [Extended 4 years @ $4.6M]

[GCK]

Trying to understand Zub’s value on his next contract is almost impossible. The comparable are all over the map. The best fit age/style/numbers that I could find are below.

Adam Pelech 8 years @ 5.75
Esa Lindell 6 years @ 5.8

 

[Boud]

So what is this non-sense going around about trading Zub? Any substance to this?

I really don't see it happening ... How can you sell to your fanbase that you're pushing for a more competitive team and at the same time trade your most reliable defensemen.

It's cool that we have JBD and Thomson but we shouldn't rely on them that much. Best case scenario you have Zub on the top pair with Chabot next season or with Sanderson. He would be an incredible partner for Sanderson. The value he brings to the team is above 5M a year fairly easily IMO. Even Holden is worth more than 1.3 from my perspective.

Chabot - Brannstrom/JBD
Sanderson - Zub
Holden - JBD/Thomson/Brannstrom
J.Brown

Zaitsev needs to go...

When you know 100% that JBD/Thomson can provide Zub type of stability on the backend then you may consider moving him - maybe even next season but now? No chance IMO.

 

[HSF]

I think the only guy talking up Holden prior to the season was @bert and a ton of guys has Mete>Brannstrom.

But sure, go ahead and remember it that way

I think we can all agree that 99% of posters here knew that MDZ was a disaster signing and a better move should have made

I don't think i am exaggerating to that think with a proper nhl top 4 defensemen many here think we could have had a different start

 

[OD99]

If Sanderson is saddled with Zaitsev to begin his NHL career I will be extremely disappointed and lose my remaining confidence that the management/coaching will be able to shape our young talent in to contender status.

Zub is so clearly the right partner to support Sanderson it is comical to think otherwise. Stable, smart, consistent D that seems to always make his partner better = vet defender to pair your emerging star D with.

Ideally we get someone better than Zaitsev for Chabot but in the short term that can work (sprinkle in games with Lassi/JBD, time with Brann) but for the love of Alfie don't crush Sanderson's spirit by having to babysit Zaitsev.

 

[GCK]

I think we can all agree that 99% of posters here knew that MDZ was a disaster signing and a better move should have made

I don't think i am exaggerating to that think with a proper nhl top 4 defensemen many here think we could have had a different start

Agree that we knew it was a disaster, not sure there was a better move. I would stopped at the Holden add and then watched the waiver wire when camp ended.

 

[Cosmix]

Trying to understand Zub’s value on his next contract is almost impossible. The comparable are all over the map. The best fit age/style/numbers that I could find are below.

Adam Pelech 8 years @ 5.75
Esa Lindell 6 years @ 5.8

Are there any others that could be used?

$5.8M per for 6-8 years seems rather high for us. I might prefer using JBD, Thomson & Kleven at lower ELC and RFA contract levels during the next 6-8 years while focusing on signing Sanderson at a long term salary as Ottawa is a budget team.

 

[Cosmix]

So what is this non-sense going around about trading Zub? Any substance to this?

I really don't see it happening ... How can you sell to your fanbase that you're pushing for a more competitive team and at the same time trade your most reliable defensemen.

It's cool that we have JBD and Thomson but we shouldn't rely on them that much. Best case scenario you have Zub on the top pair with Chabot next season or with Sanderson. He would be an incredible partner for Sanderson. The value he brings to the team is above 5M a year fairly easily IMO. Even Holden is worth more than 1.3 from my perspective.

Chabot - Brannstrom/JBD
Sanderson - Zub
Holden - JBD/Thomson/Brannstrom
J.Brown

Zaitsev needs to go...

When you know 100% that JBD/Thomson can provide Zub type of stability on the backend then you may consider moving him - maybe even next season but now? No chance IMO.

I agree we should keep Zub on the roster for this season and next season (he is under contract with Ottawa for both seasons). Trading him now makes no sense UNLESS the value we get back is high.

I think you are under-appreciating Thomson a bit by not showing him as an option to play with Chabot along with Brannstrom and JBD.

I also disagree with showing J. Brown as the 7th defenceman for next season. He is UFA at the end of this season and it's time to part ways. I would rather give the ice time to a younger player such as JBD or Thomson, alternating them in to gain NHL experience and as injury replacements. I would rather "develop" these players than watch another old declining vet who can no longer play in the league.

Zaitsev and MDZ hopefully can be traded away.

 

[Boud]

I agree we should keep Zub on the roster for this season and next season (he is under contract with Ottawa for both seasons). Trading him now makes no sense UNLESS the value we get back is high.

I think you are under-appreciating Thomson a bit by not showing him as an option to play with Chabot long with Brannstrom and JBD.

I also disagree with showing J. Brown as the 7th defenceman for next season. He is UFA at the end of this season and it's time to part ways. I would rather give the ice time to a younger player such as JBD or Thomson, alternating them in to gain NHL experience and as injury replacements. I would rather "develop" these players than watch another old declining vet who can no longer play in the league.

Zaitsev and MDZ hopefully can be traded away.

I agree completely for some reason thought Brown was under contract for next season but now realizing he's FA and shouldn't be signed.

And for the Thomson thing, fair as well. I'm a bit more skeptical on him probably because of the general consensus on him in previous years but ultimately he was pretty good when he was playing and his gap control was impressive. Still work to do but could be there after a strong offseason.

 

[GCK]

Are there any others that could be used?

$5.8M per for 6-8 years seems rather high for us. I might prefer using JBD, Thomson & Kleven at lower ELC and RFA contract levels during the next 6-8 years while focusing on signing Sanderson at a long term salary as Ottawa is a budget team.

Most UFAs will want term so I think it’s 5-8 years.

 

[GCK]

I agree completely for some reason thought Brown was under contract for next season but now realizing he's FA and shouldn't be signed.

And for the Thomson thing, fair as well. I'm a bit more skeptical on him probably because of the general consensus on him in previous years but ultimately he was pretty good when he was playing and his gap control was impressive. Still work to do but could be there after a strong offseason.

I’d take another year of Josh Brown on a two way if he doesn’t get a 1 way elsewhere. Nice to have extra depth in Belleville

 

[BankStreetParade]

Trying to understand Zub’s value on his next contract is almost impossible. The comparable are all over the map. The best fit age/style/numbers that I could find are below.

Adam Pelech 8 years @ 5.75
Esa Lindell 6 years @ 5.8

If those are his closest comparables you kinda have to look at moving him. This team still has an internal budget and all of Norris (6-7.5), Formenton (2.5-3.75), Brannstrom (2-3), Pinto (3.75-5.25), Stutzle (7-9), Sanderson (7-9) and potentially C. Brown (4-5) to be re-upped during the time Zub's (5-6) extension will be active. You could be looking at anywhere from $30-40 million in extensions there on top of $40-ish million already committed without accounting for Zub.

 

[GCK]

If those are his closest comparables you kinda have to look at moving him. This team still has an internal budget and all of Norris (6-7.5), Formenton (2.5-3.75), Brannstrom (2-3), Pinto (3.75-5.25), Stutzle (7-9), Sanderson (7-9) and potentially C. Brown (4-5) to be re-upped during the time Zub's (5-6) extension will be active. You could be looking at anywhere from $30-40 million in extensions there on top of $40-ish million already committed without accounting for Zub.

How do you propose replacing Zub at a lower cost ?

 

[Sens Vader]

We aren't trading Zub

Da f*** is that

 

[GCK]

We shoudnt be trading Zub

Da f*** is that

Fyp

 

[JD1]

How do you propose replacing Zub at a lower cost ?

I personally don't see Zub being here IF we're looking at a long term deal in the value range you're looking at with those comparables.

 

[GCK]

I personally don't see Zub being here IF we're looking at a long term deal in the value range you're looking at with those comparables.

Well unfortunately that’s the going rate.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Zub is probably the best defensive defender we've had since Volchenkov or Methot. Idgaf get him signed here long term. Its hard to find solid shut down guys, let alone a guy like Zub who isn't a huge guy and knows how to handle the puck

I'm praying we get him extended.

Chabot Sanderson and Zub would be an excellent defense core.

 

[Cosmix]

I'm praying we get him extended.

Chabot Sanderson and Zub would be an excellent defense core.

Only half of one, and I would say "very good" rather than "excellent" att.

 

[Boud]

I personally don't see Zub being here IF we're looking at a long term deal in the value range you're looking at with those comparables.

With Sanderson, JBD, Brannstrom and Thomson all on ELC or low value contracts we should be able to allocate the money to Zub IMO. Only him and Chabot would be paid like top 4 Dmen for now. We know how important it is to have stability on the backend. Rolling on the right side with JBD, Thomson and whoever would be risky. Zub is good enough that we wouldn't have any issues moving him at some point during the contract if need be and all teams are looking for players exactly like him.

They should consider unloading Zaitsev to make space for him, MDZ as well, I would rather we sign Zub than Paul also. To me he's that important. 5-6M for a player like him is very fair. These players are nearly impossible to acquire via trade unless you pay up or draft them. There's a lack of good dman in this league.

I know you're not saying we shouldn't sign him or anything but to me he should be priority #1. If I'm the GM I do everything to get rid of the trash we have to make space for him, hell buy out White if you need to.

 

[Cosmix]

How do you propose replacing Zub at a lower cost ?

"Replace" is easy, "replicate" could be difficult; however, we do have JBD, Thomson and Kleven in the prospect pipeline att. I hope we extend him for another 4-5 years at an affordable salary for this budget team.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Only half of one, and I would say "very good" rather than "excellent" att.

By "core" I mean the most important players. Like how a team's forward core is defined by 4-5 players.

 

[Cosmix]

With Sanderson, JBD, Brannstrom and Thomson all on ELC or low value contracts we should be able to allocate the money to Zub IMO. Only him and Chabot would be paid like top 4 Dmen for now. We know how important it is to have stability on the backend. Rolling on the right side with JBD, Thomson and whoever would be risky. Zub is good enough that we wouldn't have any issues moving him at some point during the contract if need be and all teams are looking for players exactly like him.

They should consider unloading Zaitsev to make space for him, MDZ as well, I would rather we sign Zub than Paul also. To me he's that important. 5-6M for a player like him is very fair. These players are nearly impossible to acquire via trade unless you pay up or draft them. There's a lack of good dman in this league.

I know you're not saying we shouldn't sign him or anything but to me he should be priority #1. If I'm the GM I do everything to get rid of the trash we have to make space for him, hell buy out White if you need to.

The GM we have is responsible for the trash we have.

 

[Cosmix]

By "core" I mean the most important players. Like how a team's forward core is defined by 4-5 players.

I read it as the complete set of 6 D.

 

[GCK]

"Replace" is easy, "replicate" could be difficult; however, we do have JBD, Thomson and Kleven in the prospect pipeline att. I hope we extend him for another 4-5 years at an affordable salary for this budget team.

Can’t be worrying about budget now. It’s close to cap spending time.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I'm praying we get him extended.

Chabot Sanderson and Zub would be an excellent defense core.

Absolutely agree. He can be traded too, no doubt.

5x6 sounds perfect.

Imo, he also has another gear to his game we have not seen yet. Can be top pairing guy, late bloomer a la Petry.