Player Discussion Artem Zub (D) Part 2 [Extended 4 years @ $4.6M]

[Ice-Tray]

Who do you have as the top 3/5?

Chabot and Batherson are the only ones at that I can see a good argument as being ahead of Zub, but Zub not in the lineup leaves a bigger hole than Drake not in the lineup.

So that's why I say arguably 2nd best. Even though Drake is probably a better hockey player, Zub is more valuable from a matchups perspective.

Chabot, Batherson, Brady, Conor Brown, Stu, Murray are all better hockey players than Zub in my opinion.

He is very valuable to this team right now, but his value should be on par with Thomson soon enough if things go reasonably well with him, and below Sanderson obviously. Which is great.

He’s a very good player, kind of a jack of all trades master of none, like Brown as a forward. The difference to me is that Brown is a better defensive forward than Zub is an offensive defender, while both are solid in their respective positions.

 

[Sens Vader]

Superman wears Zub printed pajamas to bed

His tears cure cancer, too bad he never cries

I once saw Zub get bit by a rattlesnake, after 5 days of excruciating pain, the snake finally died

 

[GCK]

None will be as good. Surprised you don't like Zub more tbh. He is a really heavy player. He takes alot of hard physical plays and it looks like it doesn't effect him.

Too early to say none will be as good IMO. If one or more do get to Zub’s level we will be sitting pretty.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Chabot, Batherson, Brady, Conor Brown, Stu, Murray are all better hockey players than Zub in my opinion.

He is very valuable to this team right now, but his value should be on par with Thomson soon enough if things go reasonably well with him, and below Sanderson obviously. Which is great.

He’s a very good player, kind of a jack of all trades master of none, like Brown as a forward. The difference to me is that Brown is a better defensive forward than Zub is an offensive defender, while both are solid in their respective positions.

Damn thats quite a big list. Maybe I overvalue defenceman but I don't agree. If Zub was only the 7th best player on this team we would be in a playoff spot.

And you say he's not a master at anything but he's pretty close from a defensive standpoint imo.

From a pure defensive perspective he might be the best we've had since Phillips and Volchenkov and he might be even better than them. So arguably best since Chara? That's pretty close to being a master.

I guess you can argue Methot too but Zubs significant advantage at passing, breakouts, smoothness and hockey sense make him a better defensive player (similar argument can be made for Zub over Phillips/Volchenkov).

 

[Ice-Tray]

I'm not sure what your point is here. Literally NONE of the players from the first list were acquired from trading away the players in the 2nd list.

Not only that, but more than half of the players in the top list were either acquired for nothing (Mete, MDZ), or we were given assets to take them (Zaitsev, Coburn, Paquette).

Yeah that list is a pretty weak argument against pro scouting, especially when put beside the guys we currently have on the roster. Also including Tierney as a bad pro scouting example from the EK trade is perplexing as well.

Being shocked that placeholder vets weren’t that great also weird, since right from the horses mouth they weren’t expected to be great, simply do do the job they were brought in to do, and then be benched and cut loose when the kids took their jobs.

The pro scouting myth in here stems from the team not picking up younger, better, more expensive players during the rebuild, without consideration for what these players may want. The sentiment amplifies mid season when people start to grumble that we should picked up each of the off season darlings that have ended up shining, while quickly forgetting the guys they wanted who have tailed off and been poor pick ups.

The guys we have on the roster that are good are accidents, as we just heard again, or have succeeded in spite of us picking them up somehow.

It’s just how it is in here, and since no one is ever wrong in here, and any absolutely hate the teams management, it’s not a discussion that ever goes anywhere but straight into the toilet.

At least we can all basically agree that we’re enjoying watching the Sens play these days, that’s something positive and new .

 

[Ice-Tray]

Damn thats quite a big list. Maybe I overvalue defenceman but I don't agree. If Zub was only the 7th best player on this team we would be in a playoff spot.

I love Zub man, I’m not meaning to insult him, or you. I also love Conor Brown.

If we played like this from the start we would be in a playoff spot, or fighting for one

 

[swiftwin]

Zub is a great top 4 defenseman, but he's not the 2nd best player on the team c'mon.... This is exactly what I was talking about when I said he's starting to get overrated by the fanbase. We've just been deprived of defensive depth for so long that we've forgotten what a good top 4 defenseman looks like.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I love Zub man, I’m not meaning to insult him, or you. I also love Conor Brown.

If we played like this from the start we would be in a playoff spot, or fighting for one

if we had started with Chabot, Zub, Brannstrom and Holden like many posters here were calling for we'd be in much better shape. Just like last season.

But yes it is exciting how close we are to being playoff competitive. Sanderson getting here will tip the scales I think.

 

[Ice-Tray]

if we had started with Chabot, Zub, Brannstrom and Holden like many posters here were calling for we'd be in much better shape. Just like last season.

But yes it is exciting how close we are to being playoff competitive. Sanderson getting here will tip the scales I think.

Me too, and I’m looking forward to seeing what Thomson looks like at next years camp as well.

 

[Tuna99]

Zub is a great top 4 defenseman, but he's not the 2nd best player on the team c'mon.... This is exactly what I was talking about when I said he's starting to get overrated by the fanbase. We've just been deprived of defensive depth for so long that we've forgotten what a good top 4 defenseman looks like.

i have this condition with Women

 

[bert]

I'm not sure what your point is here. Literally NONE of the players from the first list were acquired from trading away the players in the 2nd list.

Not only that, but more than half of the players in the top list were either acquired for nothing (Mete, MDZ), or we were given assets to take them (Zaitsev, Coburn, Paquette).

The point is they are terrible pick ups and the team has been really bad. How is that hard to understand?

The point is their pro scouting traded all of these players for really bad returns.

Lmfao! When and where did I ever say that? You're hallucinating and making up false accusations.

You said you wouldnt pay him and asked what his worth was if Holden is only making 1.3 million. I quoted your post. Is this serious? Honestly is it?

I'm starting to think Zub is a bit overrated. He was phenomenal to start the season (playing with Chabot), but he's come back down to earth a bit lately. Even 5M is an overpay. I'd consider ~$4M.

Not saying he's bad. Just saying he's not worth 5-6M. Why is Holden only worth 1.3M, while Zub is worth 6M?

Who is hallucinating?

 

[bert]

Too early to say none will be as good IMO. If one or more do get to Zub’s level we will be sitting pretty.

I am very confident none of them will be as good a player, they dont have the physicality or the size, or in Klevens situation the skill and poise. They would have to be extraordinary on the offensive side of the game to get to his level. None will be as good defensively. Zub can carry a pair with any partner there are very few players who can do that.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Zub isn’t getting 6 million.

 

[swiftwin]

Who is hallucinating?

Thanks for proving my point. I said I'd re-sign him for ~$4m. Not $6m like some are saying.

 

[JD1]

Right from Trent Mann they thought he was a depth player and didnt play him for 10 games into the season. They obviously didnt think he was this good. So yes a pro acquisition but it was clearly lucky. Based on their scouting and evaluations they thought Gudbranson and Josh Brown were better players. He was also from the KHL not the same type of signing. I know what you are trying to do here, yes their pro scouting is still horrible.

Actually most of what I was driving at is there's not much about Zub that would stand out in practice. He's not fast. Doesn't have a cannon. He's not huge. He's Russian so not a fighter. He was a hard player to assess in practice with virtually no camp at the start of 2021. He's good because he is so simple.

 

[JD1]

if we had started with Chabot, Zub, Brannstrom and Holden like many posters here were calling for we'd be in much better shape. Just like last season.

But yes it is exciting how close we are to being playoff competitive. Sanderson getting here will tip the scales I think.

I think the only guy talking up Holden prior to the season was @bert and a ton of guys has Mete>Brannstrom.

But sure, go ahead and remember it that way

 

[Sweatred]

Zub has looked a bit meh to me for a while to me … could be the TV but I always find I’m amazed by him in person.

 

[Sweatred]

I think the only guy talking up Holden prior to the season was @bert and a ton of guys has Mete>Brannstrom.

But sure, go ahead and remember it that way

I don’t think he’s mistaken… I recall a few of the usuals pumping Mete>Brann but lots advocating the right way on Brann.

 

[JD1]

I don’t think he’s mistaken… I recall a few of the usuals pumping Mete>Brann but lots advocating the right way on Brann.

Perhaps. I seem to recall a lot of pumping Mete's tires. Maybe it's a vocal minority so I heard it lots.

 

[JD1]

Zub has looked a bit meh to me for a while to me … could be the TV but I always find I’m amazed by him in person.

You can remember going to games in person? That seems so long ago.

 

[Sweatred]

You can remember going to games in person? That seems so long ago.

Only a few months ago …

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I think the only guy talking up Holden prior to the season was @bert and a ton of guys has Mete>Brannstrom.

But sure, go ahead and remember it that way

I've been a fan of Holden. You don't play 3 seasons on VGK if you suck. And he was pretty solid in last years playoffs.

Honestly I'm a little surprised that a contender didn't target him and that we got him re-signed for 1.3 million. He could be doing a lot better.

Full marks to Dorion for that.

 

[Big Muddy]

I think the only guy talking up Holden prior to the season was @bert and a ton of guys has Mete>Brannstrom.

But sure, go ahead and remember it that way

When I heard the announcement we had acquired him I said that I thought he was a good acquisition. He was solid at the end of the season and the playoffs when he played for Vegas. I think there's a segment of a fan base that basically only watch NHL games when their fav/home team plays. Others watch most nights regardless of whether the home/fav team is playing example watching Detroit vs Philly right now. You can pick that vibe up frequently if you watch a lot of games.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

Superman wears Zub printed pajamas to bed

His tears cure cancer, too bad he never cries

I once saw Zub get bit by a rattlesnake, after 5 days of excruciating pain, the snake finally died

Turns out, Artem Zub is Russian for Chuck Norris.

 

[bicboi64]

Zub is probably the best defensive defender we've had since Volchenkov or Methot. Idgaf get him signed here long term. Its hard to find solid shut down guys, let alone a guy like Zub who isn't a huge guy and knows how to handle the puck