Player Discussion Artem Zub (D) Part 2 [Extended 4 years @ $4.6M]

[DaveMatthew]

I’m concerned that Zub may have had no interest in extending beyond his controlled years ?

Nobody knows what he'll want to do. There's no signs pointing to him wanting to leave, nor are there signs pointing to him wanting to stay.

I do, however, think people underestimate that value of comfort for foreign born players. Yes they're making millions, but it's incredibly difficult to move thousands of miles away from your family and friends, to a new country and culture, especially when you don't speak the language (and neither Zub nor his wife spoke english). They've since had a baby in Ottawa.

Hopefully, they're comfortable here and have been able to build a circle of friends and support system, because that might be what entices them to stay.

 

[JD1]

Nobody knows what he'll want to do. There's no signs pointing to him wanting to leave, nor are there signs pointing to him wanting to stay.

I do, however, think people underestimate that value of comfort for foreign born players. Yes they're making millions, but it's incredibly difficult to move thousands of miles away from your family and friends, to a new country and culture, especially when you don't speak the language (and neither Zub nor his wife spoke english). They've since had a baby in Ottawa.

Hopefully, they're comfortable here and have been able to build a circle of friends and support system, because that might be what entices them to stay.

There's also flow Russians

 

[Sweatred]

Nobody knows what he'll want to do. There's no signs pointing to him wanting to leave, nor are there signs pointing to him wanting to stay.

I do, however, think people underestimate that value of comfort for foreign born players. Yes they're making millions, but it's incredibly difficult to move thousands of miles away from your family and friends, to a new country and culture, especially when you don't speak the language (and neither Zub nor his wife spoke english). They've since had a baby in Ottawa.

Hopefully, they're comfortable here and have been able to build a circle of friends and support system, because that might be what entices them to stay.

Hope so .. he's set himself up to get the best offer he can from 30 teams ...Hopefully ours is the best in his view.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Eh, we’ll know soon enough if he even entertains offers from other teams. We have a nice window to get him signed ourselves before league competition ever comes into play.

 

[SquidNasty]

Is it just me or does Zub low-key have a cannon of a slap shot?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Is it just me or does Zub low-key have a cannon of a slap shot?

Wish DJ would take note.

Doesn't really put him on the PP, didn't play him 3 on 3 OT.

Even though he's arguably our 2nd best player.

 

[GCK]

Wish DJ would take note.

Doesn't really put him on the PP, didn't play him 3 on 3 OT.

Even though he's arguably our 2nd best player.

2nd best player ??? DJ did start him last time we were in OT.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

2nd best player ??? DJ did start him last time we were in OT.

Yes arguably our 2nd best player. You pull Zub and the team will collapse.

There was a recent game where he didn't put Zub on the ice at all 3 on 3 while triple shifting Chabot. Annoyed the f*** out of me.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Zub is not our 2nd best player.

He is currently our second best defender.

Soon he will be our third best defender, which is exactly where abouts a contending team needs his talent level to be.

He has a decent shot and can move around the O zone, but he doesn’t possess the instincts or vision to be an offensive player.

To be honest, I would like to see him be a little more varied in the D zone at times. He always swallows the puck on the boards instead of making a quick pass, which works great when it’s one of your tools, just not when you do it every time. Teams are starting to get a book on Zub in the D zone and he’s become a little less effective than he was before.

Still love the guy, but he has some growing to do in his game as well, and he’s not nearly the second best player on the team.

 

[aragorn]

Zub is an excellent & solid defensive defenceman who occassionaly produces offensively. Sanderson in time will be better but I hope one of or both JBD, Kleven & Thomson becomes as good.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Zub is not our 2nd best player.

He is currently our second best defender.

Soon he will be our third best defender, which is exactly where abouts a contending team needs his talent level to be.

He has a decent shot and can move around the O zone, but he doesn’t possess the instincts or vision to be an offensive player.

To be honest, I would like to see him be a little more varied in the D zone at times. He always swallows the puck on the boards instead of making a quick pass, which works great when it’s one of your tools, just not when you do it every time. Teams are starting to get a book on Zub in the D zone and he’s become a little less effective than he was before.

Still love the guy, but he has some growing to do in his game as well, and he’s not nearly the second best player on the team.

Who do you have as the top 3/5?

Chabot and Batherson are the only ones at that I can see a good argument as being ahead of Zub, but Zub not in the lineup leaves a bigger hole than Drake not in the lineup.

So that's why I say arguably 2nd best. Even though Drake is probably a better hockey player, Zub is more valuable from a matchups perspective.

 

[bert]

Zub is an excellent & solid defensive defenceman who occassionaly produces offensively. Sanderson in time will be better but I hope one of or both JBD, Kleven & Thomson becomes as good.

None will be as good. Surprised you don't like Zub more tbh. He is a really heavy player. He takes alot of hard physical plays and it looks like it doesn't effect him.

 

[JD1]

None will be as good. Surprised you don't like Zub more tbh. He is a really heavy player. He takes alot of hard physical plays and it looks like it doesn't effect him.

So is Zub a pro scouting acquisition? Just curious.

I like all the attention that Zub gets. He's a solid player. The interesting thing with Zub is that there's nothing spectacular or stand out about him. He's the definition of a better game player than practice player. Virtually every little in game decision is the right decision and because he makes those right decisions the play that follows is usually simple

 

[aragorn]

None will be as good. Surprised you don't like Zub more tbh. He is a really heavy player. He takes alot of hard physical plays and it looks like it doesn't effect him.

I do like Zub & hope he is re-signed for a while, he's clearly their best defensive defenceman & they can't afford to lose him. I'm just hoping for one or two of those three to also be as good defensively while slightly better offensively. The team clearly needs better defencemen, but you may be right in that none of them will get there. I imagine they will all be NHL defencemen, but not quite as solid defensively, although they could be slightly better offensively, at least I hope so. We'll see.

 

[bert]

So is Zub a pro scouting acquisition? Just curious.

I like all the attention that Zub gets. He's a solid player. The interesting thing with Zub is that there's nothing spectacular or stand out about him. He's the definition of a better game player than practice player. Virtually every little in game decision is the right decision and because he makes those right decisions the play that follows is usually simple

Right from Trent Mann they thought he was a depth player and didnt play him for 10 games into the season. They obviously didnt think he was this good. So yes a pro acquisition but it was clearly lucky. Based on their scouting and evaluations they thought Gudbranson and Josh Brown were better players. He was also from the KHL not the same type of signing. I know what you are trying to do here, yes their pro scouting is still horrible.

 

[swiftwin]

Right from Trent Mann they thought he was a depth player and didnt play him for 10 games into the season. They obviously didnt think he was this good. So yes a pro acquisition but it was clearly lucky. Based on their scouting and evaluations they thought Gudbranson and Josh Brown were better players. He was also from the KHL not the same type of signing. I know what you are trying to do here, yes their pro scouting is still horrible.

What about CBrown? Holden? Ennis? Gaudette? Heck, even Murray and Forsberg lately.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Right from Trent Mann they thought he was a depth player and didnt play him for 10 games into the season. They obviously didnt think he was this good. So yes a pro acquisition but it was clearly lucky. Based on their scouting and evaluations they thought Gudbranson and Josh Brown were better players. He was also from the KHL not the same type of signing. I know what you are trying to do here, yes their pro scouting is still horrible.

Lol, he didn’t play at the begin because of a short training camp, and zero exhibition games. no one had seen him play against NHLers.
We have a 1 year window to re-sign him before anyone else.

 

[bert]

What about CBrown? Holden? Ennis? Gaudette? Heck, even Murray and Forsberg lately.

HAHA you really are something. ARE YOU ACTUALLY TRYING TO ARGUE THEY PRO SCOUTING HAS BEEN GOOD?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? Alright the body bag it is. 5 seasons in a row the team has been out of the playoff race before the end of the 2nd month of the season. But really you are coming with 3 waiver pick ups and a player that went through waivers? Murray? HAHA.

Additions that were absolutely horrid. Stepan, J Brown, Paquette, Tierney, Gudbranson, Zaitsev, Del Zotto, Mete, Coburn

Star players that were given away or traded for horrid returns. Zibanejad, Stone, Duchene, Hoffman,

Irony about Holden is that literally almost every poster on this board said it was a bad deal and I defended him and said it was a good one. You didnt even know and you blindly defend this team. You just said that you wouldnt re sign Zub and that he is overrated but you are defending the pro scouting. Hockey illiterate.

 

[bert]

Lol, he didn’t play at the begin because of a short training camp, and zero exhibition games. no one had seen him play against NHLers.
We have a 1 year window to re-sign him before anyone else.

They played 10 games over 35 days and won 2 of them and waited to put him in. They do actually practice eh. Are you actually defending this? I dont know what the last part is about but I want them to re-sign him probably more than just about anyone on here.

 

[Golden_Jet]

They played 10 games over 35 days and won 2 of them and waited to put him in. They do actually practice eh. Are you actually defending this? I dont know what the last part is about but I want them to re-sign him probably more than just about anyone on here.

I want to re-sign him as well, on July 1, we have a year to do it.

 

[swiftwin]

Additions that were absolutely horrid. Stepan, J Brown, Paquette, Tierney, Gudbranson, Zaitsev, Del Zotto, Mete, Coburn

Star players that were given away or traded for horrid returns. Zibanejad, Stone, Duchene, Hoffman

I'm not sure what your point is here. Literally NONE of the players from the first list were acquired from trading away the players in the 2nd list.

Not only that, but more than half of the players in the top list were either acquired for nothing (Mete, MDZ), or we were given assets to take them (Zaitsev, Coburn, Paquette).

 

[swiftwin]

You just said that you wouldnt re sign Zub and that he is overrated but you are defending the pro scouting. Hockey illiterate.

Lmfao! When and where did I ever say that? You're hallucinating and making up false accusations.

 

[Big Muddy]

To be honest, I would like to see him be a little more varied in the D zone at times. He always swallows the puck on the boards instead of making a quick pass

Nah, I've seen him make many nice passes that demonstrate good vision and grace under pressure. That's one of the first things I noticed about him.

I won't argue with you about this though.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Nah, I've seen him make many nice passes that demonstrate good vision and grace under pressure. That's one of the first things I noticed about him.

I won't argue with you about this though.

No need to argue, I have also seen him make some good plays.

My point however was that he tends to default to swallowing the puck, and almost always does it.

Further to my point was that I would like to see him grow his game a bit more and be less predictable. Use that cold blood to make more varied decisions.

I like Zub a lot, I simply disagreed that he was our second best player.

 

[Boud]

So is Zub a pro scouting acquisition? Just curious.

I like all the attention that Zub gets. He's a solid player. The interesting thing with Zub is that there's nothing spectacular or stand out about him. He's the definition of a better game player than practice player. Virtually every little in game decision is the right decision and because he makes those right decisions the play that follows is usually simple

I think what you just explained speaks volumes about how bad management has been at acquiring good defensemen in the past. Zub and Holden have been head over heals better than what we've had and that's not normal but we appreciate them just that much more considering the last 10 or so years.