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Player Discussion Artem Zub (D) Part 2 [Extended 4 years @ $4.6M]
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Future Salary Planning for the D:
With a salary cap ceiling of $82M and a roster of 20 players, the average salary per player would be $4.1M.
For the 6D, the total could be 6 x $4.1 = $24.6M.
Chabot takes $8M leaving $16.6M for 5 D or an average of $3.32M.
If Zub gets $5M then that leaves $11.6M for 4D leaving $2.9M average for the bottom 4.
If the two 3rd pair D get $1M each, that leaves $9.6M for the 2nd pair or $4.8M each.
I expect that we could pay Zub in the $5M-$6M range for a few years (e.g., 2 to 4) after his current contract expires.
With a salary cap ceiling of $82M and a roster of 20 players, the average salary per player would be $4.1M.
For the 6D, the total could be 6 x $4.1 = $24.6M.
Chabot takes $8M leaving $16.6M for 5 D or an average of $3.32M.
If Zub gets $5M then that leaves $11.6M for 4D leaving $2.9M average for the bottom 4.
If the two 3rd pair D get $1M each, that leaves $9.6M for the 2nd pair or $4.8M each.
I expect that we could pay Zub in the $5M-$6M range for a few years (e.g., 2 to 4) after his current contract expires.
That’s not how it will pan out at all though. We’ll be spending more on D for certain once Sanderson needs his deal, and the cap will go up.
I agree. I know the cap will go up and savings on the average salary per player can be taken from the backup goaltender and the 4th liners to pay others more. Melnyk may still not want to nor be able to afford to pay at the cap ceiling.
My simple approach shows that paying Zub $5M -$6M is doable regardless of comparable player salaries which are a factor to be reckoned with.
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Xspyrit
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This Chabot - Zub pairing is sexy as hell. So fun to watch.
We haven't had this since Karlsson - Methot, and even then Zub is better offensively than MM
Hey I am raising my hand here, just like when I said Balcers would get claimed, just like when I said the Sharks could miss the playoffs and give us a good first, just like when I said Stepan for a 2nd was terrible... etc etc etc. There is things that are pretty easy to see, some less. Just a bit of research/viewing on Zub showed that he could be good if he could just transition/adapt to the NHL well. He absolutely did and he's even better that I thought.
It was stupid to wait 10 games to start playing Zub and DJ even recognized it himself. It was particularly stupid when we had Josh Brown, Erik Gudbranson, Braydon Coburn and Mike Reilly (before he stabilized himself) patrolling our blueline. Just like it was stupid to waive Balcers when we had Cedric Paquette, Alex Galchenyuk, Artem Anisimov and Derek Stepan in our starting lineup
That's why our criticism about decisions is totally legit and should be permitted.
We haven't had this since Karlsson - Methot, and even then Zub is better offensively than MM
Hey I am raising my hand here, just like when I said Balcers would get claimed, just like when I said the Sharks could miss the playoffs and give us a good first, just like when I said Stepan for a 2nd was terrible... etc etc etc. There is things that are pretty easy to see, some less. Just a bit of research/viewing on Zub showed that he could be good if he could just transition/adapt to the NHL well. He absolutely did and he's even better that I thought.
It was stupid to wait 10 games to start playing Zub and DJ even recognized it himself. It was particularly stupid when we had Josh Brown, Erik Gudbranson, Braydon Coburn and Mike Reilly (before he stabilized himself) patrolling our blueline. Just like it was stupid to waive Balcers when we had Cedric Paquette, Alex Galchenyuk, Artem Anisimov and Derek Stepan in our starting lineup
That's why our criticism about decisions is totally legit and should be permitted.
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YouGotAStuGoing
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Need to just sign this guy long term,I like JBD and Thompson as prospects but there are no guarantees they could turn out half as good...
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So awesome that we have to break one of the best pairings in the league because our GM is not capable of identifying who is capable of doing a good or even passable job on defense.
His back is going get injured after carrying whatever plug he shares the ice with when Smith splits him and Chabot up, the poor lad.
Seems like he wanted a two year deal so he can move out of town, my guess is the Sens paid him peanuts because they know he isn’t staying so why bother being nice
Player want two things ,winning team and money....If we are a good team he may stay,providing we pay him what he is worth
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The more money that goes toward the top six players & top pairing D the less money for the other guys. This means they will end up with more guys who are either on their ELC or they will have to bring in cheaper players. And cheap players are J. Brown & Ennis types or AHL players because there won't be enough money to fit everyone under the cap/budget & this will affect how the team plays. This is going to be a constant story here given the allocation of money & who is available & which bottom players they should have gotten.
YouGotAStuGoing
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In a league that's moving more toward high skill over high grit, I fail to see the drawback here. As a budget team, you pay your top of the lineup guys. You don't pay top dollar for middle six grit guys.
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A longer extension comes down to 2 things.
1. Dorion messed up
2. The extension length was part of the original signing deal --- See 1.
1. Dorion messed up
2. The extension length was part of the original signing deal --- See 1.
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I have been hearing this for 10 yrs now how the league is moving in a certain direction & yet there are still fights & most teams have gotten bigger & tougher. Nobody said to pay middle six guys top dollar, what I am saying is to keep the top guys under a certain amount giving you more money to pay better players at the bottom of the roster therefore improving the entire team. Have a better balance between lines & pairs.
So far they have managed to do that with Tkachuk, Chabot & Batherson & hopefully, it will continue with some of the other guys. If you don't have good players at the bottom of the roster, the PK is less successful & the goals against go up. Having better players in those positions improves the team as a whole or you end up with what we have now in those positions AHL players & bubble NHLers.
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How do you guys rate him?
#1 NHL Dman level equivalent? #2, or #3?
Haven’t caught much of the Sens this season.
#1 NHL Dman level equivalent? #2, or #3?
Haven’t caught much of the Sens this season.
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I would say an excellent #4 or a perfect complimentary partner to an elite #1.
He's incredibly calm and poised with the puck, seems to make the perfect simple play every time. Without the puck, again, he just makes it look easy, always in the perfect position, good stick, is able to separate player from puck.
Not overly physical or skilled. Just simple, stable, flawless play. Incredibly smart. Like a machine.
Definitely not a #1 or #2. It's hard to say honestly because for one the team is so bad and we only have 2-3 legit NHL defensemen and we'd need to see more of him with a better supporting cast to definitely determine what he is. For now though with his skillset, I would say he's easily a #4 and potentially a #3 if he can play with linemates (forward and defense) that will allow him to open up the offense. He's one of these guys that fits in well with an offensive partner because he's really solid defensively and can make passes and offensive plays and he can log up pretty big mistake-free minutes. He's a bit like what Methot was to Karlsson but he has more offense and is a bit smaller (Methot was a big dude). I feel like he's a guy that can anchor a pair just by being so steady so I would say his realistic ceiling is #3.
- Very good skater
- Underrated strong
- Great positioning and gap control
- Good vision in the Ozone
- Great hands
- Great active stick
I was trying to think of a NHL comparable and I feel like he's similar to Pesce in the Dzone, both very active with their sticks and great gap control/positioning which is their bread and butter. Not an ideal comparison but I would say he's in that mold.
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“Zaitsev has experience”. Doesn’t mean anything. Maybe your comment was tongue in cheek I really hope Sanderson doesn’t play with him
aragorn
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Unfortunately, it could be his contract that will keep him here & on the roster. They have already said that when healthy the player contracts will determine who stays & who plays. He has two more yrs after this yr & unless they want to move him out & are able to find someone who will take that contract.
I doubt he moves unless maybe they pay out a good pick to have someone take him. Who do you think will take Zaitsev & that contract & if they can't move him what do you think they will do with him? The other option would be to nuy hom out, do you see that happening?
