Player Discussion Artem Zub (D) Part 2 [Extended 4 years @ $4.6M]

[Agent Zuuuub]

What would be considered an overpay for Zub, 6.5/7 million? I know I was very vocal agaisnt the Brady overpay. But how can we hope to replace what Zub brings? for the 25 minutes he is on the ice bad things just dont seem to happen. He stabilizes not just the D core but the entire team.

In the last 10 years we have barely had a top 4 d, and now that we finally have two top pair talents and a defence that can be built towards being the best, do we jeopardize that by allowing him to walk?

Chabot
Zub
Sanderson

can be championship level.

 

[DaveMatthew]

What would be considered an overpay for Zub, 6.5/7 million? I know I was very vocal agaisnt the Brady overpay. But how can we hope to replace what Zub brings? for the 25 minutes he is on the ice bad things just dont seem to happen. He stabilizes not just the D core but the entire team.

In the last 10 years we have barely had a top 4 d, and now that we finally have two top pair talents and a defence that can be built towards being the best, do we jeopardize that by allowing him to walk?

Chabot
Zub
Sanderson

can be championship level.

Zub's offensive numbers will likely never warrant a $6M+ payday.

I'd say the comparable at the top end would be Ryan Pulock (8x$6.15M) and at the bottom end, Jamie Oleksiak (5x$4.6M).

So I'd offer him 6x$5.25M tomorrow.

 

[Crosside]

What would be considered an overpay for Zub, 6.5/7 million? I know I was very vocal agaisnt the Brady overpay. But how can we hope to replace what Zub brings? for the 25 minutes he is on the ice bad things just dont seem to happen. He stabilizes not just the D core but the entire team.

In the last 10 years we have barely had a top 4 d, and now that we finally have two top pair talents and a defence that can be built towards being the best, do we jeopardize that by allowing him to walk?

Chabot
Zub
Sanderson

can be championship level.

Try if he want 4.8 - 5.2 m first . If not I probably go 6.5 m for 4 or 5 max

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Zub's offensive numbers will likely never warrant a $6M+ payday.

I'd say the comparable at the top end would be Ryan Pulock (8x$6.15M) and at the bottom end, Jamie Oleksiak (5x$4.6M).

So I'd offer him 6x$5.5M tomorrow.

yes but if it comes to an overpay? do we risk losing him and all the stability he brings?

 

[DueDiligence]

Yeah, if you're signing a guy at 28 to an 8 year package, but a young guy like this? We could have gone long IMO. But hey, as long as we sign him next off season, I don't care.

Zub is 26. Not that young.

 

[Boud]

Zub's offensive numbers will likely never warrant a $6M+ payday.

I'd say the comparable at the top end would be Ryan Pulock (8x$6.15M) and at the bottom end, Jamie Oleksiak (5x$4.6M).

So I'd offer him 6x$5.25M tomorrow.

I think if they keep him on the top pair and continue giving him PP time he could end up having similar production and impact to Ekholm in Nashville. He doesn't have the name recognition yet but their quality of play is similar.

 

[BurgoShark]

For a comparable…

Marc Methot signed a 4 year deal @ $4.9 per, 4 months out from his 30th birthday. This was 6.86% of the cap.

When his contract expires Zub will be 4 months out from his 28th birthday. Assuming a small rise in the salary cap an equivalent deal for Zub would be an AAv of $5.5-5.7m. You could go longer on the term (6 years) though because you are getting him younger, this saving some AAv. Maybe split the difference on the years - so something like 5 x 5 would be good value for the team.

That’s assuming in 2 years that he is seen in the same light as Methot was circa 2014/15.

 

[bert]

Zub's offensive numbers will likely never warrant a $6M+ payday.

I'd say the comparable at the top end would be Ryan Pulock (8x$6.15M) and at the bottom end, Jamie Oleksiak (5x$4.6M).

So I'd offer him 6x$5.25M tomorrow.

Pelech and Pulock just got paid and they don't score a ton. He is going to get 6 million minimum and it will be worth it.

Zub is 26. Not that young.

That's young.... Good d men play well into their 30's.

6 x 8 is what it's gonna take and it's well worth it.

 

[JD1]

Pelech and Pulock just got paid and they don't score a ton. He is going to get 6 million minimum and it will be worth it.

That's young.... Good d men play well into their 30's.

6 x 8 is what it's gonna take and it's well worth it.

Is that 6 years at 8 or 8 years at 6?

 

[DJB]

Zub is 26. Not that young.

I'm 36.

Guess I'm known as Gramps now.

 

[bert]

Is that 6 years at 8 or 8 years at 6?

6 million for 8 years. If the sens wanna go shorter term likely costs more AAV.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Simply No way we can afford to lose him.

 

[DueDiligence]

I'm 36.

Guess I'm known as Gramps now.

In real life you are a "youngin" ; but in the NHL you would be Gramps!

 

[Laphroaig]

I think we know what we've got in Zub by now. He an essential core piece and needs to be locked up long term.

 

[Crosside]

I m told Dorion want Zub 3 years but the agent of Zub don’t want to go more than 2 years

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Pelech and Pulock just got paid and they don't score a ton. He is going to get 6 million minimum and it will be worth it.

That's young.... Good d men play well into their 30's.

6 x 8 is what it's gonna take and it's well worth it.

Pulock & Pelech signed pretty inexpensive deals... 6.15m & 5.75m. Pulock had a bit of a down year offensively, but he hit 30+ points the previous 2 years. I'd be happy paying Zub in that range but imo both guys took discounts.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I m told Dorion want Zub 3 years but the agent of Zub don’t want to go more than 2 years

It depends on what the salary was. if they were offering only 2.5 why would Zub agree to that?

Would have been interesting to know what they would have said to a 4/4 or a 3/4.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I m told Dorion want Zub 3 years but the agent of Zub don’t want to go more than 2 years

who told you that?
Why did Dorion agree to that immediately? They barely had time to have that conversation.

 

[Crosside]

Kevin, have not talk about the number offert but I guess Dorion offer 3 x 3 and Zub agent want 2 max to see if can uprise his value

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

wow what an assist on the Norris goal. As well as the send to Formenton.

Someone mentioned that he was the best passer on the Senators and I have to agree. So smart and is able to open up so much space with the deftest of passes. his pass percentage must be the best on the team by far.

If he gets regular powerplay time I can see him hit the 35-40 points mark.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Kevin, have not talk about the number offert but I guess Dorion offer 3 x 3 and Zub agent want 2 max to see if can uprise his value

Just stop with the Kevin. PLEASE! It's not real.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I wish they had signed him to a long term deal (captain obvious). Especially if they were going to pair him with Chabot. Could have had a steal. If he plays two seasons with Chabby he will be a rich man. Not sure we'll be able to afford him.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

I hope Zub gets everything he's worth. "The meek shall inherent the earth."

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Just stop with the Kevin. PLEASE! It's not real.

They signed Zub like a minute after the exit meetings. He had oodles of time .. if he wanted to negotiate a longer deal. The problem with Kevin is he makes no sense

 

[Kshahdoo]

Let's see how good he'll be at the Olympics...