Arrest over Johnson death / released within 24 hours, investigation remains open

[TrufleShufle]

There’s a reason you’re not allowed to slow down videos in a court room. It completely skews what actually happened.

That makes sense, because it is reallllllly hard not to be skewed by that slo-mo.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Matt Petgrave also leads the league in penalty minutes and was suspended for using his stick as a weapon and abusing officials.



there is a video of him using his skate to take out another player. This guy is a legitimate threat to people's lives every time he steps on the ice and is a head case. Should never play hockey again.

Pat Maroon also led the NHL in PIM. Tkachuck has been near the top. Are they a danger to everyone on the ice as well?

 

[shakes the clown]

saw the video. That is 100% manslaughter and I can even see an argument for murder. Disgusting act and that player should never see the ice again assuming they let him out of jail at some point.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Matt Petgrave also leads the league in penalty minutes and was suspended for using his stick as a weapon and abusing officials.



there is a video of him using his skate to take out another player. This guy is a legitimate threat to people's lives every time he steps on the ice and is a head case. Should never play hockey again.

Wow, that's basically the same maneuever. I don't know how anyone can watch this and think it was just a coincidence. Regardless of the criminal charges, this is a human that should never be allowed to have a sharp blade attached to his feet, he clearly had little regard for the other individuals on the ice.

 

[TLEH]

Bertuzzi is more guilty than this guy.

 

[ZDH]

*refuses to watch video*

"I agree/disagree"

 

[The Burdened]

It is the right call 100%. He didn't mean to kill him, but a man was killed because of his recklessness. That is why we have manslaughter. He shouldn't rot away or anything crazy like that.

In the hands of due process now.

 

[Channelcat]

It's probably the most reckless, dangerous act I've ever seen in my life.

 

[dalewood12]

Let's say, hypothetically, this tragedy happens on North American ice. Does the player get charged?

It seems like unfamiliarity with ice hockey and the risks involved with the sport could be driving the charges.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

Pat Maroon also led the NHL in PIM. Tkachuck has been near the top. Are they a danger to everyone on the ice as well?

Does Maroon or Thachuck have a history of checking people with there leg?

 

[shakes the clown]

I dunno how people can say that was an accident. I mean in no way shape or for did he intend to kill johnson, but he definitely was head hunting. Very unfortunate outcome. And said player will never be the same going forward. 2 lives basically wasted

You can't in one sentence say that the defendant had 'in no way shape or form an intent to kill" and then in the next sentence acknowledge that he went head hunting with his skate blade. Those two thoughts are diametrically opposed.

If someone walks around a crowded subway car swinging a knife back and forth would you say he didn't have the intent to kill? I sure wouldn't. Killing someone is a very forseeable outcome in that scenario. Same with this situation. Going after a guy's head wtih your skate blade could easily lead to the outcome that happened.

 

[Ail]

Matt Petgrave also leads the league in penalty minutes and was suspended for using his stick as a weapon and abusing officials.



there is a video of him using his skate to take out another player. This guy is a legitimate threat to people's lives every time he steps on the ice and is a head case. Should never play hockey again.

Hope he rots in jail, scumbag.

 

[Strangle]

" I need to address something about the accident," Johnson's teammate posted on X, formerly Twitter. "We wholeheartedly stand with Matt Petgrave. The hate that Matt is receiving is terrible and completely uncalled for.

"I was at the ice level on the bench closest to the accident, I saw both players moving fast. The unintentional clip of the Panther player's leg by the Sheffield player caused the somersault.

"It's clear to me his actions were unintentional, and anyone suggesting otherwise is mistaken, Let's come together and not spread unwarranted hate to someone who needs our support."

Guess the people who were actually there are idiots and not you at home making dumb ass comments.



It's part of UK due diligence genius, they can arrest to question him it doesn't mean he's guilty. Someone died, it's part of the process but hey using your brain is hard.

This is absolutely plausible, but not clear from the video at all unfortunately.

Would be nice if it were like debrusk knee on knee on Kadri and you can tell that’s why kadris skates were up around his shoulders in mid-air

 

[thestonedkoala]

I hadn't seen that clip before.

What the hell is he doing? Keep your skates on the ice. He literally spin kicks the guys legs out from under him in that clip.

He realizes he's going to miss the check, and so lifts his leg and kicks the guy to get a piece.

That clip is pretty damning to me.

Why did they not call a penalty or suspend him for this? At the very least it's a two minute tripping or obstruction.

 

[Fitzy]

I'm not a legal expert, but I don't see why "It happened during the run of play" matters that much re-legal consequences.

Does it make intent much much harder to prove past a reasonable doubt? Absolutely.

Does it mean a crime literally cannot be committed during the play of a game? I think not.

It isn't what happened here obviously, but if a goalie was down on the ice and a player curb stomped them intentionally on the neck with a skate and killed them, there should be legal recourse.

So I don't buy this absolutist argument that games can't have crimes.

 

[LeProspector]

He very obviously swung his leg with the intention of making contact. He deserves to be charged.

Disagree. It looks like he lost his balance while trying to set a pick on the other defender, trying to lean on him and he was trying not to fall, and the incident happened.

 

[OG Eberle]

Pat Maroon also led the NHL in PIM. Tkachuck has been near the top. Are they a danger to everyone on the ice as well?

What you're doing is the definition of moving the goal posts. Bit odd given the brevity of the situation.

No one is saying "high PIM players are menaces to life/health".

The fact you latched onto that vs previously "using a stick as a weapon" and "history of kicking others with his skate" out of the 3 sentences he wrote shows you probablty don't intend to have a constructive discussion here.

 

[Miller Time]

Sad all around...

Hopefully this forces the NHL to take a long hard look at fighting.

Just a matter of time before someone dies from a hockey fight. Considering how often fights end up with a few extra shots or a guy intentionally slamming his opponents head into the ice, manslaughter charges could easily follow.

Long past time to remove this unecessary aspect from the game

 

[Derailed75]

It is the right call 100%. He didn't mean to kill him, but a man was killed because of his recklessness. That is why we have manslaughter. He shouldn't rot away or anything crazy like that.

In the hands of due process now.

I dont see that at all. His left skate clicks skates with the other teams player this twists his body. His right foot is off the ice instride, the skate being a weight at this point moves with the force of his twist.

He was making contact with the other player and I just don't see how anyone could think he would even know Johnson was going to be behind him. So even if he in fact kicked his leg out it was to try and control his spin not hit someone.

 

[J bo Jeans]

" I need to address something about the accident," Johnson's teammate posted on X, formerly Twitter. "We wholeheartedly stand with Matt Petgrave. The hate that Matt is receiving is terrible and completely uncalled for.

"I was at the ice level on the bench closest to the accident, I saw both players moving fast. The unintentional clip of the Panther player's leg by the Sheffield player caused the somersault.

"It's clear to me his actions were unintentional, and anyone suggesting otherwise is mistaken, Let's come together and not spread unwarranted hate to someone who needs our support."

Guess the people who were actually there are idiots and not you at home making dumb ass comments.



It's part of UK due diligence genius, they can arrest to question him it doesn't mean he's guilty. Someone died, it's part of the process but hey using your brain is hard.

Yep. But for many posters here that doesnt matter. They look at the video and intentionally leave out the part where the white players skate and Petgraves collide right before he takes flight.

They think from one blurry overhead camera angle that they can without a doubt determine his intent and shut the case closed as manslaughter. Ridiculous.

 

[Your Boy Troy]

I'm of the opinion that it was a freak accident, but let's not pretend that there haven't been former professional players who have stated that this was an event that either had malicious intent or, at the very least, was reckless.

There's nothing to indicate that this was premeditated in any way. It looked like a defenseman who was intent on making contact with a big hit around the blueline, but unfortunately, had his skate clipped by a teammate, which caused the blade of his skate to be as high as where it was. I can see why so many people would believe that this was a deliberate act by watching the video. That being said, the game of hockey is played at such a fast pace that hits and a freak accident like this can look calculated. That's just my perspective of what happened.

 

[Mirka the Turka]

Disagree. It looks like he lost his balance while trying to set a pick on the other defender, trying to lean on him and he was trying not to fall, and the incident happened.

Except your leg would not be moving in a kung-fu motion when you lose balance. At best your leg would reach hip level before going down.

 

[thaman8765678]

When you lose your balance, have you ever kicked your leg up 6' into the air? It is wreckless.

 

[BE Friend]

Refuse to watch the clip, too distressing. Will be a fascinating process. His history might come back to haunt him.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

Except your leg would not be moving in a kung-fu motion when you lose balance. At best your leg would reach hip level before going down.

How many video compilations have to be posted of peoples' skates going in wild, "reckless" directions when falling (including the Richard Zednik incident) before you guys give this shit up