TrufleShufle
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That makes sense, because it is reallllllly hard not to be skewed by that slo-mo.
Arrest over Johnson death / released within 24 hours, investigation remains open
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Pat Maroon also led the NHL in PIM. Tkachuck has been near the top. Are they a danger to everyone on the ice as well?
saw the video. That is 100% manslaughter and I can even see an argument for murder. Disgusting act and that player should never see the ice again assuming they let him out of jail at some point.
WarriorofTime
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Wow, that's basically the same maneuever. I don't know how anyone can watch this and think it was just a coincidence. Regardless of the criminal charges, this is a human that should never be allowed to have a sharp blade attached to his feet, he clearly had little regard for the other individuals on the ice.
TLEH
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It is the right call 100%. He didn't mean to kill him, but a man was killed because of his recklessness. That is why we have manslaughter. He shouldn't rot away or anything crazy like that.
In the hands of due process now.
In the hands of due process now.
Channelcat
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It's probably the most reckless, dangerous act I've ever seen in my life.
Let's say, hypothetically, this tragedy happens on North American ice. Does the player get charged?
It seems like unfamiliarity with ice hockey and the risks involved with the sport could be driving the charges.
It seems like unfamiliarity with ice hockey and the risks involved with the sport could be driving the charges.
CaliSabresfan24
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Does Maroon or Thachuck have a history of checking people with there leg?
You can't in one sentence say that the defendant had 'in no way shape or form an intent to kill" and then in the next sentence acknowledge that he went head hunting with his skate blade. Those two thoughts are diametrically opposed.
If someone walks around a crowded subway car swinging a knife back and forth would you say he didn't have the intent to kill? I sure wouldn't. Killing someone is a very forseeable outcome in that scenario. Same with this situation. Going after a guy's head wtih your skate blade could easily lead to the outcome that happened.
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Hope he rots in jail, scumbag.
Strangle
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This is absolutely plausible, but not clear from the video at all unfortunately.
Would be nice if it were like debrusk knee on knee on Kadri and you can tell that’s why kadris skates were up around his shoulders in mid-air
Why did they not call a penalty or suspend him for this? At the very least it's a two minute tripping or obstruction.
Fitzy
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I'm not a legal expert, but I don't see why "It happened during the run of play" matters that much re-legal consequences.
Does it make intent much much harder to prove past a reasonable doubt? Absolutely.
Does it mean a crime literally cannot be committed during the play of a game? I think not.
It isn't what happened here obviously, but if a goalie was down on the ice and a player curb stomped them intentionally on the neck with a skate and killed them, there should be legal recourse.
So I don't buy this absolutist argument that games can't have crimes.
Does it make intent much much harder to prove past a reasonable doubt? Absolutely.
Does it mean a crime literally cannot be committed during the play of a game? I think not.
It isn't what happened here obviously, but if a goalie was down on the ice and a player curb stomped them intentionally on the neck with a skate and killed them, there should be legal recourse.
So I don't buy this absolutist argument that games can't have crimes.
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Disagree. It looks like he lost his balance while trying to set a pick on the other defender, trying to lean on him and he was trying not to fall, and the incident happened.
OG Eberle
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What you're doing is the definition of moving the goal posts. Bit odd given the brevity of the situation.
No one is saying "high PIM players are menaces to life/health".
The fact you latched onto that vs previously "using a stick as a weapon" and "history of kicking others with his skate" out of the 3 sentences he wrote shows you probablty don't intend to have a constructive discussion here.
Sad all around...
Hopefully this forces the NHL to take a long hard look at fighting.
Just a matter of time before someone dies from a hockey fight. Considering how often fights end up with a few extra shots or a guy intentionally slamming his opponents head into the ice, manslaughter charges could easily follow.
Long past time to remove this unecessary aspect from the game
Hopefully this forces the NHL to take a long hard look at fighting.
Just a matter of time before someone dies from a hockey fight. Considering how often fights end up with a few extra shots or a guy intentionally slamming his opponents head into the ice, manslaughter charges could easily follow.
Long past time to remove this unecessary aspect from the game
Derailed75
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I dont see that at all. His left skate clicks skates with the other teams player this twists his body. His right foot is off the ice instride, the skate being a weight at this point moves with the force of his twist.
He was making contact with the other player and I just don't see how anyone could think he would even know Johnson was going to be behind him. So even if he in fact kicked his leg out it was to try and control his spin not hit someone.
Yep. But for many posters here that doesnt matter. They look at the video and intentionally leave out the part where the white players skate and Petgraves collide right before he takes flight.
They think from one blurry overhead camera angle that they can without a doubt determine his intent and shut the case closed as manslaughter. Ridiculous.
Your Boy Troy
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I'm of the opinion that it was a freak accident, but let's not pretend that there haven't been former professional players who have stated that this was an event that either had malicious intent or, at the very least, was reckless.
There's nothing to indicate that this was premeditated in any way. It looked like a defenseman who was intent on making contact with a big hit around the blueline, but unfortunately, had his skate clipped by a teammate, which caused the blade of his skate to be as high as where it was. I can see why so many people would believe that this was a deliberate act by watching the video. That being said, the game of hockey is played at such a fast pace that hits and a freak accident like this can look calculated. That's just my perspective of what happened.
There's nothing to indicate that this was premeditated in any way. It looked like a defenseman who was intent on making contact with a big hit around the blueline, but unfortunately, had his skate clipped by a teammate, which caused the blade of his skate to be as high as where it was. I can see why so many people would believe that this was a deliberate act by watching the video. That being said, the game of hockey is played at such a fast pace that hits and a freak accident like this can look calculated. That's just my perspective of what happened.
Mirka the Turka
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Except your leg would not be moving in a kung-fu motion when you lose balance. At best your leg would reach hip level before going down.
When you lose your balance, have you ever kicked your leg up 6' into the air? It is wreckless.
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How many video compilations have to be posted of peoples' skates going in wild, "reckless" directions when falling (including the Richard Zednik incident) before you guys give this shit up
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