Arrest over Johnson death / released within 24 hours, investigation remains open

[WcRoenick97]

That was an intentional leg kick. He probably didn’t mean to kill him but that’s manslaughter. I’m sure drunk drivers don’t intend to kill anyone when they get behind the wheel either.

 

[andora]

Please

The concept of intentional has two issues - to kick and to kill. Dont mix them up. You can have one without the other, both or neither

I am very thankful i do not have to make a decisiom on this

 

[Darren McCord]

A lot more nuance to this than that. Can't compare hockey to driving a car.

If a guy crosschecks a guys head into the ice while down and he suffers a freak accident and dies, is the guy who cross checked deserve to get arrested?

It was a freak accident.

Crosschecking to the head is illegal in the league. If you crosscheck a guy in the head harder enough that he dies, then yes you deserve to be arrested.

 

[hangman005]

can someone post the video so we can judge if there was an intentional kick or not?

Not here they can't.

 

[Bond]

I am actually pretty surprised they arrested him. I wonder if he gets some funding from the NHLPA or something. I don't think they want a precedent that an on ice incident can lead to a murder charge.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Killing a man was the accidental part. I don't believe kicking his leg out was an accident.

So, when you kick your leg out and someone dies accidentally from that, that''s manslaughter. Seems like an okay arrest to me.

If that's the case, then every first punch thrown in a fight is assault.

 

[Zerotonine]

I dunno how people can say that was an accident. I mean in no way shape or for did he intend to kill johnson, but he definitely was head hunting. Very unfortunate outcome. And said player will never be the same going forward. 2 lives basically wasted

 

[MOGlLNY]

A lot more nuance to this than that. Can't compare hockey to driving a car.

If a guy crosschecks a guys head into the ice while down and he suffers a freak accident and dies, is the guy who cross checked deserve to get arrested?

It was a freak accident.

Kicking is a massive taboo in hockey, which is undeniable that he did. Obviously didn’t mean to go for the neck. I clearly don’t think he meant to kill him. But he acted recklessly and caused the death of another person.

I think it’s the right decision as sad as it is.

 

[Summer Rose]

Well that is unfortunate.

 

[MOGlLNY]

If that's the case, then every first punch thrown in a fight is assault.

In the US, yeah it literally is if the person wants to press charges.

 

[Sheppy]

can someone post the video so we can judge if there was an intentional kick or not?

It's easy to find. Don't need it posted on here.

 

[WcRoenick97]

McSorley got charged with assault and was convicted on his attack on Brashear and rightfully so. Thankfully not too many people are intentionally trying to kick a player with a skate.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Manslaughter in the UK is without intent to kill.

I think it’s more if he intended to kick at all in the first place, which I don’t see at all

 

[Three On Zero]

100% ok with this, actually wouldn’t mind a conviction as it would deter others from doing such wreckless things going forward

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

Ridiculous lmao. Negative IQ for anyone who thinks this intentional. You saw it in his face after he was distraught. Legs come up far more often than you think. No video at all shows an attempted kick.

The arrest on suspicion of manslaughter means the case wouldn't be about intent. If you unintentionally kill someone, that's what manslaughter would mean here in the UK.

You can be charged with manslaughter if you start a fight, hit someone and they die. There would be no intention to kill but your actions created a situation where the person did. Not quite the same as this but just using it to make the point.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Been playing, reffing, and watching hockey for over 30 years and I've never seen a player have such force with his skate directed towards an opponent. I don't care to watch the video again but when I saw it I thought to myself that I'd never seen anything remotely like that and it seemed like he deliberately launched his leg at him. Did he mean to cut him, and specifically did he mean to cut his neck? I think the answer is likely absolutely not but there was something very mechanical and unnatural about the way his skate impacted Adam Johnson and having charges filed doesn't surprise me. It's also hard to separate the fact that this guy allegedly has a history of injuring opponents and being dirty.

Again, I don't think he meant to seriously injure or kill the guy but I do think he meant to obstruct him and it went terribly wrong.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

This is absolutely ridiculous and will go nowhere.

 

[TrufleShufle]

If that's the case, then every first punch thrown in a fight is assault.

I get what you are saying but in hockey fighting is "allowed," obviously it's penalized but it is allowed to go if two people agree. Kicking is automatically against the rules, two people can't agree to start kicking each other.

But IRL, you are absolutely right, every first punch is assault.

 

[J bo Jeans]

Kicking is a massive taboo in hockey, which is undeniable that he did. Obviously didn’t mean to go for the neck. I clearly don’t think he meant to kill him. But he acted recklessly and caused the death of another person.

I think it’s the right decision as sad as it is.

Undeniably?? Come on man you can make that from that blurry video. Undeniably is ridiculous.

 

[Channelcat]

Need more details, but on the surface, that's not a good thing, arresting people for sports accidents, unless there's video of the guy intentionally kicking at Johnson.......

There is.

 

[Strangle]

Different country so hard for me to speak in absolutes. Seems pretty insane to get arrested for a freak accident.

I agree,

So this must kind of suggest that it may not have been entirely a ‘freak’ accident.

Maybe a negligent one, which come with consequences

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

I think it’s more if he intended to kick at all in the first place, which I don’t see at all

That'll be the questions he'll need to answer for sure and the evidence and his statement will be reviewed by the Crown Prosecution Service.

Grim stuff all round.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

I get what you are saying but in hockey fighting is "allowed," obviously it's penalized but it is allowed to go if two people agree. Kicking is automatically against the rules, two people can't agree to start kicking each other.

But IRL, you are absolutely right, every first punch is assault.

Uh fighting is against the rules too

 

[Leonardo87]

Please do not post videos of the incident. Thank you!

 

[Parax]

Unless UK law is much different, arrested under suspicion is vastly different from charged. This just means the police are talking to him and haven't yet determined if a crime occurred. Given the outcome this was pretty inevitable.