Around the NHL - Part XXXVII

[LokiDog]

The question is rhetorical, but still…

Why does Matt Boldy have 7g, 7a, 14 points in 13 games and Kaapo has 5g and 14 points in 37 games?

 

[tlk]

Man.

Zucc with 46 pts in 38 games. Claps.

Minnie take a nosedive and don't make the postseason, we trade for Z.

Anyway, one Pavel B. - 8 years younger, 38p in 40, (out of position if it even matters for him), has learned to play physical, does PP and PK.

Instead we're in a sort of a local rebuild on the RW. I mean when KK finally comes good, what else is there? With Sammy is a proven crock, Krav after all is likely not to play here again... Trade for another quality RW? Then why the heck trade them away in the first place?

 

[Brief Candle]

Minnie take a nosedive and don't make the postseason, we trade for Z.

From you... keyboard to god's ears. Should have never let him go.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

The question is rhetorical, but still…

Why does Matt Boldy have 7g, 7a, 14 points in 13 games and Kaapo has 5g and 14 points in 37 games?

Its frustrating, head scratching

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

The question is rhetorical, but still…

Why does Matt Boldy have 7g, 7a, 14 points in 13 games and Kaapo has 5g and 14 points in 37 games?

Deep-seeded organizational problems that most of this board has failed to acknowledge for years now.

 

[DialUp]

Its frustrating, head scratching

Yes, of course. But instead we develop (or at least don't fck up) stud goalies, elite and GOOD long time NHL d-men, pretty good bottom sixers, PPG first liners like Buch, 30 yr old possible rocket candidates...

Saying all that, it STILL ISN'T enough for us to be great.

 

[Leonardo87]

Its frustrating, head scratching

These organizations rely mostly on the draft to develop players into their full potentials. They don’t attract free agents like other teams like the Rangers do. Rangers are more about making big trades and signing big UFA’s like Panarin to speed up a rebuild and developing of kids will be heavily impacted when you have big free agents or big trade pieces taking up their mins at ES and on the PP.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

The question is rhetorical, but still…

Why does Matt Boldy have 7g, 7a, 14 points in 13 games and Kaapo has 5g and 14 points in 37 games?

Because literally everyone from the 2019 draft is better than him

 

[TheDirtyH]

all three of those goals were of the high skill variety. really nice goals. The first goal was really nice. In the high danger area showing Patience then nice shot. I just don't get it man. I think Kakko had a few pretty goals last year. I think...

2 on the first PP unit...

The question is rhetorical, but still…

Why does Matt Boldy have 7g, 7a, 14 points in 13 games and Kaapo has 5g and 14 points in 37 games?

Same story all over again. Clear plan put in place by Minnesota, explicit vision for the kid, his timeline, and what kinds of opportunities he needs to reps in thrive.

(Doesn't hurt that Boldy's shooting 11% higher than expected personally, and rocking an on-ice SH% above 12%.)

 

[TheDirtyH]

Because literally everyone from the 2019 draft is better than him

Except Karl Henriksson

 

[McRanger92]

The question is rhetorical, but still…

Why does Matt Boldy have 7g, 7a, 14 points in 13 games and Kaapo has 5g and 14 points in 37 games?

Boldy plays on the top PP for Minny. Also Kakko is allergic to getting shots on goal

 

[effen]

The question is rhetorical, but still…

Why does Matt Boldy have 7g, 7a, 14 points in 13 games and Kaapo has 5g and 14 points in 37 games?

Because he has skating ability, positional awareness, shooting ability, and anticipation Kakko doesn't.

The ways a very young player can make an impact in this game are those 4 (you can sub playmaking for shooting if you want). They all also wear down over years of physical toll other than anticipation. Kakko may well be a better player 5, 7, or 10 years from now when both are mature.

Those have ~nothing to do with being on PP1. He's on PP1 because of those things.

Or its organizational evil voodoo and mind control from David Quinn.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Because he has skating ability, positional awareness, shooting ability, and anticipation Kakko doesn't.

The ways a very young player can make an impact in this game are those 4 (you can sub playmaking for shooting if you want). They all also wear down over years of physical toll other than anticipation. Kakko may well be a better player 5, 7, or 10 years from now when both are mature.

Those have ~nothing to do with being on PP1. He's on PP1 because of those things.

Or its organizational evil voodoo and mind control from David Quinn.

Bill Guerin has gone on record several times saying that Boldy wouldn't be in the NHL unless a) they had a top six role available for him and b) he proved beyond a doubt he was ready for the role. Boldy was in college and the AHL playing huge minutes while Kakko was learning how to be Jesper Fast in the NHL.

IDK how many times it has to be said but Kakko was very good on the Powerplay as a rookie. Better than Strome on the first unit.

 

[LokiDog]

Boldy plays on the top PP for Minny. Also Kakko is allergic to getting shots on goal

Sure, but a) It’s not as if Kakko hasn’t played with Panarin or good players and b) did Boldy start on PP1 or impress his way onto it? And does it matter when he has 14 points in 13 NHL games and Kakko has played over 150 NHL games. I’m not saying it’s on Kakko, but it’s definitely damning overall.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Man.

Zucc with 46 pts in 38 games. Claps.

Kaprizov saved his career.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Bill Guerin has gone on record several times saying that Boldy wouldn't be in the NHL unless a) they had a top six role available for him and b) he proved beyond a doubt he was ready for the role. Boldy was in college and the AHL playing huge minutes while Kakko was learning how to be Jesper Fast in the NHL.

IDK how many times it has to be said but Kakko was very good on the Powerplay as a rookie. Better than Strome on the first unit.

Strome is consistently the weak link on PP1. Panarin must be shilling for him.

 

[effen]

Bill Guerin has gone on record several times saying that Boldy wouldn't be in the NHL unless a) they had a top six role available for him and b) he proved beyond a doubt he was ready for the role. Boldy was in college and the AHL playing huge minutes while Kakko was learning how to be Jesper Fast in the NHL.

IDK how many times it has to be said but Kakko was very good on the Powerplay as a rookie. Better than Strome on the first unit.

Oh ok it's organizational voodoo that has made Kakko unable to rip a wrister from the circles because when you're taught defense you completely forget how to skate into space to receive a pass in scoring position.

Kakko had a top six role gifted to him his rookie year and played his way off it several times.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

I think the narrative that these young players coming in have a skill set more conducive to the NHL is complete mental gymnastics. We’re seeing small and fast players succeed, big and slow, perimeter players, power forwards etc. The notion that they all have something that Kakko and Laf don’t is just BS. Lafreniere in particular skates, shoots, stick handles and thinks the game better than nearly all of them.

It completely comes down to the way they’re being handled by their respective organizations. The Rangers as an organization are completely clueless in this respect. Brett Howden didn’t just magically work out all of his issues in the off-season. He moved to a team that has a proper understanding of how to handle young players.

What’s disappointing is that we’ll continue to fail to draft and develop forwards and people will continue to find excuses that it isn’t the organization’s fault.

 

[duhmetreE]

The question is rhetorical, but still…

Why does Matt Boldy have 7g, 7a, 14 points in 13 games and Kaapo has 5g and 14 points in 37 games?

BUT how is his defense? That's the important question and barometer of a top picks success

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Bruce Boudreau and his players.

 

[effen]

I think the narrative that these young players coming in have a skill set more conducive to the NHL is complete mental gymnastics. We’re seeing small and fast players succeed, big and slow, perimeter players, power forwards etc. The notion that they all have something that Kakko and Laf don’t is just BS. Lafreniere in particular skates, shoots, stick handles and thinks the game better than nearly all of them.

It completely comes down to the way they’re being handled by their respective organizations. The Rangers as an organization are completely clueless in this respect. Brett Howden didn’t just magically work out all of his issues in the off-season. He moved to a team that has a proper understanding of how to handle young players.

What’s disappointing is that we’ll continue to fail to draft and develop forwards and people will continue to find excuses that it isn’t the organization’s fault.

This is some weird ass gaslighting reminiscent of half the forum arguing with me that no, in fact, Lias Andersson's skating wasn't a problem and the Rangers weren't playing him with skilled enough linemates.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Oh ok it's organizational voodoo that has made Kakko unable to rip a wrister from the circles because when you're taught defense you completely forget how to skate into space to receive a pass in scoring position.

Kakko had a top six role gifted to him his rookie year and played his way off it several times.

This is some weird ass gaslighting reminiscent of half the forum arguing with me that no, in fact, Lias Andersson's skating wasn't a problem and the Rangers weren't playing him with skilled enough linemates.

I think a better example of gaslighting is quoting someone and summarizing their talking points as "organizational voodoo"..

Please, lord and keeper of all that is undeniable true, knowable, and obvious: show me the the scouting reports about Kakkos clear inability to rip a wrister from the circles. Please enlighten me how Kakko playing well on the top power play unit and his linemates at 5v5 are the same thing.

All I've ever put out here are spaces for further thought and consideration. I've never made any claims that Kakko is better than anyone in his draft class or has outplayed his usage (except on the PP, but you don't want to talk about that apparently). That's just how I approach things and like to converse. But if you feel I'm telling you how to think or shoving koolaid down your throat by all means, don't respond to me

 

[effen]

I think a better example of gaslighting is quoting someone and summarizing their talking points as "organizational voodoo"..

Please, lord and keeper of all that is undeniable true, knowable, and obvious: show me the the scouting reports about Kakkos clear inability to rip a wrister from the circles. Please enlighten me how Kakko playing well on the top power play unit and his linemates at 5v5 are the same thing.

All I've ever put out here are spaces for further thought and consideration. I've never made any claims that Kakko is better than anyone in his draft class or has outplayed his usage (except on the PP, but you don't want to talk about that apparently). That's just how I approach things and like to converse. But if you feel I'm telling you how to think or shoving koolaid down your throat by all means, don't respond to me

You should look who responded to who first. I made points about why Boldy is ahead of Kakko right now (he's better at stuff that helps you score and play up immediately vs much longer term stuff Kakkos game seems geared to). Your post very clearly implied Boldy developed traditionally while the Rangers made a mistake forcing Kakko to be Jesper Fast (???) while not addressing Kakko's responsibility in not doing fairly simple offensive hockey things he should not need to be coached to do.

I watched basically every game of Kakko's rookie year and I remember very little of it being him a PP crusher. I do remember him being very outmatched basically all the time. That the PP performed better when he was on it over Strome is very likely just statistical noise with a healthy dose of Strome sniffing his farts a lot with overpassing. I very strongly believe it's not because Kakko was a superior PP player that year.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

This is some weird ass gaslighting reminiscent of half the forum arguing with me that no, in fact, Lias Andersson's skating wasn't a problem and the Rangers weren't playing him with skilled enough linemates.

Lias Andersson’s skating is/was a problem. But that is only one part of the reason why he didn’t succeed.

You act like every young player that makes it to the NHL is a total burner. There are plenty of young guys that have just as suspect skating as Andersson. They still succeed.

Laf, Kakko, Krav, Andersson all have entirely different skill sets. Why did none of them work out?

Why did Brett Howden go from arguably the worst player in the NHL to a solid third liner? Please don’t tell me his skill set matches Vegas better. That’s not the reason.

 

[effen]

Lias Andersson’s skating is/was a problem. But that is only one part of the reason why he didn’t succeed.

You act like every young player that makes it to the NHL is a total burner. There are plenty of young guys that have just as suspect skating as Andersson. They still succeed.

Laf, Kakko, Krav, Andersson all have entirely different skill sets. Why did none of them work out?

Why did Brett Howden go from arguably the worst player in the NHL to a solid third liner? Please don’t tell me his skill set matches Vegas better. That’s not the reason.

I meant your post about Laf. He shows practically none of the things you mention, and certainly not with any regularity.

Brett Howden is still a negative player, he's just on a much better and much better structured team. He's also shooting 23%.