Around The NHL Part XXVI
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The cap hit is a consideration but I'm not sure this means Georgiev's value is any higher than it was before. He's still an unknown quantity. At least with Allen there's a pretty considerable history to judge him on.
If anything, the story here is that HF's favorite narrative of "they're in cap hell and have to pay to get out of it!" is really a bunch of bullshit.
If anything, the story here is that HF's favorite narrative of "they're in cap hell and have to pay to get out of it!" is really a bunch of bullshit.
GeorgeKaplan
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Think the cap hell thing is situational, Chicago had to give up a decent amount to get some players out of there and Toronto had to give up a 1st just last offseason to get rid of a 1 year $6.5m hit
That's a fair point. I just think it's one of those things that always gets blown out of proportion. People think Tampa is screwed but they'll easily find a taker for their role players. I just think fans tend to overstate the severity of cap problems, especially when the solution is trading perfectly viable NHL talent.
GeorgeKaplan
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Yeah, I think Tampa will figure a way to get out of their jam without losing a Cirelli or Sergachev, they might even sign for cheaper than expected if they're like Point and are willing to take less to help the team out while their window is still open, but getting out of their cap crunch might mean giving a team a Nolan Foote or a pick or something to take a Killorn or whoever, which they should do because their window (to possibly multiple cups) is open right now. But most of the time the base operating mode on these boards is 'futures for right now' is bad and shouldn't ever be done
you do pay for cap space and it has value, the BS is what the players are worth in the first place IMO. so relative to the unrealistic expectations you aren't seeing the change in value
You're right and that's really what I was getting at. I just didn't make that point very well in my post. I think a very large switch is thrown in the minds of fans once a team gets into hot water with the cap. Good players become average players. Average players become bad players. Bad players become massive anchors. That's really never the case except for in very extreme circumstances.
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That's because Tampa's role players are actually quality good players -- maybe except Johnson but the rest are good players.
Teams like Chicago have aging depth... those guys are worthless. Marleau is a worthless player
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Yup. Some people legiitmately think they need to trade a Cirelli/Cernak to move someone like Killorn, which is dumb. The Allen trade further proves that...
I think MB probably got a bit too excited by the little run the Canadiens made in these playoffs but they needed a backup, they have a TON of picks and they have a lot of cap space if I'm not mistaken. If Allen had 3 years left on his deal it would be a beyond awful deal but he only has one year left.
Yep there are some teams out there who still have cap space AND think they are close to competing. Montreal is one of those teams. Montreal was dreaming of Lafreniere this year instead they may be in stuck in the middle mode now for the future.
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I mean, some of their young guys, especially Nick Suzuki really shined in these playoffs. Knocking out Crosby and Penguins and giving the #1 seed Flyers a good fight. It was definitely good experience for them. As for if they will get back to the playoffs next year, who knows. Getting a better backup, might help their chances.
aufheben
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Tampa always figures out a way to keep players. They might as well not even have a cap limit. They’ve had the same roster for like 5+ years. 
Stamkos, Johnson, Kucherov, Palat, Killorn, Hedman, Paquette, Vasilevskiy were all there in 2014-15.
Point and Gourde since 2016-17.
Like that’s f***ing ridiculous in the cap era.
Stamkos, Johnson, Kucherov, Palat, Killorn, Hedman, Paquette, Vasilevskiy were all there in 2014-15.
Point and Gourde since 2016-17.
Like that’s f***ing ridiculous in the cap era.
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I'd say most teams always find a way to keep their good players in spite of tough finances, unless said player actually wants out.
No doubt. I am a huge Suzuki fan. Praising him all year but not sure they have that elite talent at forward or defense. Also their two best players are almost mid 30's (I know Weber had a tremendous playoffs).
For sure having a decent run in any playoffs is a great experience. I know it may sound silly but was hoping for a 5 game series against carolina. Always a great experience for the younger guys to experience some taste of victory in the playoffs.
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GeorgeKaplan
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They're getting a Bruins-esque buy in from their good players where they'll take less than what they're worth to keep the team competitive. Hope Gorton can do the same here but I don't exactly have high confidence in that
KirkAlbuquerque
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Tampa will lose good players, its not like they have a Ladd or Eriksson that they need to dump, Killorn is a really good 2nd line/PP winger. Even Johnson is good. They can easily trade either one for picks. However it will hurt their depth. But they will be able to hang on to Sergachev and Cirelli easily
GeorgeKaplan
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That's part of it, but Point taking a 3 year $6.7m contract when he could've demanded more or even signed an offer sheet for way more (there were reports Montreal approached him about signing one and he refused because he wanted to stick around to try and win a cup with Tampa) is what I'm getting at
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So do Florida, Dallas, Vegas and soon Seattle, and to a degree Nashville.
What Tampa is doing on top of that advantage is what makes them a contender
eco's bones
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The problem with taking on someone's cap right now (like Killorn) is there is a hard ceiling right now and it's pretty much made out of concrete for the next 3 years anyway. Regarding Killorn (3 years remaining of a $4.445 mil) f*** off with that and I don't think he'd be nearly as effective of a player with any other NHL team. It only takes one team I suppose but I don't think there are going to be a lot of teams taking on other teams worser contracts if they have more than a year---two years term at most. I'm kind of thinking the NHL is going to try to implement another buyout within the next year or two actually. Looking at Tampa in three or 4 years a lot of the guys on their current roster are going to be either in their 30's or mid-30's. They're certainly not all that deep in young players or prospects either--they've been doing a lot of buying the last 2/3/4 years. Their window IMO is about 2 years/3 at the most from closing.
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A little birdie told me a few minutes ago....Avalanche 7 Stars 5 tonight in the wildest game of them all to force a game 7....fingers crossed the birdie is right!
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