Around the NHL (Part XVIII) - Tankiest tank to have ever tanked

[Blackhawkswincup]

Sekera isn't worth (to CHI) a 1st + 2nd rounder last year, that's why it didn't get done.

Why would Sekera not be worth that?

If Stan was willing to give up a 2nd for trash line Rundblad he should have been willing to give up more for an actual good NHL defender

 

[JaegerDice]

Why would Sekera not be worth that?

If Stan was willing to give up a 2nd for trash line Rundblad he should have been willing to give up more for an actual good NHL defender

Rundblad has been the Blackhawks 4th or 5th best defender throughout the year. Considering his price tag on a cap-strapped team, he's been worth a 2nd, especially for a team where most draft picks end up benched, scratched and traded because Q dislikes their choice of shampoo.

I do agree that Stan should have just spent the 1st though. No point collecting prospects so long as you employ Quenneville.

 

[JaegerDice]

Hawks had the pieces to get Sekera. No one is looking at our prospects and turning up their nose I'll guarantee you that. Our pool is SIGNIFICANTLY better than LA's. That Sekera deal is way too rich for a rental, which is what he was to the Hawks. For the Kings, however, it is justifiable because he isn't a rental to them. McKenzie and everybody is already reporting talk around the league that people would be shocked if LA doesn't resign him. LA is in a unique situation with the Voynov stuff.

Are you sure about that?

Because since Saad, there's been Pirri, Hayes, Morin, Stanton, Clendening, Leddy all jettisoned. For what? In the past two years, the only kid to scratch out a spot in the lineup is… Joakim Nordstrom? Ben Smith?

Is this the percentage of our future prospects we can expect to crack the lineup? Is it because of the quality of the prospects, or because of the people managing them?

Is it a coincedence that the only top 6 prospect in our lineup right now is the guy who started his first shift in the NHL on the top line with Toews and Hossa? Is it a coincidence that the others have faltered, because they've been put in the idiotic position of proving their worth with third line talent before 'earning' the chance to show what they can do with top-end players? Is it a coincidence that only bottom 6 grinders have made the team under Q, with Saad being the only exception, and the result of a fluke injury offering him a top line spot in the lineup?

 

[Taze em]

Are you sure about that?

Because since Saad, there's been Pirri, Hayes, Morin, Stanton, Clendening, Leddy all jettisoned. For what? In the past two years, the only kid to scratch out a spot in the lineup is… Joakim Nordstrom? Ben Smith?

Is this the percentage of our future prospects we can expect to crack the lineup? Is it because of the quality of the prospects, or because of the people managing them?

a 3rd, a 5th, Kris Versteeg and $6.6m in cap savings, Erixon, Forsling, Pokka, Nillson.

There are 23 spots on an NHL team. Almost all of them are already spoken for. Have you noticed alot of other teams dealing their non-NHL prospects for assets around the NHL? Lindon Vey comes to my mind. Any others? These other teams trade DRAFT PICKS to improve, we trade REDUNDANT PROSPECTS. Which of those two ways do you think will lead to better long term success?

BTW Here I was thinking that keeping a Stanley Cup winning and WCF team together...

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Ovy pulls Caps within 1 on PP

3:33 left

 

[JaegerDice]

a 3rd, a 5th, Kris Versteeg and $6.6m in cap savings, Erixon, Forsling, Pokka, Nillson.

There are 23 spots on an NHL team. Almost all of them are already spoken for. Have you noticed alot of other teams dealing their non-NHL prospects for assets around the NHL? Lindon Vey comes to my mind. Any others? These other teams trade DRAFT PICKS to improve, we trade REDUNDANT PROSPECTS. Which of those two ways do you think will lead to better long term success?

BTW Here I was thinking that keeping a Stanley Cup winning and WCF team together...

It's the salary cap era. You can't keep a Stanley Cup or WCF team together forever. You have to keep a constant churn in your lineup to ensure that when those key pieces do price you out of keeping the lot, you have young pieces ready and able to fill the void.

Also, out of curiosity, are you aware of the chances of a 3rd round pick, or a 5th round pick making it to the NHL? Or even making it to the point where they get a try-out in the NHL? I don't have the numbers here, but I can't imagine it's particularly high. Probably as high as the Blackhawks chances of missing the playoffs and winning the lottery.

 

[Taze em]

It's the salary cap era. You can't keep a Stanley Cup or WCF team together forever. You have to keep a constant churn in your lineup to ensure that when those key pieces do price you out of keeping the lot, you have young pieces ready and able to fill the void.

Also, out of curiosity, are you aware of the chances of a 3rd round pick, or a 5th round pick making it to the NHL? Or even making it to the point where they get a try-out in the NHL? I don't have the numbers here, but I can't imagine it's particularly high. Probably as high as the Blackhawks chances of missing the playoffs and winning the lottery.

21.94% chance a 3rd round pick plays more than 2 full season in the NHL. 10% on 5th rounders (Kruger and Shaw are 5ths as is Ross).

http://www.milehighhockey.com/2014/7/23/5931789/draft-percentages

...so you're wrong.

 

[JaegerDice]

21.94% chance a 3rd round pick plays more than 2 full season in the NHL. 10% on 5th rounders (Kruger and Shaw are 5ths as is Ross).

http://www.milehighhockey.com/2014/7/23/5931789/draft-percentages

...so you're wrong.

Haha, alright, thanks for the info!

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Sens blank the Ducks.

 

[Bubba88]

That Sekera deal is overpayment. That's not worth it. Tlusty was a good trade. Thought he'd bring a 2nd back

 

[Marotte Marauder]

a 3rd, a 5th, Kris Versteeg and $6.6m in cap savings, Erixon, Forsling, Pokka, Nillson.

There are 23 spots on an NHL team. Almost all of them are already spoken for. Have you noticed alot of other teams dealing their non-NHL prospects for assets around the NHL? Lindon Vey comes to my mind. Any others? These other teams trade DRAFT PICKS to improve, we trade REDUNDANT PROSPECTS. Which of those two ways do you think will lead to better long term success?

BTW Here I was thinking that keeping a Stanley Cup winning and WCF team together...

Why do we keep drafting redundant prospects?

Therein lies the rub, along with Q.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Why do we keep drafting redundant prospects?

Therein lies the rub, along with Q.

You're right. We should only be drafting superstar prospects with our late picks.

 

[Taze em]

Why do we keep drafting redundant prospects?

Therein lies the rub, along with Q.

Why do we keep drafting redundant prospects? Because they are 18 years old.

Right now We have Hartman and Ross who are the future Shaw. One of those guys will make it, the other will probably be dealt in a year or two.

Nordstrom and Danault are the next Kruger, one will sink one will swim.

Johns and Paliotta same thing.

Pokka and TVR.

Darling and Raanta.

Hayden and McNeill and Calnan.

Down the line... Louis and Hinostroza.

Forsling, Press and Snuggerud.

Dahlstrom and Press.


I don't think it is an organizational failure that we have competition up and down the lineup. Some will rise and the rest will be dealt. It's not a bad thing that our castoff prospects hold value elsewhere in the NHL. Hayes lost his job to Shaw. Clendening lost his job to TVR. In a lot of ways Pirri lost his job to Teravainen.

 

[x Tame Impala]

EDIT: I don't know how to embed tweets I guess

There's a vine of Eichel, hammered, pounding a beer and saying "Buffalo, I'm comin' for ya!"

 

[Marotte Marauder]

You're right. We should only be drafting superstar prospects with our late picks.

Yet people get excited over a 5th round prospect for Clendening.

We trade an NHL ready Dman for a wish and a prayer and OMG we have JO out, Cumiskey turning it over every chance he gets and Rozi dragging a wheelchair around the ice.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Clendening is definitely lighting it up. Him and Stanton, man. The Hawks really missed out.

 

[Taze em]

Yet people get excited over a 5th round prospect for Clendening.

We trade an NHL ready Dman for a wish and a prayer and OMG we have JO out, Cumiskey turning it over every chance he gets and Rozi dragging a wheelchair around the ice.

5th round prospect who was on the WJC all tournament team as an underager.

2014/15: Forsling Morrissey
2013/14: Zadorov Ristolainen
2012/13: Trouba McCabe
2011/12: Gormley Klefbom
2010/11: Ellis Orlov
2009/10: Pietrangelo Carlson
2008/09: Erik Karlsson PK Subban
2007/08: Doughty Hedman
2006/07: Letang Erik Johnson
2005/06: Bourdon Jack Johnson
2004/05: Phaneuf Suter

It's a damn who's who of defenseman. Whether he is a 5th rounder or not, he ain't anymore. This could be a trade heist. Or not. But it looks pretty good to me.

Edit: Funny... as I wrote that Pronman came out with an article listing Forsling as one of the 5 biggest risers in the 2014 draft. He is a potential gem.

 

[Illinihockey]

Yet people get excited over a 5th round prospect for Clendening.

We trade an NHL ready Dman for a wish and a prayer and OMG we have JO out, Cumiskey turning it over every chance he gets and Rozi dragging a wheelchair around the ice.

Who cares what round they were drafted? Hjalmarsson and Kruger were 5th round picks. Saad was a 2nd round pick and if GM's had a chance to redraft he would have gone in the top 10. Who cares where they were picked, its where they are at now.

 

[Ace Rothstein]

Clendening is definitely lighting it up. Him and Stanton, man. The Hawks really missed out.

Stanton would look pretty good on the 3rd pairing right about now. He'd probably be the 4th best D on the team and 5th once TVR comes back.

 

[hawksrule]

Who cares what round they were drafted? Hjalmarsson and Kruger were 5th round picks. Saad was a 2nd round pick and if GM's had a chance to redraft he would have gone in the top 10. Who cares where they were picked, its where they are at now.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, but to be precise Hjalmarsson was a 4th.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Who cares what round they were drafted? Hjalmarsson and Kruger were 5th round picks. Saad was a 2nd round pick and if GM's had a chance to redraft he would have gone in the top 10. Who cares where they were picked, its where they are at now.

Hammer was a 4th rounder, no?

Stanton would look pretty good on the 3rd pairing right about now. He'd probably be the 4th best D on the team and 5th once TVR comes back.

We have plenty of good D prospects who are probably ready for bottom pairing NHL ice time. They're being blocked by Rozsival who is still (inexplicably) playing every night.

 

[Ace Rothstein]

We have plenty of good D prospects who are probably ready for bottom pairing NHL ice time. They're being blocked by Rozsival who is still (inexplicably) playing every night.

They are also being blocked by other team's trash like Rundblad and Erixon who the GM has traded for in the last year.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I like Rundblad. He's going to age like fine wine IMO. It'd be nice if Roszival would sit half of the remaining games. I'd like to see what Erixon is all about too. We're not missing Morin by any means, but it seems like a waste of a trade at this point.

 

[Illinihockey]

I don't disagree with what you're saying, but to be precise Hjalmarsson was a 4th.

You're right, Shaw was the 5th

 

[Sevanston]

You're right, Shaw was the 5th

To keep splitting hairs, a 5th round overager. He'd already been passed over in two drafts.

It'd be fun to see a graph of Shaw's trade value the year after he was drafted. He'd start off being valued at a bag of pucks, and end as a promising young player with 12 goals in 37 NHL games under his belt. Even if you thought his success was just a flash in the pan (I did), he still had a ton more value than a 5th round overager.

After the draft is over, it's silly to put a lot of weight on a player's draft position. Their body of work is way more important.