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Around the NHL - Part XLII - (2023-24 Season edition)

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RangersFan1994 said:
What a bust he turned out to be. Etem sucked
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Etem sucked in anaheim too. It was a dumb trade from the very beginning. You dont trade a legit NhL talent for someone who is becoming a bust in the hope he might become decent.

Just horrible asset management. At least just get picks back for him, which we didnt. We swapped 2nds.
 
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Ruggs225 said:
Etem sucked in anaheim too. It was a dumb trade from the very beginning. You dont trade a legit NhL talent for someone who is becoming a bust in the hope he might become decent.

Just horrible asset management. At least just get picks back for him, which we didnt. We swapped 2nds.
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It’s funny that he ended up back in Anaheim. He is from the area so guess they had a soft spot for him.

On the ice was not good. lol
 
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Im really curious as to how letang and karlsson mesh. Burns and Karlsson was a disaster on the same team.

How will the PP work with both of them?

Gonna be very interesting l. Plus he doesn’t solve the fact that Pit was bad defensively.
 


I like the question. They do have a sneaky level of talent. I wonder what direction Armstrong goes in. They have some star power on offense in Thomas, Kyrou and Buch but no real cornerstone piece. Maybe Thomas and/or Kyrou take another step, they're nice players to build around but not that franchise level piece at the moment.

Then the next group, Schenn and Hayes are really solid players. Vrána has had his personal issues, but if he can get himself together he's an incredibly talented player. Saad and Kapanen are solid depth.

The defense is the same situation. A bunch of solid players but no one in that upper echelon. Getting up there in age as well. Faulk, Parayko, Leddy and Krug. If you're looking at top pairing defensemen by definition, and ranking the top 32 RDs/LDs.. you could make an argument that they have a 1st pairing guy in someone like Faulk, maybe even Parayko. That being said, you'd probably be rating those guys as solid 2Ds rather than true number one defenders. So again, they're missing that true #1 piece to really build around.

Goaltending is a huge question mark.

You look at their prospect pool.. they have a really solid group. A few blue chip guys. Dvorsky has tremendous potential at center. Snuggerud and Bolduc have looked fantastic since being drafted. A number of other notable players. Their defensive prospects are lacking a bit.

I think if Armstrong is being objective with how his team shakes out.. they have a talented enough group that they could probably sneak into a playoff spot if things go right, but I don't see them having the high end pieces to carry them very far. Those prospects are probably 2/3 years out, Kyrou & Thomas are locked in and still young enough.. they have a huge stock of players they could auction off to address their weaknesses. Buch, Schenn, Hayes, Vrána, Saad, Kapanen, Krug, Parayko, Faulk, Leddy.. they could acquire a big chunk of picks and prospects for that group. They already have plenty of pieces, I think it makes a lot of sense for them to retool
 
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B17 Apricots said:


I like the question. They do have a sneaky level of talent. I wonder what direction Armstrong goes in. They have some star power on offense in Thomas, Kyrou and Buch but no real cornerstone piece. Maybe Thomas and/or Kyrou take another step, they're nice players to build around but not that franchise level piece at the moment.

Then the next group, Schenn and Hayes are really solid players. Vrána has had his personal issues, but if he can get himself together he's an incredibly talented player. Saad and Kapanen are solid depth.

The defense is the same situation. A bunch of solid players but no one in that upper echelon. Getting up there in age as well. Faulk, Parayko, Leddy and Krug. If you're looking at top pairing defensemen by definition, and ranking the top 32 RDs/LDs.. you could make an argument that they have a 1st pairing guy in someone like Faulk, maybe even Parayko. That being said, you'd probably be rating those guys as solid 2Ds rather than true number one defenders. So again, they're missing that true #1 piece to really build around.

Goaltending is a huge question mark.

You look at their prospect pool.. they have a really solid group. A few blue chip guys. Dvorsky has tremendous potential at center. Snuggerud and Bolduc have looked fantastic since being drafted. A number of other notable players. Their defensive prospects are lacking a bit.

I think if Armstrong is being objective with how his team shakes out.. they have a talented enough group that they could probably sneak into a playoff spot if things go right, but I don't see them having the high end pieces to carry them very far. Those prospects are probably 2/3 years out, Kyrou & Thomas are locked in and still young enough.. they have a huge stock of players they could auction off to address their weaknesses. Buch, Schenn, Hayes, Vrána, Saad, Kapanen, Krug, Parayko, Faulk, Leddy.. they could acquire a big chunk of picks and prospects for that group. They already have plenty of pieces, I think it makes a lot of sense for them to retool
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Binnington is a goalie that comes and goes. If he shows up, they'll fight for a playoff spot. I think Markstrom in Calgary is another one of those goalies that is up one season, down another. Bobrovsky too. 3.07 GAA with 0.901 SV% but he managed to turn it on in the playoffs. So those teams' seasons seem to live or die with goaltending.
 
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I found out today that McDavid had 71 points on the powerplay this past year.

Dude had a whole ass season just on the powerplay.
 
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I found out today that McDavid had 71 points on the powerplay this past year.

Dude had a whole ass season just on the powerplay.
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i forgot about the 152 point season too. people take it for granted.
 
Ruggs225 said:
Etem sucked in anaheim too. It was a dumb trade from the very beginning. You dont trade a legit NhL talent for someone who is becoming a bust in the hope he might become decent.

Just horrible asset management. At least just get picks back for him, which we didnt. We swapped 2nds.
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Did everyone forget the circumstances surrounding this trade?

The Rangers had roughly 8m left in cap space going into the off-season and they had Talbot, Hagelin and Stepan as their main RFAs. They never had any cap space to keep Hagelin and GMs around the league know. If fans know, then GMs definitely know.

Hagelin was a cap dump, but not in the traditional sense of the word. Hagelin had 0 value because of our cap situation.

They signed Talbot to a 1-year deal which also diminished his possible trade returns as a 1-year contract comes with its own limitations (Unable to negotiate an extension before Jan 1st etc).
 
KOVALEV022473 said:
And the third or fourth dumbest trades in franchise history.
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Eh, the result stunk, Etem turned into massive bust but Hags wanted too much money. He ended up getting 4M. And back then the 4M is like 5-5.5M now. So paying a guy that much for 25-30 points didn't make too much sense.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Did everyone forget the circumstances surrounding this trade?

The Rangers had roughly 8m left in cap space going into the off-season and they had Talbot, Hagelin and Stepan as their main RFAs. They never had any cap space to keep Hagelin and GMs around the league know. If fans know, then GMs definitely know.

Hagelin was a cap dump, but not in the traditional sense of the word. Hagelin had 0 value because of our cap situation.

They signed Talbot to a 1-year deal which also diminished his possible trade returns as a 1-year contract comes with its own limitations (Unable to negotiate an extension before Jan 1st etc).
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Gms still need to outbid each other which drives up value. I find it hard to believe that this was the only offer. The rangers were high on Etem and they really shouldn’t have been. They felt that because of Etem and his “potential” it was the best offer and also the fact that we needed a cheap body to play.

No way in hell was this the actual best offer on the table. Hagelin could have probably fetched a 2nd or a third alone but we still needed an NHL player. In hindsight, well foresight for some, a pick would have been better.
 
effen said:
No one complains about the Callahan trade for some reason...
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I complain about the Miller trade more than Callahan. Miller trade didn't have to happen and Callahan like Hagelin wanted to get paid. At least they got St.Louis a hall of famer and not some Namestikov 4th line stiff who sucked here. McDonagh could have gotten more in my opinion. No one complains about just 2 draft picks for Zuccarello
 
RangersFan1994 said:
I complain about the Miller trade more than Callahan. Miller trade didn't have to happen and Callahan like Hagelin wanted to get paid. At least they got St.Louis a hall of famer and not some Namestikov 4th line stiff who sucked here. McDonagh could have gotten more in my opinion. No one complains about just 2 draft picks for Zuccarello
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well the jury is still out on Robertson. If he turns out to be as good as Schneider, it will be a good trade but I think you point was at the time, a 2nd and 3rd definitely seemed like a poor return. So poor that rooting for Dallas to upgrade the pick was like a group activity for us that season.
 
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effen said:
No one complains about the Callahan trade for some reason...
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I hated that NYR got conned into surrendering 2 1sts for a guy almost 39
(and hated that Cally had to push hard for ALL of term, Cap and control, for me, undermined his team first rep)

Trades like the McD happen all the time, some genuinely promising prospects just don’t make it.
Dumping those 1sts for such a late career guy will always be worse to me
I know many here disagree
 
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Hagelin like Fast after got capped out. It happens all the time. Both those guys were very good playoff performers so maybe someone else should have gone.

For mid-6 forwards, there's a subtle level of identifying which ones to overpay for, and which ones to keep. Hagelin had a unique skill set. The fail was in the drafting and development of both the Hagelin and Talbot trades assets....Gorton's infrastructure was terrible at the time.

Also, there's some revisionist history going on here. Grabner was the Hagelin replacement and scored like what 48-49 goals here. Hagelin apparently hated playing in California because he was terrible on both the Ducks and Kings.

The McD and JT Miller trade stunk from a return point of view. The silver lining is it kept the Islanders from winning two Covid Cups. I know many here may say don't care about stuff like that. Many here also didn't have to deal with that fanbase at their worst and most arrogant in the late-80s/early-90s.
 
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