NHL Around the NHL - Offseason moves and rumblings II - Habs trade Max67 to Vegas

[DKH]

and yet having nothing to say still seems to get someone to say it 1000 times

Donnie we get it ok... damn boy I feel horrible how deep into you ive gotten. are you able to have a normal life? you haven't lost your job with all this obsession have you? damn... I wish I could cut you loose. I was mean offering to let you get a motel room because I never had any intention of giving you a mercy ride. really... truly... I just see absolutely no attraction to you. you have NEVER posted anything useful ever...

dude... im sorry that I own you. that was never my intention... but for your own sake of your sanity you got to move on. weve heard this same crap out of you 100 times now... move on with your life and accept that you and I will never get it on in that motel you dream about

Wow you are starting to sound like me lol

 

[Pia8988]

I do got my 3 or 4 fans that love to pat themselves on the back with their little attempts to censor me that's for damn sure... sorry they tie up your thread

as for me... simple solution... use your ignore button. I actually cant understand why some of you cant figure that one out. meanwhile thanks for your care and your opinion how to help me improve my life. hope you have a great day and just because I value your time and don't want you to have to waste it... please keep your suggestions to me to yourself. you obviously get far more value out of them than I do

No one is trying to f***ing censor you.

 

[Pia8988]

Soooooo......

How do you think the Hanifin signing will affect a possible Nurse deal?

Similarish money maybe? Though Chia tends to overpay a bit. So 6 x 6 for Nurse? Maybe 5.5 x 6? Honestly who knows with the guy who gave Kris f***ing Russell 4x4 and a NMC

Hanifin deal itself is fine. Fair if he doesn't improve much, great if he does. Still has a lot to prove though. When they drafted him, I think they were hoping he would be in the position Slavin is right now. Has been pretty clearly passed by both Werenski and Provorov in my eyes.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

No one is trying to ****ing censor you.

I would say that I cant remember you ever trying to censor me... I don't agree with you 75% of the time but that's no sin...

the people who tell me to stop posting are clearly trying to censor me... that's their intention when they tell me to just stop and when they tell me I need to change

sorry if you feel guilty by association because as I said I didn't see you behaving this way but your little snuggle buddies do... that's how this works and if they want to keep it up I will point it out

 

[jgatie]

Bourque was a choker?

Ignore him. It's just his shtick to get attention.

 

[Pia8988]

I would say that I cant remember you ever trying to censor me... I don't agree with you 75% of the time but that's no sin...

the people who tell me to stop posting are clearly trying to censor me... that's their intention when they tell me to just stop and when they tell me I need to change

sorry if you feel guilty by association because as I said I didn't see you behaving this way but your little snuggle buddies do... that's how this works and if they want to keep it up I will point it out

They are saying you would get a better response if you cut down some of the length. I can speak for myself and say I skim probably 90% of what you post because I would say 90% of it is just fluff that isn't exactly necessary to the point you are trying to make. I feel no guilt to anything you say regardless.

 

[Chief Nine]

I do got my 3 or 4 fans that love to pat themselves on the back with their little attempts to censor me that's for damn sure... sorry they tie up your thread

as for me... simple solution... use your ignore button. I actually cant understand why some of you cant figure that one out. meanwhile thanks for your care and your opinion how to help me improve my life. hope you have a great day and just because I value your time and don't want you to have to waste it... please keep your suggestions to me to yourself. you obviously get far more value out of them than I do

I seriously doubt that anyone on these boards (including the mods) are trying to censor you. I understand that you're not really self-aware and that whatever goes through your mind winds up in these insanely long posts which just about all of them get summarily torched by the brave few who actually take the time to read them.

I do ignore your posts however as I find them extremely painful to read and I have zero interest in assisting you with improving your life. So you can take solace in the fact that your pearls of wisdom aren't wasted on a scrub like me. This is just some friendly advice from one poster to another. Please take it in that in that spirit and nothing else

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

and yet having nothing to say still seems to get someone to say it 1000 times

Donnie we get it ok... damn boy I feel horrible how deep into you ive gotten. are you able to have a normal life? you haven't lost your job with all this obsession have you? damn... I wish I could cut you loose. I was mean offering to let you get a motel room because I never had any intention of giving you a mercy ride. really... truly... I just see absolutely no attraction to you. you have NEVER posted anything useful ever...

dude... im sorry that I own you. that was never my intention... but for your own sake of your sanity you got to move on. weve heard this same crap out of you 100 times now... move on with your life and accept that you and I will never get it on in that motel you dream about

I am not trying to censor you. Just disagreeing with your condescending know it all attitude you have towards others.

You constantly state how we can all put you on ignore. I suggest the same for you.

I mean....yikes!

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Wow you are starting to sound like me lol

Funny...I don't recall you ever asking me to meet in a motel room.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Ignoring people on hf doesn't work because you still see their posts when someone else quotes them.

 

[Aeroforce]

AORF, I enjoy the long posts and appreciate your passion, even though I disagree with you on certain things, especially Tim Thomas and Tyler Seguin.

The Stars not making the playoffs in recent years is not on Seguin.

Two years ago, the goalie tandem of Lehtonen/Niemi was brutal beyond description. Many nights the Stars would be dominating a game only to have a spirit-killing softie go in against them.

Their defense was equally terrible, and worse, Ruff had zero structure in how they played. They weren't even attempting to play to their strengths or cover their weaknesses.

Both the goaltending and defense were addressed, and the Stars were comfortably in a playoff spot when Ben Bishop got injured. The ensuing losing streak sunk them. And while not an excuse, playing in the tough Central didn't help.

Add to that they had no depth scoring. Defensive match-ups for other teams were easy.

And has there been a worse drafting team than Dallas? Obviously that's not on Seguin.

With the modern game focusing on speed and skill, I thought hiring Hitchcock was a backward move. It's possible Nill had a long-term plan of having Hitch coach for one year to make Seguin a better two-way player, but we'll see.

Either way, Seguin will deservedly get paid. If not by the Stars, I'd love for it to be the Bruins.

 

[Boston Bruno]

Too intense, always remember..

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I am not trying to censor you. Just disagreeing with your condescending know it all attitude you have towards others.

You constantly state how we can all put you on ignore. I suggest the same for you.

I mean....yikes!

you miss an important point... I never ever ever respons to any of your posts unless you are attacking me. I don't start this. I have self control. if you post something I disagree with I might debate the material but I never ever debate the poster... ever

I don't pass judgement on your personality. I don't question your fandom. I keep my conversation about the team... about the sport

you obviously have a personal problem with me. you admit you don't read my posts and then you call me arrogant and a know it all and comment that I type too much

if you have that problem... and you aren't reading anyhow... then just ignore me and your problems is solved.

honestly I have no problem with you... if I see your name and its not a direct reply to me I just skip you and your friends here. I got way better things to do with my time. no ignore button necessary for us adults who have some self discipline

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I seriously doubt that anyone on these boards (including the mods) are trying to censor you. I understand that you're not really self-aware and that whatever goes through your mind winds up in these insanely long posts which just about all of them get summarily torched by the brave few who actually take the time to read them.

I do ignore your posts however as I find them extremely painful to read and I have zero interest in assisting you with improving your life. So you can take solace in the fact that your pearls of wisdom aren't wasted on a scrub like me. This is just some friendly advice from one poster to another. Please take it in that in that spirit and nothing else

for at least the 8th time I thank you for this friendly advice. I will value it equally to the many many many other times you decided to share it

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

AORF, I enjoy the long posts and appreciate your passion, even though I disagree with you on certain things, especially Tim Thomas and Tyler Seguin.

The Stars not making the playoffs in recent years is not on Seguin.

Two years ago, the goalie tandem of Lehtonen/Niemi was brutal beyond description. Many nights the Stars would be dominating a game only to have a spirit-killing softie go in against them.

Their defense was equally terrible, and worse, Ruff had zero structure in how they played. They weren't even attempting to play to their strengths or cover their weaknesses.

Both the goaltending and defense were addressed, and the Stars were comfortably in a playoff spot when Ben Bishop got injured. The ensuing losing streak sunk them. And while not an excuse, playing in the tough Central didn't help.

Add to that they had no depth scoring. Defensive match-ups for other teams were easy.

And has there been a worse drafting team than Dallas? Obviously that's not on Seguin.

With the modern game focusing on speed and skill, I thought hiring Hitchcock was a backward move. It's possible Nill had a long-term plan of having Hitch coach for one year to make Seguin a better two-way player, but we'll see.

Either way, Seguin will deservedly get paid. If not by the Stars, I'd love for it to be the Bruins.

absolutely the stars had a lot of underperformers that probably lost more matchups than seguin and benn did. and that goaltending was pretty bad...

I might suggest that bad goaltending is often the result of getting left out to dry... having confidence destroyed by an overall lack of support. I don't watch the dallas games enough to know the full storyboard of what happened there.

im not going to comment specifically on what their problems are. coaching? the city and ownership? the makeup of the d core? second line depth? top forwards that are selfish? I really don't know... about any of it...

I tried to weigh in on this argument that historically and league wide there definitely have been examples of very very very very very good skilled guys who never get that much credit as winners. these guys bounce around to a half dozen teams while some fans wonder what the hell??? these guys might have really impressive seasons numbers wise but never get consideration for league awards or for like... national teams when Olympics roll around or whatever...

a lot of fans will go... why isn't seguin for example... in consideration for like... team Canada...

im not saying he is necessarily beyond redemption. in fact I threw out the yzerman example earlier to show that guys can redeam themselves. I threw out thornton and kessel and wheeler to further that point. it is possible to improve your team impact.

I don't know... will seguin ever move from my list of suspects? even given my views on his character and grit factor on the ice though... that talent is simply undeniably impressive. so, what can I say? im on record saying I would give him 10+ mill and bring him to the team.

I don't think that means I hate the guy. giving him 10 mill+ and bringing him to my favorite team is a pretty big statement that I do like him.

this isn't about me personally bashing seguin or his god given talent. I just think hes an example of a guy that doesn't play to his full capacity all the time... and he loses some key matchups to other great players which has the effect of letting their team get an advantage while putting his team at a disadvantage as far as winning important games go and making the playoffs

this would be opposed to how I feel about Bergeron who isn't anywhere nearly as skilled as seguin with god given raw talent... but competes like hell to make sure he doesn't lose matchups. Bergeron might not be able to win his matchups as effortlessly as seguin can at times win his... but Bergeron will make the opposition pay with blood for every inch of ground they want to claim against us.

its a very abstract concept... this compete level... but old timers like myself can see it when we see it. the analystic crowd scoffs at it I know... but winning tends to follow it around. teams that win usually are chalk full of guys that people like me will point too and say that guy is a winner

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Ignoring people on hf doesn't work because you still see their posts when someone else quotes them.

I guess some self imposed impulse control to exercise our own censoring is in order then... because some of us clearly are suffering here when we keep reading posts from people that 'ruin our day.'

I hope all my friends have a good time here... I know I do. honestly, if this place ever started to depress me or even annoy me... I would find much better things to do with my time.

but one thing I don't do with my time is read posts from people who have nothing to say that I give a damn about. doesn't that just make a hell of a lot of common sense to some of these nimrods?

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

They are saying you would get a better response if you cut down some of the length. I can speak for myself and say I skim probably 90% of what you post because I would say 90% of it is just fluff that isn't exactly necessary to the point you are trying to make. I feel no guilt to anything you say regardless.

if I had no passion for what I was saying... I cant imagine I would waste my time bothering to say anything at all.

if I wanted to please everyone all the time... id prepare myself for a whole world of disappointment

do more than 50% of people ever agree on anything? do they agree on politics? do they agree what tv show is best? do they agree on the best flavor of soda pop? do they agree on home schooling?

I mean... that's life... that's reality. you wont please more than half the people no matter what freaking thing you ever try to do.

im sure as hell not here to please some of these yahoos that have decided to band together and pile up on me. they were never for one freaking second the target I was writing for. I don't remember ever giving a damn about anything any of them ever wrote. im here to participate with people I have respect for and an interest in.

I consider you someone... I have an interest in. I remember worthwhile contributions you made.

if you cant handle my posts... I will probably wish it was otherwise, but in the grand scheme of things I will accept it the same way I accept when a democrat or a republican goes off the deep end and says some crazy crap a moderate like myself doesn't agree to. im sure my religious/pollical/and other world views would rile up people a lot more than my hockey ones do. but that's just life as I said earlier.

and thanks for sharing your thoughts... but if I don't have passion for what im saying why bother??? and if I do have passion im going to express myself until the board moderators/owners tell me im not wanted here

 

[Aeroforce]

absolutely the stars had a lot of underperformers that probably lost more matchups than seguin and benn did. and that goaltending was pretty bad...

I might suggest that bad goaltending is often the result of getting left out to dry... having confidence destroyed by an overall lack of support. I don't watch the dallas games enough to know the full storyboard of what happened there.

im not going to comment specifically on what their problems are. coaching? the city and ownership? the makeup of the d core? second line depth? top forwards that are selfish? I really don't know... about any of it...

I tried to weigh in on this argument that historically and league wide there definitely have been examples of very very very very very good skilled guys who never get that much credit as winners. these guys bounce around to a half dozen teams while some fans wonder what the hell??? these guys might have really impressive seasons numbers wise but never get consideration for league awards or for like... national teams when Olympics roll around or whatever...

a lot of fans will go... why isn't seguin for example... in consideration for like... team Canada...

im not saying he is necessarily beyond redemption. in fact I threw out the yzerman example earlier to show that guys can redeam themselves. I threw out thornton and kessel and wheeler to further that point. it is possible to improve your team impact.

I don't know... will seguin ever move from my list of suspects? even given my views on his character and grit factor on the ice though... that talent is simply undeniably impressive. so, what can I say? im on record saying I would give him 10+ mill and bring him to the team.

I don't think that means I hate the guy. giving him 10 mill+ and bringing him to my favorite team is a pretty big statement that I do like him.

this isn't about me personally bashing seguin or his god given talent. I just think hes an example of a guy that doesn't play to his full capacity all the time... and he loses some key matchups to other great players which has the effect of letting their team get an advantage while putting his team at a disadvantage as far as winning important games go and making the playoffs

this would be opposed to how I feel about Bergeron who isn't anywhere nearly as skilled as seguin with god given raw talent... but competes like hell to make sure he doesn't lose matchups. Bergeron might not be able to win his matchups as effortlessly as seguin can at times win his... but Bergeron will make the opposition pay with blood for every inch of ground they want to claim against us.

its a very abstract concept... this compete level... but old timers like myself can see it when we see it. the analystic crowd scoffs at it I know... but winning tends to follow it around. teams that win usually are chalk full of guys that people like me will point too and say that guy is a winner

Good points, and I'll add, if the NHL went to the last Olympics, I think Seguin would have been a lock for Team Canada.

I think Seguin has matured, as evidenced in a recent segment posted by the Stars.

As for the city of Dallas, they embrace the Stars, draw well, and the crowds are raucous. But it is different than northern cities where fans and media are more demanding. I won't post it since it usually gets deleted, but the Barstool Sports video "The Life" they did with Seguin and the bubbly blonde, is a good example. She asked Seguin something along the lines of 'Who could pick up a chick more easily, you or the Cowboys' third string quarterback?"

Without hesitation, Seguin answered the third string quarterback (and I get much of that interview was a joke or at least I hope it was! ).

Plus, look at the Red Sox thread - they are 50+ games over .500, on an historical pace, and people still aren't sold on Alex Cora. Meanwhile, I got kicked off an Astros site last week for criticizing their manager for not making adjustments at home.

I'm not saying some markets are 'better' than others, but some markets are definitely more demanding from fans and media.

I believe present-day Seguin is more prepared to deal with that than when he was a youngster with the B's.

 

[BMC]

Too intense, always remember..

This will always be an HF classic

 

[Gordoff]

Good points, and I'll add, if the NHL went to the last Olympics, I think Seguin would have been a lock for Team Canada.

I think Seguin has matured, as evidenced in a recent segment posted by the Stars.

As for the city of Dallas, they embrace the Stars, draw well, and the crowds are raucous. But it is different than northern cities where fans and media are more demanding. I won't post it since it usually gets deleted, but the Barstool Sports video "The Life" they did with Seguin and the bubbly blonde, is a good example. She asked Seguin something along the lines of 'Who could pick up a chick more easily, you or the Cowboys' third string quarterback?"

Without hesitation, Seguin answered the third string quarterback (and I get much of that interview was a joke or at least I hope it was! ).

Plus, look at the Red Sox thread - they are 50+ games over .500, on an historical pace, and people still aren't sold on Alex Cora. Meanwhile, I got kicked off an Astros site last week for criticizing their manager for not making adjustments at home.

I'm not saying some markets are 'better' than others, but some markets are definitely more demanding from fans and media.

I believe present-day Seguin is more prepared to deal with that than when he was a youngster with the B's.

This video actually impressed me. I never got the image of the immature kid out of my head. After watching the video I really feel like maybe, maybe he could pull it all together, pull himself up by his boot-strings and become the pro, the adult pro that he had us envision when they first drafted him. I'm not sure that I would, if I were Sweeney spend $10,000,000 a year on him, and if he decides to try to get Seguin back for that huge chunk of the cap, he'd be taking his career in his hands if Seguin doesn't keep progressing. If Seguin could become Bergy's protege, become intense and caring of the team that jettisoned him, with his talent he can be huge here but I would hate to be the guy who takes that gamble and loses.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

if I had nothing to say I suppose I could.

aren't you capable of putting someone on your ignore list?

oh look... short, concise. I guess when I don't give a damn about who or what im talking about with then yeah I can be short and concise... fancy that

How about if you had something relevant to say instead of the same thing over and over just phrased slightly differently?

Having passion for a subject and being concise are not mutually exclusive btw.

 

[PaulD]

trust me... there are guys who winning follows around... guys who elevate a bad team to good and good team to great

and there are guys who mysteriously play on bad teams year after year... who play on teams that are predicted to be great on paper but end up failing when put to the test of real games.

I specifically said I wasn't talking about any specific player in the post you quoted back to me. I wish you would read more accurately if you want to call me stupid. as for the specific player in question here... lets see what happens

steve yzerman once upon a time had a rep for being a bit of a loser... an underachiever who put personal glory ahead of team success. its one of the more famous cases in nhl history how scotty bowman sat him down... talked it out... taught yzerman how to change his mindset and put team success first. Eventually yzerman carved out a rep as one of the greatest players in nhl history.

the winning mattered...

I am not going to write seguin off as someone that can't improve his ability to win. Joe thornton improved. Phil Kessel improved. Blake Wheeler improved. Quite often, guys will make improvements in their character as they get a bit older and they start to understand this concept better.

and maybe you will also understand it better as you get a bit older?

but thanks for calling me stupid when you didn't read what I was saying

Im watching for Teows to reinvent himself like Stevie Y did.

Granted Teows is already a proven championship winner. The Hawks captain has a lot of years left but will play more of a Guy Carbaneau role.

 

[PaulD]

absolutely the stars had a lot of underperformers that probably lost more matchups than seguin and benn did. and that goaltending was pretty bad...

I might suggest that bad goaltending is often the result of getting left out to dry... having confidence destroyed by an overall lack of support. I don't watch the dallas games enough to know the full storyboard of what happened there.

im not going to comment specifically on what their problems are. coaching? the city and ownership? the makeup of the d core? second line depth? top forwards that are selfish? I really don't know... about any of it...

I tried to weigh in on this argument that historically and league wide there definitely have been examples of very very very very very good skilled guys who never get that much credit as winners. these guys bounce around to a half dozen teams while some fans wonder what the hell??? these guys might have really impressive seasons numbers wise but never get consideration for league awards or for like... national teams when Olympics roll around or whatever...

a lot of fans will go... why isn't seguin for example... in consideration for like... team Canada...

im not saying he is necessarily beyond redemption. in fact I threw out the yzerman example earlier to show that guys can redeam themselves. I threw out thornton and kessel and wheeler to further that point. it is possible to improve your team impact.

I don't know... will seguin ever move from my list of suspects? even given my views on his character and grit factor on the ice though... that talent is simply undeniably impressive. so, what can I say? im on record saying I would give him 10+ mill and bring him to the team.

I don't think that means I hate the guy. giving him 10 mill+ and bringing him to my favorite team is a pretty big statement that I do like him.

this isn't about me personally bashing seguin or his god given talent. I just think hes an example of a guy that doesn't play to his full capacity all the time... and he loses some key matchups to other great players which has the effect of letting their team get an advantage while putting his team at a disadvantage as far as winning important games go and making the playoffs

this would be opposed to how I feel about Bergeron who isn't anywhere nearly as skilled as seguin with god given raw talent... but competes like hell to make sure he doesn't lose matchups. Bergeron might not be able to win his matchups as effortlessly as seguin can at times win his... but Bergeron will make the opposition pay with blood for every inch of ground they want to claim against us.

its a very abstract concept... this compete level... but old timers like myself can see it when we see it. the analystic crowd scoffs at it I know... but winning tends to follow it around. teams that win usually are chalk full of guys that people like me will point too and say that guy is a winner

Still, fact is there are many "that guys a winner" who never won the Cup.

Dionne, Neely, Park, Perreault, Sittler, P. Statsny, Bure, Hawerchuck, M.Howe, Lindros, Tony O. Clarke, Middleton, Salming, Iginla, Roenick, Tzacuk, Stamkos, Price, Subban, Lunquist etc

 

[Saxon Eric]

Pretty damn good contract Calgary got Hanifan signed for. 6 years at $4.95 per. Damn good deal for Calgary.

Surprised there isn't more talk on this contract, are Bruins fans pretending it didnt happen?

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Surprised there isn't more talk on this contract, are Bruins fans pretending it didnt happen?

Why would Bruins fans pretend it didn't happen?