NHL Around the NHL - Offseason moves and rumblings II - Habs trade Max67 to Vegas

[The don godfather]

This video actually impressed me. I never got the image of the immature kid out of my head. After watching the video I really feel like maybe, maybe he could pull it all together, pull himself up by his boot-strings and become the pro, the adult pro that he had us envision when they first drafted him. I'm not sure that I would, if I were Sweeney spend $10,000,000 a year on him, and if he decides to try to get Seguin back for that huge chunk of the cap, he'd be taking his career in his hands if Seguin doesn't keep progressing. If Seguin could become Bergy's protege, become intense and caring of the team that jettisoned him, with his talent he can be huge here but I would hate to be the guy who takes that gamble and loses.

No I want Seguin and his endless tatoos. J nill has proved to me he doesn't want him long term and looking for a leader like karlsson. If I'm nill I'll do whatever I can and get toews.

 

[Saxon Eric]

Why would Bruins fans pretend it didn't happen?

Cause it's such a good deal? Normally there'd be 10 pages dissecting this signing

 

[Pia8988]

No I want Seguin and his endless tatoos. J nill has proved to me he doesn't want him long term and looking for a leader like karlsson. If I'm nill I'll do whatever I can and get toews.

Nill is probably going to be looking for a new job soon. Dallas is a very shallow team kept afloat by the Benn-Seguin-Radulov line. His drafting has been poor by a large part and you can see it in how shallow that roster really is.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Cause it's such a good deal? Normally there'd be 10 pages dissecting this signing

I think this deal could be one that goes either way.

I know that Hanifin is still very young and could develop into a dominant guy, but he really hasn’t shown that so far. Calgary is paying him for what he could become, not what he’s already done.

They could look like geniuses in two/three years or they could have badly overpaid for an average D-man.

 

[Gordoff]

No I want Seguin and his endless tatoos. J nill has proved to me he doesn't want him long term and looking for a leader like karlsson. If I'm nill I'll do whatever I can and get toews.

Okay, so Toews AND Karlsson and then lose Seguin for free? Who is he, Peter Chiarelli?

 

[Bruinaura]

Oh, now that's a real shame

 

[Fenway]

 

[GloryDaze4877]

The only name on that list that surprises me a little is Chiasson.

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

Who would want Toews at that contract.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Still, fact is there are many "that guys a winner" who never won the Cup.

Dionne, Neely, Park, Perreault, Sittler, P. Statsny, Bure, Hawerchuck, M.Howe, Lindros, Tony O. Clarke, Middleton, Salming, Iginla, Roenick, Tzacuk, Stamkos, Price, Subban, Lunquist etc

again I got to say that winning the cup has never been my definition of winner

if this is all about my definition then I qualify winner as someone that exceeds expectations. guys that take bad teams and make them better... guys that take average teams and make them good

I think of winners as guys who take average talent and have better than average careers

I think of winners as guys who will go out on a shift and battle through all adversity to succeed.. then do it next shift... and next shit... and next... and almost never take one off unless hes almost dying on his skates

I think of winners as guys who get tabbed for international teams and elevate their game

this is all winner to me... winning a cup really relies on having a good group around you. theres many losing players who get lucky enough to accidently end up on a winning team. winning a cup doesn't guarantee you become a winner in my eye

but

winning a cup usually helps players become better winners. having experience winning is usually a good thing

there are a lot of vry talented players who have decent results because they are very talented... but never quiet live up to your expectations. take phil kessel for example. from day 1 people were saying this guy could be a 50 goal scorer. I heard it said he skates like modano and shoots like lafontaine. ive seen him with my own eyes coast out there at 60% and still be the best player on the ice.

theres absolutely no question kessel scores points. he has a lot of points scored in his career. BUT he has NEVER had a season like I expect. every year I take kessel in all my espn fantasy leagues because im always expecting this guy to challenge for the league scoring title. im a HUGE fan of his talent. its possible for us to be huge fans of a guys talent without being huge fans of the way a guy plays.

kessel has now won a cup or two... hes had a great playoffs... the guy has all the potential in the world to do this... but if you told me he might refuse to do practice this spring... or if he might be out of top shape and eating hotdogs... or go fishing the day after his team missed the playoffs... im sorry... I really am, but I probably am open minded to believe all that about him

I just don't think kessel really plays even remotely as hard as a guy like Bergeron.

as for your list you threw in my face... at least 75% of them qualify as winners to me. I guess I didn't make my original argument clear. winning or not winning a cup has almost nothing to do it for me

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Im watching for Teows to reinvent himself like Stevie Y did.

Granted Teows is already a proven championship winner. The Hawks captain has a lot of years left but will play more of a Guy Carbaneau role.

I don't think his offense translates to an yzerman comparison... maybe an igor larinov comparison?

honestly toews could have a season where he scores 45 points and I would still love him in my top 6. his value has always outstrapped his strict offensive ability

I think there was a lot of silly talk a couple years ago when people up here in Canada were talking about him as the best player in the game ahead of Crosby. that was crazy. but a guy that was in the top 10 centers... yeah no doubt about it.

with his offense now in decline he doesn't make my top 10 list anymore but I still easily put him top 25. hes still a legit first line guy imho or a really outstanding second liner would be a better role for him. that contract is brutal, but if Chicago withheld 35-40% on him id give up quite a bit in a trade to grab him for any team I was managing

 

[Gordoff]

I would be interested in Chris Stewart or Alex Chiasson. Either would be solid additions to the right side of the second or third line IMO. I do not understand what/where/why Toews name is being tossed around here, is he rumored to be on the trade block?

 

[Pia8988]

I would be interested in Chris Stewart or Alex Chiasson. Either would be solid additions to the right side of the second or third line IMO. I do not understand what/where/why Toews name is being tossed around here, is he rumored to be on the trade block?

2nd line? They are closer to 4th liners than second

 

[PaulD]

again I got to say that winning the cup has never been my definition of winner

if this is all about my definition then I qualify winner as someone that exceeds expectations. guys that take bad teams and make them better... guys that take average teams and make them good

I think of winners as guys who take average talent and have better than average careers

I think of winners as guys who will go out on a shift and battle through all adversity to succeed.. then do it next shift... and next ****... and next... and almost never take one off unless hes almost dying on his skates

I think of winners as guys who get tabbed for international teams and elevate their game

this is all winner to me... winning a cup really relies on having a good group around you. theres many losing players who get lucky enough to accidently end up on a winning team. winning a cup doesn't guarantee you become a winner in my eye

but

winning a cup usually helps players become better winners. having experience winning is usually a good thing

there are a lot of vry talented players who have decent results because they are very talented... but never quiet live up to your expectations. take phil kessel for example. from day 1 people were saying this guy could be a 50 goal scorer. I heard it said he skates like modano and shoots like lafontaine. ive seen him with my own eyes coast out there at 60% and still be the best player on the ice.

theres absolutely no question kessel scores points. he has a lot of points scored in his career. BUT he has NEVER had a season like I expect. every year I take kessel in all my espn fantasy leagues because im always expecting this guy to challenge for the league scoring title. im a HUGE fan of his talent. its possible for us to be huge fans of a guys talent without being huge fans of the way a guy plays.

kessel has now won a cup or two... hes had a great playoffs... the guy has all the potential in the world to do this... but if you told me he might refuse to do practice this spring... or if he might be out of top shape and eating hotdogs... or go fishing the day after his team missed the playoffs... im sorry... I really am, but I probably am open minded to believe all that about him

I just don't think kessel really plays even remotely as hard as a guy like Bergeron.

as for your list you threw in my face... at least 75% of them qualify as winners to me. I guess I didn't make my original argument clear. winning or not winning a cup has almost nothing to do it for me

Great post.

btw...Maybe it was me who was not clear. I was merely adding a twist to the conversation. List thrown in your face? Nah.

only 75% ? Be interested to see which ones you don't consider winners? As they all appear to meet your qualifications.

 

[Don Cherry]

Still, fact is there are many "that guys a winner" who never won the Cup.

Dionne, Neely, Park, Perreault, Sittler, P. Statsny, Bure, Hawerchuck, M.Howe, Lindros, Tony O. Clarke, Middleton, Salming, Iginla, Roenick, Tzacuk, Stamkos, Price, Subban, Lunquist etc

Clarke as in Bobby??!! The mid 70's say "hi".

 

[PaulD]

Clarke as in Bobby??!! The mid 70's say "hi".

Bobby won a two Cups.

Was referring to Wendyl.

 

[Don Cherry]

Chiasson and Stewart would both be good, cheap signings and they're still relatively young as well. We don't need D that much, but Stewart would allow us to get rid of a stiff like Acciari.

 

[Don Cherry]

Bobby won a two Cups.

Was referring to Wendyl.

Gotcha.

 

[Don Cherry]

Chiasson and Stewart would both be good, cheap signings and they're still relatively young as well. We don't need D that much, but Stewart would allow us to get rid of a stiff like Acciari.

Actually, Chiasson might allow us to move the overpaid Miller. He's also younger, not to mention better than Miller. Too bad we have to keep Miller because he went to UVM or UNH.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Chiasson and Stewart would both be good, cheap signings and they're still relatively young as well. We don't need D that much, but Stewart would allow us to get rid of a stiff like Acciari.

stewart is big and talented and plays with the heart of a 5 year old girl... theres no chance in hell he could take acciari's job on this team

 

[Pia8988]

Actually, Chiasson might allow us to move the overpaid Miller. He's also younger, not to mention better than Miller. Too bad we have to keep Miller because he went to UVM or UNH.

What does a 4th line RW have to do with RD?

 

[BruinDust]

I'd give Stewart OR Chiasson a PTO (one but not both). Only because the Bruins lack depth in NHL caliber right-shooting wingers. Neither guy is very fleet of foot. The left-shot guys on this list I have absolutely zero interest in.

 

[BruinDust]

Actually, Chiasson might allow us to move the overpaid Miller. He's also younger, not to mention better than Miller. Too bad we have to keep Miller because he went to UVM or UNH.

One plays RW, the other plays RD. This is bad even for you.

 

[arbitrary]

stewart is big and talented and plays with the heart of a 5 year old girl... theres no chance in hell he could take acciari's job on this team

if he's anything like my daughter, he'll absolutely destroy whatever gets in his way then

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Actually, Chiasson might allow us to move the overpaid Miller. He's also younger, not to mention better than Miller. Too bad we have to keep Miller because he went to UVM or UNH.