Around The NHL Discussion 2021-22 Part II

[TruBlu]

I don't think they were ever in it. Tank is about to hit 30 and hasn't played meaningful hockey in 2 years. I think we are lucky that Seattle didn't take him. He's got two years to prove to the rest of the league he's still got worth. If he proves he can come back to being at least a 20+ goal a year guy we can get a king's ransom at the TDL next year or the year after. If he is truly broken, we haven't lost anything but his cap hit because he hasn't been a contributor in any meaningful way for a couple of years.

 

[tfriede2]

Carolina must think he's a fit for their team going forward. They know they'll get him and they also know that they are hurting Montreal because their first is most likely going to be like a high 2nd round pick. I think the offer sheet is just a bonus f*** you because of the past. Just one more footnote in the hockey book for GM's to NEVER play that game. At some point you're going to be in a vulnerable position.

Why do you think Carolina knows they’ll get KK? You don’t think Montreal will match? I know Montreal will need to move things around to make it work, but I think they will.

 

[Majorityof1]

Revenge for Sebastien Aho?

Absolutely. The signing bonus is $20. Who does a $20 signing bonus? Someone who wants the number 20, Aho's #, in there.

Why do you think Carolina knows they’ll get KK? You don’t think Montreal will match? I know Montreal will need to move things around to make it work, but I think they will.

I think its bad for whoever gets him. He has a ton of potential but is only putting up 3rd line numbers. $6M is a lot to bank on that. We will get Thomas who has better career numbers for $2M or so. The really bad part is that his QO is then $6M. If he keeps putting up 3rd line numbers, you have to pay him $6M or lose him for nothing, I'd probably take the picks if I was Montreal, rather than have JK at $6M for the rest of his RFA.

 

[TruBlu]

Why do you think Carolina knows they’ll get KK? You don’t think Montreal will match? I know Montreal will need to move things around to make it work, but I think they will.

The Habs will certainly need to move a lot of money out. That's the point.

 

[tfriede2]

The Habs will certainly need to move a lot of money out. That's the point.

Yes, I’m aware. The question is if they’ll do it or take the picks. I think they’ll move money out, but it’s a close call.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Yes, I’m aware. The question is if they’ll do it or take the picks. I think they’ll move money out, but it’s a close call.

They’re going to have a hard time moving money out, teams know they’re on a clock to match. Plus, even if they do match, they’ll have to deal with his QO next season

 

[Frenzy31]

Absolutely. The signing bonus is $20. Who does a $20 signing bonus? Someone who wants the number 20, Aho's #, in there.



I think its bad for whoever gets him. He has a ton of potential but is only putting up 3rd line numbers. $6M is a lot to bank on that. We will get Thomas who has better career numbers for $2M or so. The really bad part is that his QO is then $6M. If he keeps putting up 3rd line numbers, you have to pay him $6M or lose him for nothing, I'd probably take the picks if I was Montreal, rather than have JK at $6M for the rest of his RFA.

For Carolina it isn’t as much of a risk. It is like getting a guy at the trade deadline. If he doesn’t grow, then they qualify him. Giving up a late 1st and a 3rd was the price of a great rental, so…..

I love it. Total FU to Montreal and now it tells the rest of the league to lay off Necas.

 

[Majorityof1]

For Carolina it isn’t as much of a risk. It is like getting a guy at the trade deadline. If he doesn’t grow, then they qualify him. Giving up a late 1st and a 3rd was the price of a great rental, so…..

I love it. Total FU to Montreal and now it tells the rest of the league to lay off Necas.

A first and a 3rd is a ton for a rental who put up the numbers he put up last year. Granted the upside is a lot more, so it might be a good gamble in the end.

 

[ezcreepin]

A first and a 3rd is a ton for a rental who put up the numbers he put up last year. Granted the upside is a lot more, so it might be a good gamble in the end.

This also isn't super significant, but could you imagine an all Finnish line for Carolina? I don't see any reason to move Svech off that top line, but I think it would be really fun for Aho, Teravainen, and Kotkaniemi. Who knows if that propels him to his potential, but it would be fun.

 

[Frenzy31]

A first and a 3rd is a ton for a rental who put up the numbers he put up last year. Granted the upside is a lot more, so it might be a good gamble in the end.

I think Montreal has to match it. They will lose something, but I can’t imagine they don’t sign him. But it really puts them in a bad spot with Suzuki next year contract wise.

The best part it they waited to do it and really put Montreal in a bind.

 

[Brockon]

I think Montreal has to match it. They will lose something, but I can’t imagine they don’t sign him. But it really puts them in a bad spot with Suzuki next year contract wise.

The best part it they waited to do it and really put Montreal in a bind.

Puts Montreal in a bind this season. If they don't sign KK to a matching offer sheet, who is their 2C now that Danault is playing in LA?

Evans? Drouin? Paquette? Poehling? None of them inspire much confidence. Not that KK was given much when he got healthy scratched in the cup finals...

 

[simon IC]

Puts Montreal in a bind this season. If they don't sign KK to a matching offer sheet, who is their 2C now that Danault is playing in LA?

Evans? Drouin? Paquette? Poehling? None of them inspire much confidence. Not that KK was given much when he got healthy scratched in the cup finals...

I disagree. I would let KK go if I were Montreal. I would take the draft picks and cap space to find another C.

 

[simon IC]

You also have to realize that with this contract, KK becomes a UFA after one year. I would honestly let him go.

 

[Ranksu]

Absolutely. The signing bonus is $20. Who does a $20 signing bonus? Someone who wants the number 20, Aho's #, in there.



I think its bad for whoever gets him. He has a ton of potential but is only putting up 3rd line numbers. $6M is a lot to bank on that. We will get Thomas who has better career numbers for $2M or so. The really bad part is that his QO is then $6M. If he keeps putting up 3rd line numbers, you have to pay him $6M or lose him for nothing, I'd probably take the picks if I was Montreal, rather than have JK at $6M for the rest of his RFA.

Is it 6mill.$ x 1-year? Kotkaniemi is 21.

 

[Celtic Note]

You also have to realize that with this contract, KK becomes a UFA after one year. I would honestly let him go.

How so? He would still be an RFA, no?

 

[Brockon]

I disagree. I would let KK go if I were Montreal. I would take the draft picks and cap space to find another C.

Who is left on the market for centers you'd dress as your 2C?

UFAs of note are Anisimov, Backes, Bozak, Eric Staal and Zajac (rumoured to have a handshake agreement with the NYI).

Trade targets? Eichel? Trochek (doubtful given the offersheet situation)? Johansson/Duchene? No 2C comes in cheaper than KK unless they're ELC players or studs not getting moved.

I mean if you're going to throw out acquire a new centre as a suggestion, who do you think is available to fill that role for a team aspiring to another deep playoff run?

 

[Brockon]

You also have to realize that with this contract, KK becomes a UFA after one year. I would honestly let him go.

How so? He would still be an RFA, no?

Definitely short of the 6/7 years in the NHL to become a UFA. KK will be a RFA next summer unless the team holding his rights decides 6.1m is way too much and don't tender him a qualifying offer next offseason.

The 6.1m I think is an overpayment for what KK has shown, designed to put MTL in an awkward contract position moving forward. CAR needs to move out cap to keep KK, MTL has the Weber LTIR (7.8m) to play with so long as Weber misses the whole season.

 

[Majorityof1]

Is it 6mill.$ x 1-year? Kotkaniemi is 21.

How so? He would still be an RFA, no?

It is a 1 year deal. He is 21. And yes, he is still an RFA afterwards, but he is an RFA with a $6.1M qualifying offer. Its tough to sign a 30 point guy to $6M at 21, but you can always say "He will get better". That gets harder at 22, and again harder still at 23. Kotkaniemi has no incentive to sign a multi year deal for substantially less than $6M, nor any deal that would lower his QO below where it is. Every year they will have to ask, is he worth $6M? Every year the answer is no is another step closer to them not qualifying him.

 

[Ranksu]

It is a 1 year deal. He is 21. And yes, he is still an RFA afterwards, but he is an RFA with a $6.1M qualifying offer. Its tough to sign a 30 point guy to $6M at 21, but you can always say "He will get better". That gets harder at 22, and again harder still at 23. Kotkaniemi has no incentive to sign a multi year deal for substantially less than $6M, nor any deal that would lower his QO below where it is. Every year they will have to ask, is he worth $6M? Every year the answer is no is another step closer to them not qualifying him.

Still you can't draw him out. He is still 21. I were hesitate when he didn't florish right away when step in to NHL. Think of this its going to be his 4th season in NHL and he is just 21.

6mill.$ might be now overpayment, well it is overpayment, but if you snack +50point player in your Contender team it's imo good move whatever you lose pick(s).

Canes are top teams and legit Stanley Cup Contender.

 

[Ranksu]

 

[BlueOil]

Still you can't draw him out. He is still 21. I were hesitate when he didn't florish right away when step in to NHL. Think of this its going to be his 4th season in NHL and he is just 21.

6mill.$ might be now overpayment, well it is overpayment, but if you snack +50point player in your Contender team it's imo good move whatever you lose pick(s).

Canes are top teams and legit Stanley Cup Contender.

that offersheet will be an overpayment for years and that's the problem for either team here. he's unlikely to double his point production in one year and would really need to do so to be worth resigning at that same price or higher. even if he becomes a 50pt player in a couple years, which is more realistic, that's about the bare minimum you'd expect for this contract. really feels like best case scenario for the team that keeps him is getting him to produce enough to hit the minimum production for that salary. people seem to have stopped dreaming he was going to be the next barkov and with this much pressure on him to perform, he could end producing more like yakupov. would not be surprised to see the hurricanes refuse a qualifying offer next year if he doesn't live up to it as a way out.

if bergevin matches, they either expect a lot of improvement soon or they couldn't find another center. he's not worth it this year and very likely won't be next year. carolina may have nuked his career with this move.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

that offersheet will be an overpayment for years and that's the problem for either team here. he's unlikely to double his point production in one year and would really need to do so to be worth resigning at that same price or higher. even if he becomes a 50pt player in a couple years, which is more realistic, that's about the bare minimum you'd expect for this contract. really feels like best case scenario for the team that keeps him is getting him to produce enough to hit the minimum production for that salary. people seem to have stopped dreaming he was going to be the next barkov and with this much pressure on him to perform, he could end producing more like yakupov. would not be surprised to see the hurricanes refuse a qualifying offer next year if he doesn't live up to it as a way out.

if bergevin matches, they either expect a lot of improvement soon or they couldn't find another center. he's not worth it this year and very likely won't be next year. carolina may have nuked his career with this move.

EF says Canes have discussed long term deal with him at lower number. He would be eligible to sign after Jan 1.

 

[BlueOil]

EF says Canes have discussed long term deal with him at lower number. He would be eligible to sign after Jan 1.

i mean, if he's looking good sure. still feels like that's best case scenario thinking

 

[joe galiba]

going from Canadian dollars to US dollars
Raleigh has to be cheaper than Montreal to live
and North Carolina just lowered their income tax rate
so he could make more off of less, if Montreal doesn't match, if he resigns for a lower number

 

[ChicagoBlues]

going from Canadian dollars to US dollars
Raleigh has to be cheaper than Montreal to live
and North Carolina just lowered their income tax rate
so he could make more off of less, if Montreal doesn't match, if he resigns for a lower number

But which taxes did they just increase?