DeepFrickinValue
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Maybe they trade stamkos for Elias Pettersson. 2 goals in 27 games or something.
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So Rutger was right abut the Jets but wrong at the same time about himself?got a few nhl game cheques tho.
If he was looking for the fastest path to the NHL then Pittsburgh was the right call. I still think he may need time in the AHL but there is more room in the top 12 in Pitt.
Just make sure they send the right one.
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I don't know whats better seeing Montreal lose or the Preds Lose. Probably the Preds. From Stanley cup contenders to chumps. They looked terrible last night, really slow and old. I thought they had a lot of young talent at one point and it looks like they dumped them in favor of over the hill vets. I can't believe Nyquist had 75 points last year guy looks finished. Stamkos looks lost. There D is atrocious without Josi on the ice.
It's early but all those rebuild teams looking to make that step in Ottawa, Buffalo and Detroit off to awful starts yet again.
BobTheSolarsystem
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Sucks for their fans - underwent 5+ year burn it all down rebuilds to just end up as middle of the pack bubble teams.
Really makes me appreciate how we got the Scheif/Helle deals done upon reflection
Romang67
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Why does Seattle keep playing Grubauer? I understand that he's in a platoon with Daccord, but I don't understand why.
Maybe Hasek?
It's a position where it becomes pretty glaring when you hit the point where your experience doesn't outweigh how much you've slowed down.
There is definitely a wall in the upper 30s. Even goalies who were still starters when they got old by NHL standards (Luongo, Roy, Brodeur, Roloson, Thomas) hit a wall around 38.
Maybe Hasek?
It's a position where it becomes pretty glaring when you hit the point where your experience doesn't outweigh how much you've slowed down.
Buffdog
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Brodeur and Hasek?
They're definitely the exceptions though. If Helle only drops off in the last years of his contract to the same extent that they did, I think I'd be happy
raideralex99
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While rebuilds sounds like a good idea (I'm not a fan of it) ... what is the success rate?
All those teams are drafting good players so what is the problem?
No clue. To me rebuilds only seem to excel in desirable markets. Those markets can bring in the type of high end support pieces that help teach the young talent to win.
You can't really get those pieces easily in Buffalo, Ottawa and even Detroit. You see a similar cycle of rebuilding in Columbus as well.
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DeepFrickinValue
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Locker room dynamics/culture seem to be a huge issue with rebuilds. All the failure rebuilds are in B class cities.
Original 6 and sunbelt cities (less Arizona) seem to do rebuilds well.
No idea what aurocorrect was thinking there lol
Buffdog
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Yeah, rebuilds by nature are smothered in a losing culture. It's very difficult to turn that around
The Oilers barely did it, and it only took 4 1st over all picks in 6 drafts, and getting 2 of the best players in the world to carry their team.
Aggie204
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Winnipeg is like that asshole friend, people may not like him, but he is our asshole friend.The amount of butthurt about the WPG complex is again way too high people
The Winnipeg complex doesn’t bother me, but McGroinstain does. F- that dude.
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That is a good question. I am a fan of rebuilds - to a point. I think there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. But it is hard to pin down where they go wrong and what the right way is.
One mistake that I think I see is a lack of patience. As long as you are continuing to draft and develop superior players you are moving in the right direction. When you start trying to speed up the process by trading high value futures for proven 'now' players you risk just reversing the process. You need to win those trades. Lose a couple, or even just break even and you end up having to restart the rebuild.
But I'm not certain that that explains a lot. It might just be anecdotal observation that wouldn't hold up to careful examination. Luck and timing also enter into it. Sabres have been guilty of losing patience and have had bad luck and bad timing.
Are they finally just a goalie away? Or are they just a collection of pretty good players but not a good team?
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That might be it. The failed or incomplete or endless rebuilds stand out. But all of the successful teams rebuilt at some point to get there.
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Montreal, Detroit? Chicago and TML are both questionable. Boston seems to never need to rebuild. They were supposed to entering a rebuild in 15. Blew it completely and never skipped a beat, somehow. That leaves Rangers of the Original 6.
Sunbelt teams in Fla have completed successful rebuilds in recent years. Carolina got a break picking up Aho where they did but still haven't managed to complete the job. The California teams are rebuilding now. The jury is out. I'm not sure your generalizations hold true.
Dallas seems to be following the Boston model. But their current strength comes from a lot of players outperforming their draft positions. Is that something they will be able to repeat next cycle?
BobTheSolarsystem
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I mean if hes a 1b and then buyout for the last three years thats still a very fair deal
I usually wait until 20 games into the season before I see a definite trend. Oilers from last year as an example.
BobTheSolarsystem
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They were a victim of losing the McDavid sweepstakes... if they dont lose that lottery, they are a contender againThat is a good question. I am a fan of rebuilds - to a point. I think there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. But it is hard to pin down where they go wrong and what the right way is.
One mistake that I think I see is a lack of patience. As long as you are continuing to draft and develop superior players you are moving in the right direction. When you start trying to speed up the process by trading high value futures for proven 'now' players you risk just reversing the process. You need to win those trades. lose a couple, or even just break even and you end up having to restart the rebuild.
But I'm not certain that that explains a lot. It might just be anecdotal observation that wouldn't hold up to careful examination. Luck and timing also enter into it. Sabres have been guilty of losing patience and have had bad luck and bad timing.
I really would have made a play for Brossoit if I was the Sabres GM...
I mean, they won the Eichel sweepstakes though... too back they f***ed that one up. Now the guy is a Stanley Cup champ and the Sabres are still dog shit.
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