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Snubbed4Vezina

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Both Swayman and Binnington are headcases.

Give me a cheap Hofer and Zherenko/Ellis tandem any day. In my opinion, Hofer's earned a starting spot.
This is crazy. Hofer might be ready but who knows if he could handle a starter's workload. Zherenko and Ellis definitely are not.

Thankfully we have a veteran, Stanley Cup winning goaltender who had a phenomenal season last year so we don't have to find out.
 
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BlueOil

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i still find it nuts this is all over a (very good) tandem goalie who's never put in a full starter's work load

is he even gonna keep the cage enough to be the starter this season and ever be worth all of this drama?
 
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This is crazy. Hofer might be ready but who knows if he could handle a starter's workload. Zherenko and Ellis definitely are not.

Thankfully we have a veteran, Stanley Cup winning goaltender who had a phenomenal season last year so we don't have to find out.

Crazy to see so many Blues fans dislike the goalie who brought us the Cup but here we are. Despite his "antics" on the ice, he seems like a pretty levelheaded, humble guy off the ice and I've heard many praise him as a teammate. I'd much rather have Binner at $6 million than Swayman at $8 million or more. He's a proud Blue and will likely retire holding quite a few franchise goalie records.
 

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This is crazy. Hofer might be ready but who knows if he could handle a starter's workload. Zherenko and Ellis definitely are not.

Thankfully we have a veteran, Stanley Cup winning goaltender who had a phenomenal season last year so we don't have to find out.
Agreed. Sorry but running a Hofer + Zherenko/Ellis tandem is frankly a ridiculous idea IMO. Great way to potentially damage the development of all 3 goalies in the system.
 
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Xerloris

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Except for those racist tweets from when he was younger as well. Maybe he was young and dumb, but they were not a good look either. That on top of his on-ice antics, he's an easy guy to dislike.

And this is rich coming from the guy who routinely trashes the captain that brought us a cup.

There wasn't a single f***ing thing racist that he said. Can't f***ing stand this p***y ass weak as shit society.
 

Reality Czech

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Except for those racist tweets from when he was younger as well. Maybe he was young and dumb, but they were not a good look either. That on top of his on-ice antics, he's an easy guy to dislike.

And this is rich coming from the guy who routinely trashes the captain that brought us a cup.

You're just perpetually cranky, aren't you? Not sure I'd say I "trash" Petro, although I'm definitely a bigger fan of the guy who's proud to wear the Blue Note and stuck around rather than the greedy turncoat who bolted for a little bit more money. I'm a Blues fan, why would I support that guy anymore? Good player though and I appreciate what he did while here.
 

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Crazy to see so many Blues fans dislike the goalie who brought us the Cup but here we are. Despite his "antics" on the ice, he seems like a pretty levelheaded, humble guy off the ice and I've heard many praise him as a teammate. I'd much rather have Binner at $6 million than Swayman at $8 million or more. He's a proud Blue and will likely retire holding quite a few franchise goalie records.
I don’t like his antics at all, but if he plays like he did last year I’ll be glad he’s on the team. If he turns back into a pumpkin then he’s just a douchebag who provides mediocre goaltending for a big salary. Not much to like there.
 
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I don’t like his antics at all, but if he plays like he did last year I’ll be glad he’s on the team. If he turns back into a pumpkin then he’s just a douchebag who provides mediocre goaltending for a big salary. Not much to like there.

There's plenty to like if you focus on the overall body of work and how he carries himself the majority of the time. If you wanna focus on a handful of incidents and some not-even-that-offensive tweets from a decade ago then yeah I guess. Binner is not a "douchebag," grow up.

I like the fact that he played a huge role in our first ever Stanley Cup, and seems proud and grateful to wear the Blue Note. There were actually people who wanted to keep Husso over him, unbelievably. Glad we didn't.
 

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There's plenty to like if you focus on the overall body of work and how he carries himself the majority of the time. If you wanna focus on a handful of incidents and some not-even-that-offensive tweets from a decade ago then yeah I guess. Binner is not a "douchebag," grow up.

I like the fact that he played a huge role in our first ever Stanley Cup, and seems proud and grateful to wear the Blue Note. There were actually people who wanted to keep Husso over him, unbelievably. Glad we didn't.
I don't even know what tweets you're talking about, just the childish on-ice temper tantrums he throws regularly when he's playing like shit. That didn't happen much last year because he played really well. I'd love for that to continue. If it doesn't, you can be sure those same childish, embarrassing stunts will come back and he'll just be a mediocre goalie making a ton of money and embarrassing himself and the team regularly. Plenty of guys in the league can give you mediocre goaltending without all the extra bullshit.
 

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I don't even know what tweets you're talking about, just the childish on-ice temper tantrums he throws regularly when he's playing like shit. That didn't happen much last year because he played really well. I'd love for that to continue. If it doesn't, you can be sure those same childish, embarrassing stunts will come back and he'll just be a mediocre goalie making a ton of money and embarrassing himself and the team regularly. Plenty of guys in the league can give you mediocre goaltending without all the extra bullshit.

I guess 5-10 times over the last 4-5 years qualifies as "reguarly?" I bet most goalies lose their temper from time to time, but it doesn't make them a "douchebag" as you said. Regardless, your anti-Binner bias is well-known and clearly ain't gonna change at this point. Hope he can prove you wrong again this year.
 
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"Get rid of Binnington because he's a headcase" is an example of the goalie being superior to the fans he plays for. The only Cup ever, in a few weeks the top goalie in franchise history, but the hater's differentiation is this is the guy who they deem unreliable mentally. It's so unbelievably pitiful a job at appreciating what the goals are that it deserves to root for sports the remainder of a life and never win.

The goal is to coordinate yourself internally so that the output is a championship. That guy has it within him, he is above other goalies who do not have it.
 

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I guess 5-10 times over the last 4-5 years qualifies as "reguarly?" I bet most goalies lose their temper from time to time, but it doesn't make them a "douchebag" as you said. Regardless, your anti-Binner bias is well-known and clearly ain't gonna change at this point. Hope he can prove you wrong again this year.

Binnington is one of the biggest villains among neutral fans in the league because of his on ice meltdowns. Before last year, they were regular and they are not normal for goalies. You may like it or find it endearing, but to pretend it's not different from other goalies is just wrong
 

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I don't even know what tweets you're talking about, just the childish on-ice temper tantrums he throws regularly when he's playing like shit. That didn't happen much last year because he played really well. I'd love for that to continue. If it doesn't, you can be sure those same childish, embarrassing stunts will come back and he'll just be a mediocre goalie making a ton of money and embarrassing himself and the team regularly. Plenty of guys in the league can give you mediocre goaltending without all the extra bullshit.
He made a couple dumb jokes about burkas as a teenager, like saying you could sneak into a bar or past airport security because no one would ask about it. Is just stupid teenager stuff, with no animosity for anyone.

If I’d made a joke about women drivers at that age I hope I wouldn’t be branded as a sexist for the rest of my life, because it would be extraordinarily inaccurate to base that kind of personal judgement on such a thin sampling of my character.
 

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I guess 5-10 times over the last 4-5 years qualifies as "reguarly?" I bet most goalies lose their temper from time to time, but it doesn't make them a "douchebag" as you said. Regardless, your anti-Binner bias is well-known and clearly ain't gonna change at this point. Hope he can prove you wrong again this year.
:laugh: Several times a year?! Yes, that's pretty regularly. Everyone loses their temper. Not everyone throws shit at opponents, slashes guys after the whistle, whines to the opponent or referee, tries to start a fight down 5 goals etc. etc. etc. Off the ice he may well be a good guy. Seems like he is. On the ice he definitely can be a douchebag. That's part of the reason he was able to drag himself from the ECHL to a starting net in the NHL and big contract. That big head/cockiness, but to pretend it doesn't exist or that it's perfectly normal is ridiculous. You obviously like our city/team represented by immaturity and tantrums. I personally do not.

He made a couple dumb jokes about burkas as a teenager, like saying you could sneak into a bar or past airport security because no one would ask about it. Is just stupid teenager stuff, with no animosity for anyone.

If I’d made a joke about women drivers at that age I hope I wouldn’t be branded as a sexist for the rest of my life, because it would be extraordinarily inaccurate to base that kind of personal judgement on such a thin sampling of my character.
Ahh, yeah I think I kind of remember that being brought up years ago. It's stupid, but doesn't really color my opinion of him in any way.
 

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He made a couple dumb jokes about burkas as a teenager, like saying you could sneak into a bar or past airport security because no one would ask about it. Is just stupid teenager stuff, with no animosity for anyone.

If I’d made a joke about women drivers at that age I hope I wouldn’t be branded as a sexist for the rest of my life, because it would be extraordinarily inaccurate to base that kind of personal judgement on such a thin sampling of my character.

Look, I don't like digging into people's old social media profiles and pulling stuff up to say gotcha. But when soemone is talking about how great a guy he is off the ice with zero evidence as a way to attack my opinion of him, it becomes relevant. Maybe I got him worng. Maybe he is a good guy. But the stuff I have personally seen does not show up in a good light on or off the ice. He has no obligation to expain himself to me. But I have no obligation to like or root for him. The main point is I don't like goaltenders who swing their sticks at peoples faces and throw water bottles at them in post-game interviews like a 3-yeatr old having a tantrum. But even off the ice, there are red flags.

In a vacuum, yes, old tweets are nothing. But he never apologized. He just said its old, I'm focused on hockey. If you made sexist jokes as a teenager, and then are specifically triggered by women at work, it might mean a little more. Binnington's biggest flip outs and most egregious behavior are toward one of the only Muslim players in the league. These started before Kadri ran him. Kadri is a pest, maybe even a dirty player, so it could just be that which triggers Binnington, but it makes me wonder why Kadri is able to trigger him so much. And he never said those tweets were wrong, or he was sorry if they offended everyone.

More off ice stuff that rubs me wrong. He trolled Justin Bieber about his love of hockey saying if Bieber could score a shootout goal on him, he'd die his hair. Bieber turned it around and said loser donates to charity. Binnington then used that to push people to vote for him at the All-Star game with "If you want to see it happen folks then this fella needs some retweets and votes! ". But it never happened (at least based on my google searches). Google Binnington and charity, you don't see all the good things he's done with his money and fame. All you see is him clout-chasing a mega-star. This got a lot of attention, they could have made it out to a big thing to raise a lot of money for charity and bring some eyes to hockey. Binnington used it to get all-star votes and clout chase.

So while my big criticisms are on-ice, I don't see this great off-ice guy either. I don't have anywhere near the full pucture. I don't know him or know people who know him but the little stuff I see isn't great.
 
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