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[Stupendous Yappi]

Look, I don't like digging into people's old social media profiles and pulling stuff up to say gotcha. But when soemone is talking about how great a guy he is off the ice with zero evidence as a way to attack my opinion of him, it becomes relevant. Maybe I got him worng. Maybe he is a good guy. But the stuff I have personally seen does not show up in a good light on or off the ice. He has no obligation to expain himself to me. But I have no obligation to like or root for him. The main point is I don't like goaltenders who swing their sticks at peoples faces and throw water bottles at them in post-game interviews like a 3-yeatr old having a tantrum. But even off the ice, there are red flags.

In a vacuum, yes, old tweets are nothing. But he never apologized. He just said its old, I'm focused on hockey. If you made sexist jokes as a teenager, and then are specifically triggered by women at work, it might mean a little more. Binnington's biggest flip outs and most egregious behavior are toward one of the only Muslim players in the league. These started before Kadri ran him. Kadri is a pest, maybe even a dirty player, so it could just be that which triggers Binnington, but it makes me wonder why Kadri is able to trigger him so much. And he never said those tweets were wrong, or he was sorry if they offended everyone.

More off ice stuff that rubs me wrong. He trolled Justin Bieber about his love of hockey saying if Bieber could score a shootout goal on him, he'd die his hair. Bieber turned it around and said loser donates to charity. Binnington then used that to push people to vote for him at the All-Star game with "If you want to see it happen folks then this fella needs some retweets and votes! ". But it never happened (at least based on my google searches). Google Binnington and charity, you don't see all the good things he's done with his money and fame. All you see is him clout-chasing a mega-star. This got a lot of attention, they could have made it out to a big thing to raise a lot of money for charity and bring some eyes to hockey. Binnington used it to get all-star votes and clout chase.

So while my big criticisms are on-ice, I don't see this great off-ice guy either. I don't have anywhere near the full pucture. I don't know him or know people who know him but the little stuff I see isn't great.

If you're going to suggest Binnington was prejudiced toward Kadri based on being Muslim prior to the on-ice crap Kadri pulled, you really better provide something to support that charge. Otherwise I can't really bother with reading any of this.

 

[Majorityof1]

If you're going to suggest Binnington was prejudiced toward Kadri based on being Muslim prior to the on-ice crap Kadri pulled, you really better provide something to support that charge. Otherwise I can't really bother with reading any of this.

There is no way I can prove he was prejudiced for him being muslim. But his jokes were anti-muslim and he seems to have an Issue with a muslim player. It could just be cause Kadri was a pest, I said as much.

But he swung his stick at his face and had several other incidents with Kadri prior being run. Kadri seems to be able to get under his skin like nobody else. Binnington was ran and injured by Kadri on March 2022. Here is a video where Binnington left the crease, sought out Kadri and swung a stick near his face (obviously trying to pull short). That is egregious and happened long before Kadri ran him. Video was posted in October of 2021.

 

[BlueDream]

There is no way I can prove he was prejudiced for him being muslim. But his jokes were anti-muslim and he seems to have an Issue with a muslim player. It could just be cause Kadri was a pest, I said as much.

But he swung his stick at his face and had several other incidents with Kadri prior being run. Kadri seems to be able to get under his skin like nobody else. Binnington was ran and injured by Kadri on March 2022. Here is a video where Binnington left the crease, sought out Kadri and swung a stick near his face (obviously trying to pull short). That is egregious and happened long before Kadri ran him. Video was posted in October of 2021.

Do you not realize that in the previous postseason, Kadri had cheap shotted Justin Faulk and gotten suspended for it? This was the very next season after that. Faulk actually made Kadri fight him in this game too. So yeah, I’m sure the Blues players were still a bit peeved about it, which is completely understandable.

Kadri is a piece of shit. He’s actually injured people on the ice, unlike Binnington. But go ahead and keep defending the player who is actually dirty I guess, and trying to turn this into some weird racism thing.

People dislike Kadri because of his character. I see Binnington mixing it up with Ryan Hartman and Jamie Benn too, and they’re white. You are majorly reaching on this. Binnington has gone after so many players that are the same skin color as him. But you will of course ignore those examples.

Look, I don't like digging into people's old social media profiles and pulling stuff up to say gotcha. But when soemone is talking about how great a guy he is off the ice with zero evidence as a way to attack my opinion of him, it becomes relevant. Maybe I got him worng. Maybe he is a good guy. But the stuff I have personally seen does not show up in a good light on or off the ice. He has no obligation to expain himself to me. But I have no obligation to like or root for him. The main point is I don't like goaltenders who swing their sticks at peoples faces and throw water bottles at them in post-game interviews like a 3-yeatr old having a tantrum. But even off the ice, there are red flags.

In a vacuum, yes, old tweets are nothing. But he never apologized. He just said its old, I'm focused on hockey. If you made sexist jokes as a teenager, and then are specifically triggered by women at work, it might mean a little more. Binnington's biggest flip outs and most egregious behavior are toward one of the only Muslim players in the league. These started before Kadri ran him. Kadri is a pest, maybe even a dirty player, so it could just be that which triggers Binnington, but it makes me wonder why Kadri is able to trigger him so much. And he never said those tweets were wrong, or he was sorry if they offended everyone.

More off ice stuff that rubs me wrong. He trolled Justin Bieber about his love of hockey saying if Bieber could score a shootout goal on him, he'd die his hair. Bieber turned it around and said loser donates to charity. Binnington then used that to push people to vote for him at the All-Star game with "If you want to see it happen folks then this fella needs some retweets and votes! ". But it never happened (at least based on my google searches). Google Binnington and charity, you don't see all the good things he's done with his money and fame. All you see is him clout-chasing a mega-star. This got a lot of attention, they could have made it out to a big thing to raise a lot of money for charity and bring some eyes to hockey. Binnington used it to get all-star votes and clout chase.

So while my big criticisms are on-ice, I don't see this great off-ice guy either. I don't have anywhere near the full pucture. I don't know him or know people who know him but the little stuff I see isn't great.

What wait? People have “zero evidence” that he’s a good guy off the ice? I don’t really think that’s how it works. The burden of proof is on the party that is claiming he isn’t a good guy. As far as I’m concerned, he seems popular with his teammates. He’s married with a baby now, and him and his wife look like a happy couple on social media. I’ve never heard rumors of him getting into trouble or anything like that. So yeah, unless you have proof, then he gets the benefit of the doubt for being a good guy. I’m confident in saying that you haven’t seen anything off the ice to form an opinion on that, and no, throwing an empty water bottle is a complete non-story. That is actually just funny, it doesn’t make someone a bad person.

This Bieber complaint is another non-story. Come the hell on, dude. The All Star Game is boring as f*** and we all know it. God forbid Binnington tries doing something fun like looping in a star like Bieber. He wasn’t “trolling” him, it was a harmless challenge for fun. And that would have been more interesting to watch than anything that happens at the ASG. This is why Binnington is good for the game, because he increases the entertainment level and isn’t a dud of a personality like many of this league’s stars are. And guess what, Justin Bieber was actually part of the 2024 skills competition so maybe Binnington was onto something and the NHL’s terrible marketing department jumped on his coattails to steal his idea. But no, for some reason we must conclude that Binnington is mean because he made a shootout offer to Justin Bieber. That doesn’t make sense.

 

[aceoutdoor]

Love Jordan Binnington and his fire. Best goalie the Note has had in my lifetime. He is a competitor and entertains. This is the NHL right, not my little pony on ice?

 

[Majorityof1]

Do you not realize that in the previous postseason, Kadri had cheap shotted Justin Faulk and gotten suspended for it? This was the very next season after that. Faulk actually made Kadri fight him in this game too. So yeah, I’m sure the Blues players were still a bit peeved about it, which is completely understandable.

Kadri is a piece of shit. He’s actually injured people on the ice, unlike Binnington. But go ahead and keep defending the player who is actually dirty I guess, and trying to turn this into some weird racism thing.

People dislike Kadri because of his character. I see Binnington mixing it up with Ryan Hartman and Jamie Benn too, and they’re white. You are majorly reaching on this. Binnington has gone after so many players that are the same skin color as him. But you will of course ignore those examples.



What wait? People have “zero evidence” that he’s a good guy off the ice? I don’t really think that’s how it works. The burden of proof is on the party that is claiming he isn’t a good guy. As far as I’m concerned, he seems popular with his teammates. He’s married with a baby now, and him and his wife look like a happy couple on social media. I’ve never heard rumors of him getting into trouble or anything like that. So yeah, unless you have proof, then he gets the benefit of the doubt for being a good guy. I’m confident in saying that you haven’t seen anything off the ice to form an opinion on that, and no, throwing an empty water bottle is a complete non-story. That is actually just funny, it doesn’t make someone a bad person.

This Bieber complaint is another non-story. Come the hell on, dude. The All Star Game is boring as f*** and we all know it. God forbid Binnington tries doing something fun like looping in a star like Bieber. He wasn’t “trolling” him, it was a harmless challenge for fun. And that would have been more interesting to watch than anything that happens at the ASG. This is why Binnington is good for the game, because he increases the entertainment level and isn’t a dud of a personality like many of this league’s stars are. And guess what, Justin Bieber was actually part of the 2024 skills competition so maybe Binnington was onto something and the NHL’s terrible marketing department jumped on his coattails to steal his idea. But no, for some reason we must conclude that Binnington is mean because he made a shootout offer to Justin Bieber. That doesn’t make sense.

You may be right. Maybe I am reading to much in him making off-color tweets about muslims and then swinging his stick at a muslims face. He certainly has acted like a psycho with to other NHL players.

As to the Beiber comment, I have no issue with his initial call out of Bieber. My issue is that when Bieber offered to make it about charity, nothing happened. Binngton is happy to call him out for clout, but when money to charity is on the line, crickets. And people say Pietrangelo was greedy.

Look, you all like Binnington. I don't. What's the point of arguing over it. Everything he does you all view through Stanley Cup colored glasses and I view through racist tweets and childish antics. We aren't going to agree. C'est la vi.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Engvall going on Waivers with 6 years left at 3mil per on his deal is kinda mind boggling

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Engvall going on Waivers with 6 years left at 3mil per on his deal is kinda mind boggling

Just to clarify, I want nothing to do with that deal and I think everything about the deal is weird. Going 7 years for a bottom 6 forward is weird in general.

 

[BlueDream]

You may be right. Maybe I am reading to much in him making off-color tweets about muslims and then swinging his stick at a muslims face. He certainly has acted like a psycho with to other NHL players.

As to the Beiber comment, I have no issue with his initial call out of Bieber. My issue is that when Bieber offered to make it about charity, nothing happened. Binngton is happy to call him out for clout, but when money to charity is on the line, crickets. And people say Pietrangelo was greedy.

Look, you all like Binnington. I don't. What's the point of arguing over it. Everything he does you all view through Stanley Cup colored glasses and I view through racist tweets and childish antics. We aren't going to agree. C'est la vi.

From what I remember, Binnington accepted Bieber’s offer but then they just never found a time to do it because I think Bieber was still touring at that time and probably very busy. But Binnington said in interviews he was open to doing it. He’s not anti-charity.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

There is no way I can prove he was prejudiced for him being muslim. But his jokes were anti-muslim and he seems to have an Issue with a muslim player. It could just be cause Kadri was a pest, I said as much.

But he swung his stick at his face and had several other incidents with Kadri prior being run. Kadri seems to be able to get under his skin like nobody else. Binnington was ran and injured by Kadri on March 2022. Here is a video where Binnington left the crease, sought out Kadri and swung a stick near his face (obviously trying to pull short). That is egregious and happened long before Kadri ran him. Video was posted in October of 2021.

Kadri is one of the most hated players in the league, for good reason. It’s absolutely bizarre to go looking for a racist motive for a guy in a playoff series against him to not like him.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Didn't the Beiber thing get frozen because of Covid? I remember Binner challenging Beiber to the shootout again earlier this year but I didn't pay attention to it much after the initial offer.

 

[Memento]

I merely stated that Binnington, like Swayman, is a headcase; none of you can deny that calling Swayman a headcase without saying Binnington is one as well is a bit hypocritical. Ed Belfour was also a headcase, and I'm pretty sure a lot of die-hard Blues fans (if not every die-hard Blues fan) - as well as many, many fans from other teams - hated him for it.

I just prefer to have no drama with the players on the team I cheer for, you know?

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I merely stated that Binnington, like Swayman, is a headcase; none of you can deny that calling Swayman a headcase without saying Binnington is one as well is a bit hypocritical. Ed Belfour was also a headcase, and I'm pretty sure a lot of die-hard Blues fans (if not every die-hard Blues fan) - as well as many, many fans from other teams - hated him for it.

I just prefer to have no drama with the players on the team I cheer for, you know?

Why is Swayman a head case? Because he wanted to get paid as much as he could? Because he didn’t enjoy arbitration hearing? That seems reasonable to me.

 

[Memento]

Why is Swayman a head case? Because he wanted to get paid as much as he could? Because he didn’t enjoy arbitration hearing? That seems reasonable to me.

Swayman is a headcase because he took all of his gripes and arbitration hearing as personal, and not business, and went to the media to air out dirty laundry, which is the exact thing you're not supposed to do as a sports player or teammate. I'm also pointing out that the people calling Swayman a headcase should look in our own backyard because Binnington has done plenty of on-ice things to make calling him a headcase easy.

Maybe people like watching a less talented version of Belfour on our team. I do not.

 

[BlueDream]

Love Jordan Binnington and his fire. Best goalie the Note has had in my lifetime. He is a competitor and entertains. This is the NHL right, not my little pony on ice?

Bingo. This is sports, and you need some assholes on the ice to win. The Blues didn’t get their only Cup in franchise history by playing like a bunch of choir boys. Neither did the Panthers, Capitals, Kings or Golden Knights - just in recent memory.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Say what you want about Binnington but he was the only player on that team who gave a shit when they were getting their ass kicked night in and night out. He shouldn't have to be the one to try and fire up the team but nobody with a letter on their chest was doing a thing to fire up the team. It was the walking dead out on the ice.

That's one concern I still have about this team. Is a leadership team of Schenn, Thomas, Parayko, and Faulk going to be able to get in people's faces and hold people accountable whenever we're actually playing games that matter again? I'm not sure they are.

 

[PocketNines]

It's a fact that the first Blue to say publicly on social media that it sucked George Floyd was murdered by the cops was Binnington. Before every other player on the team. Fact. But go off imbecilically with this attack that he's a racist.

 

[simon IC]

Let's tone this discussion down and back on topic, please.

 

[wiscrev]

Let's tone this discussion down and back on topic, please.

Thank you

 

[Reality Czech]

Binnington is one of the biggest villains among neutral fans in the league because of his on ice meltdowns. Before last year, they were regular and they are not normal for goalies. You may like it or find it endearing, but to pretend it's not different from other goalies is just wrong

How many "meltdowns" would you say he's had? Plus, I don't give a crap what other fans think. If he gets under their skin, then that's great. He's only considered a loose cannon nowadays because of how society has changed. A generation ago it would have been standard. I've seen all kinds of legendary goalies having "meltdowns" over the years. Patrick Roy and Ed Belfour had meltdowns all the time. I guess if you're the kind of fan who only roots for bland, emotionless players then Binner isn't the guy for you.

 

[Xerloris]

I merely stated that Binnington, like Swayman, is a headcase; none of you can deny that calling Swayman a headcase without saying Binnington is one as well is a bit hypocritical. Ed Belfour was also a headcase, and I'm pretty sure a lot of die-hard Blues fans (if not every die-hard Blues fan) - as well as many, many fans from other teams - hated him for it.

I just prefer to have no drama with the players on the team I cheer for, you know?

No one I knew hated Belfour, most real hockey fans appreciate a goalie that's a little unhinged and they're loved for it even by other teams fans. Oh but I guess this is a different era of fans we're talking about now huh?

 

[542365]

How many "meltdowns" would you say he's had? Plus, I don't give a crap what other fans think. If he gets under their skin, then that's great. He's only considered a loose cannon nowadays because of how society has changed. A generation ago it would have been standard. I've seen all kinds of legendary goalies having "meltdowns" over the years. Patrick Roy and Ed Belfour had meltdowns all the time. I guess if you're the kind of fan who only roots for bland, emotionless players then Binner isn't the guy for you.

Double digits. Far too many. Yes, Roy and Belfour had meltdowns but were HoF level goalies. You put up with it when they’re giving you great play(like I said about Binnington in the first post). When they suck and are a headcase and are making a big salary it’s a problem. If my goalie is going to suck like Binnington did for consecutive seasons, then yes I’d prefer a bland goalie who isn’t an embarrassment to the team. It’s just whiney baby shit to throw a fit when you’re playing bad. Again, it’s embarrassing. 7 year old goalies show more maturity.

 

[wiscrev]

No one I knew hated Belfour, most real hockey fans appreciate a goalie that's a little unhinged and they're loved for it even by other teams fans. Oh but I guess this is a different era of fans we're talking about now huh?

Hated? A little strong, but I didn't like the guy. I was at a UND hockey game the night he was honored. Place went nuts!

 

[joe galiba]

Swayman is a headcase because he took all of his gripes and arbitration hearing as personal, and not business, and went to the media to air out dirty laundry, which is the exact thing you're not supposed to do as a sports player or teammate. I'm also pointing out that the people calling Swayman a headcase should look in our own backyard because Binnington has done plenty of on-ice things to make calling him a headcase easy.

Maybe people like watching a less talented version of Belfour on our team. I do not.

Why is it wrong because he took it personally?

if someone looked at me and said that I cannot have a raise because I suck, and then on top of that handed me more responsibility AND THEN when I ask why they are giving me more responsibility when they just said I suck, they tell me it was just business, they didn't want to pay me more, it was nothing personal -
A) I would be pissed that they said I sucked, and even more pissed that they clearly said it just to get out of paying me
B) just because it isn't personal to THEM doesn't mean it isn't personal to ME

 

[Xerloris]

Why is it wrong because he took it personally?

if someone looked at me and said that I cannot have a raise because I suck, and then on top of that handed me more responsibility AND THEN when I ask why they are giving me more responsibility when they just said I suck, they tell me it was just business, they didn't want to pay me more, it was nothing personal -
A) I would be pissed that they said I sucked, and even more pissed that they clearly said it just to get out of paying me
B) just because it isn't personal to THEM doesn't mean it isn't personal to ME

Taking it personally is one thing but letting it effect your future in a business is what;s wrong with it. It's like he didn't understand what the point of arbitration was.

 

[Dr Robot]

Taking it personally is one thing but letting it effect your future in a business is what;s wrong with it. It's like he didn't understand what the point of arbitration was.

Typically I’ve heard it’s best that players don’t attend arbitration hearings and let the agent handle it. The whole point is for both parties to convince an arbiter how much the other one sucks. It gets contentious.