Around the NHL 2022-2023 *Mod warning in effect pg145

[sfvega]

I still want the better draft pick, even if it’s only by 2-3 spots.

I'm just a Jamie Benn losing enthusiast.

 

[stl76]

Not receiving tax revenue from a multibillion dollar development does have costs/consequences. Ideologically, I'm generally opposed to the money that flows from cities/municipalities to large corporate entities and I do think there is a good argument that the Coyotes were trying to hide behind the 'private financing' terminology to ignore the benefit of these tax breaks.

However, the point being made by @Xerloris is that the tax breaks would have been from taxes on the revenue/profits derived from the development. If there is no development and the land continues to just be an environmental concern, the city is still receiving zero tax revenue from the land to put toward schools, roads, police, or anything else. Considering that the land is currently a very negative value asset for the city, I'm not sure that development is going to happen without the city offering financial incentive to a developer. Building on former mining and waste disposal areas without any existing infrastructure is generally a huge pain in the ass. I think this is a situation where there is a good argument that this land is going to generate zero tax revenue for the city over (at least a lot of) the period of time that the team would have been receiving the tax breaks.

The 'cost' of $500M in tax breaks isn't just $500M of losses to the city when the alternative is a peace of land that generates no tax revenue.

I think you are seriously underestimating the value of this land from a developer perspective, even with the necessary environmental remediation. When the city originally opened up this land for development proposals, I believe they purposely stipulated that any bid for developing the site had to have a professional sports team attached (essentially guaranteeing that the coyotes would be the only legit bidders). I have very little doubt that other developers would still love to get a chance to build on the purposed location, and that such development would generate significant tax revenue.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Not receiving tax revenue from a multibillion dollar development does have costs/consequences. Ideologically, I'm generally opposed to the money that flows from cities/municipalities to large corporate entities and I do think there is a good argument that the Coyotes were trying to hide behind the 'private financing' terminology to ignore the benefit of these tax breaks.

However, the point being made by @Xerloris is that the tax breaks would have been from taxes on the revenue/profits derived from the development. If there is no development and the land continues to just be an environmental concern, the city is still receiving zero tax revenue from the land to put toward schools, roads, police, or anything else. Considering that the land is currently a very negative value asset for the city, I'm not sure that development is going to happen without the city offering financial incentive to a developer. Building on former mining and waste disposal areas without any existing infrastructure is generally a huge pain in the ass. I think this is a situation where there is a good argument that this land is going to generate zero tax revenue for the city over (at least a lot of) the period of time that the team would have been receiving the tax breaks.

The 'cost' of $500M in tax breaks isn't just $500M of losses to the city when the alternative is a peace of land that generates no tax revenue.

Case in point: The City of Glendale still owes over $100M for Gila River Arena.

 

[PJJJP]

Wait why am I seeing Doug being mentioned in the Maple Leafs GM search? I'm confused

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Wait why am I seeing Doug being mentioned in the Maple Leafs GM search? I'm confused

I mean a large part of our fanbase want him fired.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Wait why am I seeing Doug being mentioned in the Maple Leafs GM search? I'm confused

He's been on the management group of Canada's international tournament rosters for a long time, so of course he's going to be mentioned for Toronto's job by Canadian media.

 

[PocketNines]

Imagine working for Shanahan. That guy wants what that guy wants. He wanted Janney's wife, so locker room cohesion had to go and we as fans had to live with it. When he was giving that press conference saying Dubas was done because of a press conference Dubas had to be so pissed, it's why the next day the stuff is coming out how Shanahan undercut and inserted himself into significant decisions. Shanahan is a betrayer. That's how he competes. You don't matter. He matters. It would be hilarious to watch Armstrong work for that.

 

[cmcalum]

He's been on the management group of Canada's international tournament rosters for a long time, so of course he's going to be mentioned for Toronto's job by Canadian media.

Armstrong is signed with the Blues through the 26-27 season. He is going nowhere. Everyone just relax.

 

[mk80]

Unfortunately Chiarelli didn't make the 2nd round of interviews with the Penguins so we're still stuck with him for now



Come on Toronto, he's been trained by Armstrong just for you!

 

[ChicagoBlues]

From HFLeafs

Fun!

 

[Xerloris]

I mean a large part of our fanbase want him fired.

Most Blues fans are not smart enough to understand the game either.

Imagine working for Shanahan. That guy wants what that guy wants. He wanted Janney's wife, so locker room cohesion had to go and we as fans had to live with it. When he was giving that press conference saying Dubas was done because of a press conference Dubas had to be so pissed, it's why the next day the stuff is coming out how Shanahan undercut and inserted himself into significant decisions. Shanahan is a betrayer. That's how he competes. You don't matter. He matters. It would be hilarious to watch Armstrong work for that.

Isn't that literally his job? To insert himself into significant decisions?

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

Tkachuk again Lmao

 

[TheDizee]

Tkachuk again Lmao

good thing we did not trade for him. kyrou is a much better leader and player.

 

[Xerloris]

good thing we did not trade for him. kyrou is a much better leader and player.

I remember when you were talking about how he was a playoff no show just like his dad.

Also so you can't deny it.

Around The NHL Discussion 2021-22 Part IV Into the Playoffs Edition

anyone else see Lindholm break up that 2 on 1 a little while ago? Berube needs to replay that for Parayko and Perunovich. In the other game, Hedman didn’t exactly break up a Leafs 2 on 1, but he laid his stick on the ice (although half-heartedly) while staying on his skates and not sliding.

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Around The NHL Discussion 2018-2019 - Part IV

Colorado is a good team, they just got ECHL level goaltending for a third of the season. They still rely a lot on that first line and if a team can shut them down, I don’t see the Avs doing much. But that top line is really f***ing good.

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Around The NHL Discussion 2018-2019 - Part III

I doubt it, seems like he really likes playing for the Leafs. They're going to have to pay him big time though. Toronto Maple Leafs - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps think its impossible to keep him without doing some pretty serious downgrades elsewhere

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As a bonus you also wanted us to get Eichel and not Tkachuk

Confirmed with Link: - Blues sign Brandon Saad

This is scary seeing as he was the slowest player on the avalanche He was also their 2nd best player in the PO's.

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[execwrite1]

Matthew Tkachuk is going to bring a Cup home to Big Walt.

Love that kid.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Matthew Tkachuk is going to bring a Cup home to Big Walt.

Love that kid.

Thomas did it first.

 

[AjaxManifesto]

You are.

So YOU are the market.

Any youth hockey programs?

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

So YOU are the market.

Any youth hockey programs?

Dunno. I don’t have any kids. But that is type of thing that goes hand in hand with nhl team, each reinforcing the other. I’m just saying Houston would support nhl team.

 

[PocketNines]

Isn't that literally his job? To insert himself into significant decisions?

In a way that undermines the decisions the GM wants to make? Hello. That is a message aimed at sabotaging the next GM search.

That information being put out there in the immediate aftermath of Shanahan's press conference was aimed at undermining the next GM search. "If you accept this GM job in Toronto ... not only are you in a media crucible of second guessing your every decision, you are also going to be undermined by your boss in key moments and you will ultimately be held responsible for the moves he makes in your name that you disagree with. So enjoy."

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

In a way that undermines the decisions the GM wants to make? Hello. That is a message aimed at sabotaging the next GM search.

That information being put out there in the immediate aftermath of Shanahan's press conference was aimed at undermining the next GM search. "If you accept this GM job in Toronto ... not only are you in a media crucible of second guessing your every decision, you are also going to be undermined by your boss in key moments and you will ultimately be held responsible for the moves he makes in your name that you disagree with. So enjoy."

I saw Shanahan’s comments, but I’ve missed something. What moves did Dubas disagree with that were over-ridden?

 

[Hrkac Circus]

Dallas loses again. Down 0-2. You have to enjoy the little things…

 

[Lord Helix]

I remember when you were talking about how he was a playoff no show just like his dad.

Also so you can't deny it.

Around The NHL Discussion 2021-22 Part IV Into the Playoffs Edition

anyone else see Lindholm break up that 2 on 1 a little while ago? Berube needs to replay that for Parayko and Perunovich. In the other game, Hedman didn’t exactly break up a Leafs 2 on 1, but he laid his stick on the ice (although half-heartedly) while staying on his skates and not sliding.

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Around The NHL Discussion 2018-2019 - Part IV

Colorado is a good team, they just got ECHL level goaltending for a third of the season. They still rely a lot on that first line and if a team can shut them down, I don’t see the Avs doing much. But that top line is really f***ing good.

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Around The NHL Discussion 2018-2019 - Part III

I doubt it, seems like he really likes playing for the Leafs. They're going to have to pay him big time though. Toronto Maple Leafs - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps think its impossible to keep him without doing some pretty serious downgrades elsewhere

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As a bonus you also wanted us to get Eichel and not Tkachuk

Confirmed with Link: - Blues sign Brandon Saad

This is scary seeing as he was the slowest player on the avalanche He was also their 2nd best player in the PO's.

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[Lord Helix]

I saw Shanahan’s comments, but I’ve missed something. What moves did Dubas disagree with that were over-ridden?

Sounds like it was the other end of the horse; aka Shanny stepping in and denying certain moves.

And obviously money is never a concern in these matters, so Dubas knew he was a martyr.

 

[ezcreepin]

I'm just taking an educated guess and saying Sundqvist will not be re-signed by Minny seeing as though they need to shed salary and likely can't pay him what he wants. Dude loves St. Louis and is a nice player to have in your bottom 6. What are the odds Army signs him in the offseason and Sunny takes a discount to the team he won the cup with? What could he command just based off his production and injury history?

He'd be a nice bottom 6 addition and I doubt guys like Bolduc or Dean will be ready for the NHL right away; Alexandrov should be on the opening day roster and who knows if a guy like McGing will make the roster/be re-signed. I'm over the Leivo and Brown experiment, so that'll free up 1.5 mil in cap and two contracts.

 

[Renard]

I'm just taking an educated guess and saying Sundqvist will not be re-signed by Minny seeing as though they need to shed salary and likely can't pay him what he wants. Dude loves St. Louis and is a nice player to have in your bottom 6. What are the odds Army signs him in the offseason and Sunny takes a discount to the team he won the cup with? What could he command just based off his production and injury history?

He'd be a nice bottom 6 addition and I doubt guys like Bolduc or Dean will be ready for the NHL right away; Alexandrov should be on the opening day roster and who knows if a guy like McGing will make the roster/be re-signed. I'm over the Leivo and Brown experiment, so that'll free up 1.5 mil in cap and two contracts.

Money was a factor when we moved him the first time, but so was his skating (after an injury). Maybe we can get him for cheap now, but can he still play at a high level?