Around the NHL 11 - 2023/24

[Cnile]

yep, these are my thoughts too.


Bingo

I think the point is the league wants to get out of the special themed issues because nobody can enjoy anything without someone being offended or not offended by something.
That’s a beautiful mask in my opinion.

 

[Jetsfan79]

Okay can someone explain this to me. So Paul Maurice called the Panthers performance last night "horse crap" (paraphrase).

The general consensus among everyone is that Paul Maurice never calls out his team and always presents things as super positive as he did here in Winnipeg. Was this an aberration? Or does this leads ceedence to thet thought that Paul Maurice didn't call out the Jets players because he felt that the team wouldn't respond. And perhaps in Florida the player dynamic are different and Maurice thinks and more tough love approach can be used there?

I just think it's kind of frustrating that he does that with the Panthers and he either never did here or did it very rarely when the Jets played just as bad.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

I think the point is the league wants to get out of the special themed issues because nobody can enjoy anything without someone being offended or not offended by something.
That’s a beautiful mask in my opinion.

Well said. Another example - make a joke these days and someone will always chime in to claim that you are being crude or offensive or a bad person blah blah blah. Like what, anything you say or do has to be pre-approved as acceptable by 7.888 Billion people? Come on, man.

 

[jokesondee]

Okay can someone explain this to me. So Paul Maurice called the Panthers performance last night "horse crap" (paraphrase).

The general consensus among everyone is that Paul Maurice never calls out his team and always presents things as super positive as he did here in Winnipeg. Was this an aberration? Or does this leads ceedence to thet thought that Paul Maurice didn't call out the Jets players because he felt that the team wouldn't respond. And perhaps in Florida the player dynamic are different and Maurice thinks and more tough love approach can be used there?

I just think it's kind of frustrating that he does that with the Panthers and he either never did here or did it very rarely when the Jets played just as bad.

He was too scared to "ruffle the feathers" of Wheeler most likely.

 

[Gm0ney]

Funny that the NHL would say that his mask was not okay, but the Chicago Blackhawks theme is? Makes no sense...

From Reddit:

 

[raideralex99]

Okay can someone explain this to me. So Paul Maurice called the Panthers performance last night "horse crap" (paraphrase).

The general consensus among everyone is that Paul Maurice never calls out his team and always presents things as super positive as he did here in Winnipeg. Was this an aberration? Or does this leads ceedence to thet thought that Paul Maurice didn't call out the Jets players because he felt that the team wouldn't respond. And perhaps in Florida the player dynamic are different and Maurice thinks and more tough love approach can be used there?

I just think it's kind of frustrating that he does that with the Panthers and he either never did here or did it very rarely when the Jets played just as bad.

I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks.
Don’t forgot people learn from their mistakes and Paul made a big mistake by babying certain players and punishing others.

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

From Reddit:

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I'm not a fan of Drake's music but he is spot-on with this.

 

[JetsFan815]

Okay can someone explain this to me. So Paul Maurice called the Panthers performance last night "horse crap" (paraphrase).

The general consensus among everyone is that Paul Maurice never calls out his team and always presents things as super positive as he did here in Winnipeg. Was this an aberration? Or does this leads ceedence to thet thought that Paul Maurice didn't call out the Jets players because he felt that the team wouldn't respond. And perhaps in Florida the player dynamic are different and Maurice thinks and more tough love approach can be used there?

I just think it's kind of frustrating that he does that with the Panthers and he either never did here or did it very rarely when the Jets played just as bad.

He would call the team out sometimes during his run with the Jets in the post-game comments after particularly bad losses. It wasn't all sunshines and rainbows with him during his tenure with the Jets, atleast not in the post-game comments when adrenaline was still pumping.

 

[JetsFan815]

Seems to have stolen Kakko's spot on line 1B. Man that looks like an absolute dud of a second OA.

Yeah I am surprised. I remember watching the WJC in his draft year and he looked like an absolute stud. He is still a good player who is solid defensively and helps control the shot flow but it hasn't resulted in production. He is kinda the anti-Laine, they are both good at things the other sucks at. Combine them into one player and you prime-Ovi.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks.
Don’t forgot people learn from their mistakes and Paul made a big mistake by babying certain players and punishing others.

I don't know... this was the same pomo fall on the sword but also blame food presser we see every year but usually it's roast beef after the team was flat at home

 

[Guffman]

To think Hellebuyck was available in the summer and all of Oilers/Devils/Sabres said "no thanks"! Even if they weren't high on signing him long term he would easily be worth a high end rental price.

Reminds me of this recent thread I wrote: Link

Connor Hellebuyck has been a consistently elite workhorse goaltender for years now. He is a technical goalie who relies on positioning rather than the agile floppers, the latter type who degrade in their 30s.

The Winnipeg Jets had underperformed for a few years and Hellebuyck was adamant about playing for a serious Stanley Cup contender. It is extremely rare for an elite goaltender to be made available. Michael Russo of The Athletic said that the New Jersey Devils, alongside the Buffalo Sabres, were unwilling to pay the Winnipeg Jets the massive cost they were looking for in a potential Connor Hellebuyck trade. Was that the right choice?

Let's look at some of the potential goaltender needy teams from this offseason:

Buffalo Sabres

Buffalo is on a frightful drought of having missed the playoffs since their 2010-2011 season. Over recent years, they had accumulated some impressive young talent, some superstar quality, and were emerging. They were close to qualifying last season but their starting goaltender, Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen posted a 3.61 GAA and .891 save %. The only other competent goaltender was 41 year old Craig Anderson but he finally retired.

Should Buffalo have made the massive goaltending upgrade to break the drought and help propel this young, star studded team into the playoffs and Cup contention?

Buffalo fans were adamant that Devon Levi was The Chosen One and they had no need to spend assets on Hellebuyck. How is Levi doing this year? 3.66 GAA 0.879 save %. YIKES! No surprise that Buffalo is a sub .500 team.

Did Buffalo make a mistake passing on this opportunity?

New Jersey Devils

The Devils finished 3rd overall, powered by their many young stars. They were similar to Buffalo except their defense was stronger to carry its mediocre goaltenders (which eventually collapsed in the playoffs). New Jersey turned over their defense to younger players, adding more pressure on its sub-par goalies. Was that a winning decision to build on its massive prior season?

This season, Vanecek is posting a 3.44 GAA and .886 save %. Schmid is posting similar miserable numbers: 3.46 GAA and .885 save %. What was once an elite team has fallen to the second worst squad in the Eastern Conference.

Did New Jersey make a mistake passing on this opportunity?

Edmonton Oilers

The Oilers made a big bet with Jack Campbell and it blew up in their face last year. Fortunately, unproven Stuart Skinner saved their regular season but when it came to the playoffs, he flopped and was replaced in a few games by Campbell.

We have been told that 2023-24 season is "The Year" for the Oilers. Stanley Cup or Bust! But were they serious by going to war with Campbell and Skinner again?

Campbell has completely lost his game and has been banished to the AHL. Skinner has posted a 3.66 GAA and .865 save %. The Oilers have sunk to 5-12-1 and fired their head coach and are desperate to figure out how to salvage the season.

Did the Oilers make a mistake in not upgrading their goaltending this offseason?

Summary

Many fan bases said that you no longer need a solid #1 goaltender to be successful and they point out the success that Vegas had last season. If any of you actually watched the playoffs, Vegas just absolutely destroyed any opposition goaltender and they could have put a pilon in net and still be successful. It's not a formula that would have wide spread success.

To those fans that dismissed the notion of paying the cost to secure an elite goaltender, are you now reconsidering your stance given the blight of your seasons to date?

 

[bustamente]

The team that actually needs a goaltender like Helle is Carolina, they are in win now mode but their goalies wont get them there.

 

[Maukkis]

The team that actually needs a goaltender like Helle is Carolina, they are in win now mode but their goalies wont get them there.

For a team that is laser-focused on doing things that have a positive EV and make general sense, it is puzzling why they thought that they should run with three goalies (two of which have a tragic injury history). That is not the way to go.

I guess their thought process was that even if Kochetkov was able to play regular minutes this year, they couldn't trust either Andersen or Raanta to remain healthy for the whole year. And thus, they kept both and dumped Kochetkov back to the A to accommodate. That's such a terrible way to treat your future starter, who has shown good promise as an emergency replacement before.

 

[enuffidiotsalready]

what the hell is Corey Perry doing now then?
real bizarre look and wow this is his 19th season

 

[Gabe Kupari]

what the hell is Corey Perry doing now then?
real bizarre look and wow this is his 19th season

Yes what exactly is up there

Said it all along, helle is the guy I'd sign over everyone on this team. He's our elite player and NJ Carolina probably are wishing they offered what Chevy wanted

 

[Stumbledore]

Okay can someone explain this to me. So Paul Maurice called the Panthers performance last night "horse crap" (paraphrase).

The general consensus among everyone is that Paul Maurice never calls out his team and always presents things as super positive as he did here in Winnipeg. Was this an aberration? Or does this leads ceedence to thet thought that Paul Maurice didn't call out the Jets players because he felt that the team wouldn't respond. And perhaps in Florida the player dynamic are different and Maurice thinks and more tough love approach can be used there?

I just think it's kind of frustrating that he does that with the Panthers and he either never did here or did it very rarely when the Jets played just as bad.

Well, you did see the reaction here from out team at season's end when Bones denounced their lack of pushback.

 

[SUX2BU]

No goalie hugs today
Rags beat broons 7-4

Jack Edwards is terrible

 

[macmaroon]

No goalie hugs today
Rags beat broons 7-4

Jack Edwards is terrible

My sister asked what was wrong with him. He...announces...so...strangely...

 

[SUX2BU]

My sister asked what was wrong with him. He...announces...so...strangely...

John Wayne syndrome there …… pilgrim

 

[KingBogo]

Reminds me of this recent thread I wrote: Link

Connor Hellebuyck has been a consistently elite workhorse goaltender for years now. He is a technical goalie who relies on positioning rather than the agile floppers, the latter type who degrade in their 30s.

The Winnipeg Jets had underperformed for a few years and Hellebuyck was adamant about playing for a serious Stanley Cup contender. It is extremely rare for an elite goaltender to be made available. Michael Russo of The Athletic said that the New Jersey Devils, alongside the Buffalo Sabres, were unwilling to pay the Winnipeg Jets the massive cost they were looking for in a potential Connor Hellebuyck trade. Was that the right choice?

Let's look at some of the potential goaltender needy teams from this offseason:

Buffalo Sabres

Buffalo is on a frightful drought of having missed the playoffs since their 2010-2011 season. Over recent years, they had accumulated some impressive young talent, some superstar quality, and were emerging. They were close to qualifying last season but their starting goaltender, Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen posted a 3.61 GAA and .891 save %. The only other competent goaltender was 41 year old Craig Anderson but he finally retired.

Should Buffalo have made the massive goaltending upgrade to break the drought and help propel this young, star studded team into the playoffs and Cup contention?

Buffalo fans were adamant that Devon Levi was The Chosen One and they had no need to spend assets on Hellebuyck. How is Levi doing this year? 3.66 GAA 0.879 save %. YIKES! No surprise that Buffalo is a sub .500 team.

Did Buffalo make a mistake passing on this opportunity?

New Jersey Devils

The Devils finished 3rd overall, powered by their many young stars. They were similar to Buffalo except their defense was stronger to carry its mediocre goaltenders (which eventually collapsed in the playoffs). New Jersey turned over their defense to younger players, adding more pressure on its sub-par goalies. Was that a winning decision to build on its massive prior season?

This season, Vanecek is posting a 3.44 GAA and .886 save %. Schmid is posting similar miserable numbers: 3.46 GAA and .885 save %. What was once an elite team has fallen to the second worst squad in the Eastern Conference.

Did New Jersey make a mistake passing on this opportunity?

Edmonton Oilers

The Oilers made a big bet with Jack Campbell and it blew up in their face last year. Fortunately, unproven Stuart Skinner saved their regular season but when it came to the playoffs, he flopped and was replaced in a few games by Campbell.

We have been told that 2023-24 season is "The Year" for the Oilers. Stanley Cup or Bust! But were they serious by going to war with Campbell and Skinner again?

Campbell has completely lost his game and has been banished to the AHL. Skinner has posted a 3.66 GAA and .865 save %. The Oilers have sunk to 5-12-1 and fired their head coach and are desperate to figure out how to salvage the season.

Did the Oilers make a mistake in not upgrading their goaltending this offseason?

Summary

Many fan bases said that you no longer need a solid #1 goaltender to be successful and they point out the success that Vegas had last season. If any of you actually watched the playoffs, Vegas just absolutely destroyed any opposition goaltender and they could have put a pilon in net and still be successful. It's not a formula that would have wide spread success.

To those fans that dismissed the notion of paying the cost to secure an elite goaltender, are you now reconsidering your stance given the blight of your seasons to date?

I question how much Helly was actually on the market. I'm guessing Chevy said I'm always willing to listen to offers, but when lowball offers came in the response was not nearly enough and let me know if you are ever serious about one of our players. When no serious offers materialized he went out to convince Helly and Scheifele we are in this to win and we want you to be main parts of the future.

 

[bustamente]

I'm sure many an executive heard in the off season that Helle wanted to play for a contender thinking that Winnipeg was not in that position at the time and they might be able to pick him up for a song, or maybe even wait for him to become a UFA and pounce. An offer that would blow Chevy away if Chevy was even shopping him never materialized and there chance for him as a UFA is now long gone.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Reminds me of this recent thread I wrote: Link

Connor Hellebuyck has been a consistently elite workhorse goaltender for years now. He is a technical goalie who relies on positioning rather than the agile floppers, the latter type who degrade in their 30s.

The Winnipeg Jets had underperformed for a few years and Hellebuyck was adamant about playing for a serious Stanley Cup contender. It is extremely rare for an elite goaltender to be made available. Michael Russo of The Athletic said that the New Jersey Devils, alongside the Buffalo Sabres, were unwilling to pay the Winnipeg Jets the massive cost they were looking for in a potential Connor Hellebuyck trade. Was that the right choice?

Let's look at some of the potential goaltender needy teams from this offseason:

Buffalo Sabres

Buffalo is on a frightful drought of having missed the playoffs since their 2010-2011 season. Over recent years, they had accumulated some impressive young talent, some superstar quality, and were emerging. They were close to qualifying last season but their starting goaltender, Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen posted a 3.61 GAA and .891 save %. The only other competent goaltender was 41 year old Craig Anderson but he finally retired.

Should Buffalo have made the massive goaltending upgrade to break the drought and help propel this young, star studded team into the playoffs and Cup contention?

Buffalo fans were adamant that Devon Levi was The Chosen One and they had no need to spend assets on Hellebuyck. How is Levi doing this year? 3.66 GAA 0.879 save %. YIKES! No surprise that Buffalo is a sub .500 team.

Did Buffalo make a mistake passing on this opportunity?

New Jersey Devils

The Devils finished 3rd overall, powered by their many young stars. They were similar to Buffalo except their defense was stronger to carry its mediocre goaltenders (which eventually collapsed in the playoffs). New Jersey turned over their defense to younger players, adding more pressure on its sub-par goalies. Was that a winning decision to build on its massive prior season?

This season, Vanecek is posting a 3.44 GAA and .886 save %. Schmid is posting similar miserable numbers: 3.46 GAA and .885 save %. What was once an elite team has fallen to the second worst squad in the Eastern Conference.

Did New Jersey make a mistake passing on this opportunity?

Edmonton Oilers

The Oilers made a big bet with Jack Campbell and it blew up in their face last year. Fortunately, unproven Stuart Skinner saved their regular season but when it came to the playoffs, he flopped and was replaced in a few games by Campbell.

We have been told that 2023-24 season is "The Year" for the Oilers. Stanley Cup or Bust! But were they serious by going to war with Campbell and Skinner again?

Campbell has completely lost his game and has been banished to the AHL. Skinner has posted a 3.66 GAA and .865 save %. The Oilers have sunk to 5-12-1 and fired their head coach and are desperate to figure out how to salvage the season.

Did the Oilers make a mistake in not upgrading their goaltending this offseason?

Summary

Many fan bases said that you no longer need a solid #1 goaltender to be successful and they point out the success that Vegas had last season. If any of you actually watched the playoffs, Vegas just absolutely destroyed any opposition goaltender and they could have put a pilon in net and still be successful. It's not a formula that would have wide spread success.

To those fans that dismissed the notion of paying the cost to secure an elite goaltender, are you now reconsidering your stance given the blight of your seasons to date?

Lots of this fanbase said that you don't need a #1 Vezina goalie...

 

[DRW204]

I question how much Helly was actually on the market. I'm guessing Chevy said I'm always willing to listen to offers, but when lowball offers came in the response was not nearly enough and let me know if you are ever serious about one of our players. When no serious offers materialized he went out to convince Helly and Scheifele we are in this to win and we want you to be main parts of the future.

agreed. it's like some big "gotcha" from some Jets fans that X didn't end up making a move for Helle.

all through the off-season the communication around this team - organization & players - was to win and compete-now.... Helle is one of the key play on accomplishing that.

anyway as far as off-season fit i thought LA would have been better served trying to trade for a goalie like Helle, as opposed to PLD. clear vet-laden, win-now team with a solid Fwd and D group. they went w/ Talbot and surprisingly has outplayed Helle so far this season.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

agreed. it's like some big "gotcha" from some Jets fans that X didn't end up making a move for Helle.

all through the off-season the communication around this team - organization & players - was to win and compete-now.... Helle is one of the key play on accomplishing that.

anyway as far as off-season fit i thought LA would have been better served trying to trade for a goalie like Helle, as opposed to PLD. clear vet-laden, win-now team with a solid Fwd and D group. they went w/ Talbot and surprisingly has outplayed Helle so far this season.

Helle for Iafallo, Vilardi, Kupari and a pick still would have been seen as a 'win' on here... and we would be pumping DD and Milic's tires

 

[DRW204]

Lots of this fanbase said that you don't need a #1 Vezina goalie...

since the cap-era started (2005) there's been 2 vezina winners that have won the cup for a total of 3x. those 2 goalies being vas & thomas, excluding 43-year old hasek who got usurped by osgood during those POs. it def helps but not absolutely necessary. esp. when goaltending in the POs can be a lot about who gets hot (or cold) at the right time.