I mean he's hit 60 once in his career and has wrist issues. He also dissapears in the playoffs. I wouldn't call this close to a steal. Mackinnon is the better player and got over a half million less.
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I mean he's hit 60 once in his career and has wrist issues. He also dissapears in the playoffs. I wouldn't call this close to a steal. Mackinnon is the better player and got over a half million less.
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An early exit for the Leafs and those fans cheering this deal with be calling for him to be traded before the deal kicks in
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I don't think I ever suggested its a steal. I am aware he hit 60 once before but I'm not going to expect 60 every year for him. That's otherworldly and all-time status.
40-50 goals/yr is probably a fair expectation for Matthews, and that by itself is an expectation or benchmark not many players have.
Yes I'd say 45 goals give or take is fair. His goals are nice but I wouldn't put him top 5 in the league as a player imo and yet he will be the top paid one.
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If he wasn't wearing a Maple Leafs logo people wouldn't be criticizing the deal. It's great for both sides.
For Matthews and his agent? Agreed
I wouldn't as hes not a top 5 player imo but is being paid as the top player in the league.
But hey it's great for Mathews and I really have no issue with a player using his leverage to extract as much as possible. With Toronto they failed to use theirs the first time around with him.
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It’s interesting deal. This will take him to 30 years old. Leafs were totally screwed without him so they didn’t have allot of choice. The concern I would have is with Matthews health. I assume he is fine but that wrist has given him problems.
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Personally i think he's a little overrated because he's a Leaf .
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Leafs have failed to extract any type of value from the contracts of their star players. It is amazing really how their Big 4 did not give the Leafs an inch either on AAV or in term. The AAV would be fine if it was an 8 year contract. For just a 4 year contract you'd hope to get the AAV down a bit. I expect this just encourages Nylander's demands.
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Interesting way of paying him. I really need someone to explain how paying a player in all signing bonuses is better than just paying it all in salary. The cap hit is the same, so why? Something to do with taxes?
I know historically the Jets are against having large signing bonuses, and I know the signing bonuses still get paid out if there is a work stoppage which I guess could happen when the current CBA ends but that's not until 2025-26....but what are the other reasons?
Interesting way of paying him. I really need someone to explain how paying a player in all signing bonuses is better than just paying it all in salary. The cap hit is the same, so why? Something to do with taxes?
I know historically the Jets are against having large signing bonuses, and I know the signing bonuses still get paid out if there is a work stoppage which I guess could happen when the current CBA ends but that's not until 2025-26....but what are the other reasons?
Better for investing, you get all the cash upfront and can lock it in right away. Compound interest baby!
I'm sure there are also tax implications as well. Not sure if his bonus will be taxed in full in his area of residence when he receives it.
They also get paid their SB on the specified date (typically July 1st), regardless of whether they play or not. This also makes their contract "lock-out-proof" as they would be paid the bulk of their salary before any job action/employer lock out during a negotiating year.
Question about Auston Matthew's deal. If he were to get hurt and go on LTIR, what would the relief be for the team, his 750K+ salary or the full cap hit with the signing bonus? Just curious...
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I believe its his full cap hit
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tbcwpg
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his GAR, XGAR, xGF or xGFAR though? That'll determine if he is good or not
I mean every superstar is underpaid by his model. Crosby, McDavid, Mackinnon, Makar etc. So one has to wonder how much value there is in it.
Edit: There is also the little tidbit that only one player making >15% of the cap (Crosby) has won a cup in the cap era. That right there is a major Asterix against his model and players making that much providing surplus value for these monster AAV deals.
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Model aside, what freaking maniac thinks $16.7 million is fair for Matthews? Yikes.
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I think the model reflects more that players who are less productive are overpaid and less that superstar players are underpaid.
Will this be >15% when the deal kicks in? Cap is supposed to increase, so we'll see. I know you don't think he's a top 5 player in the league, I disagree, but I do think that this amount of money is fair. I'd rather pay more to players that consistently score 100+ points than overpay some middle 6 guy.
In a vacuum sure but if these massive deals were providing the value these models say they are we'd see plenty more cup wins. It looks like quality depth with stars making in around 9-10 million wins in this league and the goal is to win after all.
But at some point we may see the total elimination of the NHL's middle class and these deals become palatable.
Edit: Even if the cap rises by $4 million next year he'd still be above 15% of it and this puts more ammunition in Marners camp for next summer.
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