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Hope they go on a nice 5 game losing streak

Anyone actually know if their underlying numbers are good or if they are unsustainable?
Well they are benefiting from a good schedule ... 4 of their wins came from teams playing B2B or 3 games in 4 nights. They have a nice schedule for January too but come February to April they will be playing lots of B2B and 3 games in 4 nights so that should be the telling tale if the Oilers are for real.
 
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1. Never, ever use playoff results to measure team success.
2. Get a coach that plays a defensive system that adequately supports the goaltender.
3. Adjust whatever pieces you need to maintain said system / don't mess with a working system.
4. If available, look for goalies with a positive GSAx ratio over a longer time period.

That gets you most of the way to the promised land. That's pretty much what Boston has done - the team has been rock solid for a decade, and they've hardly ever suffered from bad goaltending. The transition from Rask to Ullmark (to Swayman) has been managed nicely, in part due to a team that has made their goalies' jobs much easier.

Another example would be the Isles in 2017-19: run-and-gun style of hockey got them some of the worst goaltending in the cap era in 2017-18, but when Trotz stepped in the year after, the team became one of the better defensive performers in the league. Thomas Greiss literally went from being a total non-option in net in 2017-18 to a top 5 goalie in the league in 18-19. That wasn't an accident.

Of course, not every goalie is going to thrive even in the best of systems. But if you increase the likelihood of that happening, you'll spend less time looking for new solutions. That's precisely what Edmonton and Toronto are struggling with now: their teams don't help their goalies, so bad goaltending ends up hurting them noticeably.

We are in a fortunate position with Hellebuyck. His career low has been 0.153 goals allowed above expectation per 60 minutes, which is just stupidly good for a goalie playing in his ninth season. If your low point was your first year as a starter behind an atrocious defensive team, and it still wasn't even unplayable by any means, you're a true star.

Out of current star goalies, only Sorokin and Shesterkin have been better (both with four seasons played), and looking at retired goalies, the two most relevant comparables are probably the veeeery mediocre Tuukka Rask and Henrik Lundqvist. Helle could well be the best of his generation.
Idk what to tell you if you don't beleive PO success matters.

Dunno what to tell you about the rest of your post. I agree? You're going on posting obvious shit. Defense matters, system matters, Helle is excellent. Thanks I guess?

The point was few goalies you can rely upon most years. Helle, Shesterkin and Sorokin are some of those few. None of those teams are looking to get rid of them. So, other teams have to look at other options or take chances on journeyman or no name guys.
 
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And the hockey is friggin awful, equivalent to AA U15

Looks more like middle tier CIS to me, maybe lower level U18 prep or AAA. The NYC/Tor game on right now has also been a lot more physical than I've seen from the previous incarnations of pro women's hockey.

Did Cheryl Pounder completely stop covering NHL to call PWHA games? It'd be a shame if she did, she was definitely one of the better analysts in Canada. I swear I remember hearing that she had and there were a bunch of panelists and personalities thanking her but maybe it was someone else :dunno:
 
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The players wanted more physical play but no big open ice hits etc.. I think it adds to the game and makes it more exciting to watch.

its pretty close to Midget AAA in skill level but you got to remember that these women top at what 130 pounds or so. You can have some big kids in the 200 range at Midget and that is where the inequality comes from
 
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Looks more like middle tier CIS to me, maybe lower level U18 prep or AAA. The NYC/Tor game on right now has also been a lot more physical than I've seen from the previous incarnations of pro women's hockey.

Did Cheryl Pounder completely stop covering NHL to call PWHA games? It'd be a shame if she did, she was definitely one of the better analysts in Canada. I swear I remember hearing that she had and there were a bunch of panelists and personalities thanking her but maybe it was someone else :dunno:
I think the games will improve as the players play together more too. I don’t think they have much in the way of chemistry or systems yet, weren’t the teams recently put together?
 
Idk what to tell you if you don't beleive PO success matters.

Dunno what to tell you about the rest of your post. I agree? You're going on posting obvious shit. Defense matters, system matters, Helle is excellent. Thanks I guess?

The point was few goalies you can rely upon most years. Helle, Shesterkin and Sorokin are some of those few. None of those teams are looking to get rid of them. So, other teams have to look at other options or take chances on journeyman or no name guys.
It doesn't. A seven-game series means absolutely nothing when measuring how good a team (and its goaltending) is. Aaaaabsolutely f*** all. I don't doubt that the average Joe doesn't get it, but it's hilarious that there are actual GMs who fail to see that.

As for the rest, you asked what the correct approach is. I answered. Surprised? Get the best system possible to make sure that your goalie isn't posting .860 behind a tragic defense and ruining your season, and then try to acquire goalies who have historically saved more goals than they have faced xG against. It's not easy to get them (and nearly impossible w/r/t the elite goalies mentioned), but it's simple.

You could argue that the tricky part is to get the right coach.
 
I think the games will improve as the players play together more too. I don’t think they have much in the way of chemistry or systems yet, weren’t the teams recently put together?

I think a lot of them have played together. There's a relatively small pool of players compared to the NHL which technically can pull from both men and women. A pro league that has staying power will hopefully grow that pool and continue to elevate the overall play though.
 
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Trade deadline is going to be very interesting. Nobody has cap space. There are only 3 teams in a playoff spot at the moment with current cap space of 3 million or more(Carolina, Arizona, Nashville). There are 17 TEAMS into LTIR, all with projected cap hits of 83 million and up(97 million for Toronto lol).
 
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It doesn't. A seven-game series means absolutely nothing when measuring how good a team (and its goaltending) is. Aaaaabsolutely f*** all. I don't doubt that the average Joe doesn't get it, but it's hilarious that there are actual GMs who fail to see that.

As for the rest, you asked what the correct approach is. I answered. Surprised? Get the best system possible to make sure that your goalie isn't posting .860 behind a tragic defense and ruining your season, and then try to acquire goalies who have historically saved more goals than they have faced xG against. It's not easy to get them (and nearly impossible w/r/t the elite goalies mentioned), but it's simple.

You could argue that the tricky part is to get the right coach.
No the tricky part is getting all the players on the same page ... its called team chemistry.
One thing all the retired vets who won the Stanley Cup ALL say ... "everyone got along so great."
 
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Looks more like middle tier CIS to me, maybe lower level U18 prep or AAA. The NYC/Tor game on right now has also been a lot more physical than I've seen from the previous incarnations of pro women's hockey.

Did Cheryl Pounder completely stop covering NHL to call PWHA games? It'd be a shame if she did, she was definitely one of the better analysts in Canada. I swear I remember hearing that she had and there were a bunch of panelists and personalities thanking her but maybe it was someone else :dunno:
BS, any 15-16 boys teams would destroy them!
 
It doesn't. A seven-game series means absolutely nothing when measuring how good a team (and its goaltending) is. Aaaaabsolutely f*** all. I don't doubt that the average Joe doesn't get it, but it's hilarious that there are actual GMs who fail to see that.

As for the rest, you asked what the correct approach is. I answered. Surprised? Get the best system possible to make sure that your goalie isn't posting .860 behind a tragic defense and ruining your season, and then try to acquire goalies who have historically saved more goals than they have faced xG against. It's not easy to get them (and nearly impossible w/r/t the elite goalies mentioned), but it's simple.

You could argue that the tricky part is to get the right coach.
yeah for sure..... actual GMs really are totally don't understand that the Stanley Cup that is awarded at the end of the POs means f*** all. you're right.

no, the OP i responded to is regarding Toronto not being able to get consistent goalie. my response - for the most part , there's only a few goalies that provide consistently great to elite goaltending that you can rely upon each year and the teams that have them are not letting them go. there's teams that are successful w/o elite goalies, and some that aren't. it's the overall team that matters (duhh).

Samsonov was a top-10 GA vs xGA goalie last season for instance (great), but isn't this year (boo). Demko or Gibson (great) is this year - but wasn't last (boo). teams may have to take chances on lesser names or journeyman guys , or live with the inconsistencies b/c the consistently great guys like shesterkin, helle, or sorokin for instance are not getting moved.

there's teams that have elite goaltenders that win, & there's some that don't have elite goaltenders or more of the journey-man guys that win. there is no one set approach to build a team to win in the p̵l̵a̵y̵o̵f̵f̵s̵... sorry i mean regular season.
 
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BS, any 15-16 boys teams would destroy them!

There's some really bad U15 AAA teams and at that age group not every player is going to be any bigger than a fully grown woman. Team Canada generally practiced against U-sports and decent U18 AAA teams, the PWHL isn't spreading talent that thin with 6 teams.
 
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