Around the NHL 10 - 2022/23

[cbcwpg]

If you did a survey ... 99.9% of the players if they were given the choice would play in tax free warm weather Vegas than in Winnipeg.

If you did a survey... my guess is over 80% of the players, if they were given the choice, would play in tax free warm weather Vegas than in almost every other city in the NHL. This is why people are just going to have to get used to Vegas being a perpetual really good team. They have an unlimited supply of players.

 

[tbcwpg]

If you did a survey... my guess is over 80% of the players, if they were given the choice, would play in tax free warm weather Vegas than in almost every other city in the NHL. This is why people are just going to have to get used to Vegas being a perpetual really good team. They have an unlimited supply of players.

Dave Poulin was on WST last week and said "The teams that are successful are the ones willing to take risks and make big moves for superstars, look at Vegas and Florida", and Hustler pointed out to him that all those guys those teams "took a risk on" wanted to go there specifically.

 

[tbcwpg]

 

[DRW204]

Wtf
I haven't watched a lick of this guy. How good is he?

Dillon retained for 1 year should have real good value if they view samberg as a top4d this year

 

[tbcwpg]

Wtf
I haven't watched a lick of this guy. How good is he?

Dillon retained for 1 year should have real good value if they view samberg as a top4d this year

 

[Gm0ney]

If you did a survey ... 99.9% of the players if they were given the choice would play in tax free warm weather Vegas than in Winnipeg.

Yeah, me too. But 75% of players don't have any trade protection and probably 80% of players who do play in Winnipeg find out it's actually not a terrible place to live.

I guess in terms of UFA signings it kept us out of the Pietrangelo and Phil Kessel Sweepstakes that Vegas won (?)

 

[tbcwpg]

Yeah, me too. But 75% of players don't have any trade protection and probably 80% of players who do play in Winnipeg find out it's actually not a terrible place to live.

I guess in terms of UFA signings it kept us out of the Pietrangelo and Phil Kessel Sweepstakes that Vegas won (?)

I think players have a bit more say than just NTCs. Mark Stone had no NTC when he was traded in 2019 but the story is that he chose Vegas. Tkachuk gave Calgary a list of teams last summer. I wouldn't be surprised to hear Eichel did similar when he was moved. Even Trouba had no NTC but still had only one destination in mind.

So you can get the guys like Neiderreiter via trade with no protection but to get the real game changers, you still have to hope you can develop them and then convince them to stick around.

 

[Buffdog]

Yeah, me too. But 75% of players don't have any trade protection and probably 80% of players who do play in Winnipeg find out it's actually not a terrible place to live.

I guess in terms of UFA signings it kept us out of the Pietrangelo and Phil Kessel Sweepstakes that Vegas won (?)

The reason the players that have trade protection do is because they are better players and have leverage in contract negotiations

So even though most don't, they aren't the difference makers on teams

 

[B33R LEAGUE]

 

[B33R LEAGUE]

If you did a survey... my guess is over 80% of the players, if they were given the choice, would play in tax free warm weather Vegas than in almost every other city in the NHL. This is why people are just going to have to get used to Vegas being a perpetual really good team. They have an unlimited supply of players.

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if a Winnipeg hometown NHLer chose b when offered a choice between:

a) Winnipeg at 5x5y

or

b) Vegas at 3x5y

 

[Hobble]

Dave Poulin was on WST last week and said "The teams that are successful are the ones willing to take risks and make big moves for superstars, look at Vegas and Florida", and Hustler pointed out to him that all those guys those teams "took a risk on" wanted to go there specifically.

Yeah, it’s hard for Chevy to gamble when he is getting turned away at 90% of casinos’ doors.

 

[tbcwpg]

Yeah, it’s hard for Chevy to gamble when he is getting turned away at 90% of casinos’ doors.

The issue Chevy faces that most other NHL GMs face is that, while, as Poulin pointed out after that quote I posted of his, that you have to try to get younger guys without NTCs in your trades. That's very difficult right now, especially in a flat cap era, where teams aren't that interested in giving up younger, contributing cost controlled assets. That's also kicking the can down the road since any of those players with talent are doing the slow roll to UFA which limits the actual window you have with them.

 

[Cnile]

I’m wondering why Chipman bothered with a new franchise if NOBODY wants to play here.
I think this is over stated as many players have signed long term and others have waived to come here.
Bottom line get it done Cheveldayoff.
And before anyone says overpaying, how about Toronto and the Tavares hometown “discount “ lol

 

[DRW204]

The issue Chevy faces that most other NHL GMs face is that, while, as Poulin pointed out after that quote I posted of his, that you have to try to get younger guys without NTCs in your trades. That's very difficult right now, especially in a flat cap era, where teams aren't that interested in giving up younger, contributing cost controlled assets. That's also kicking the can down the road since any of those players with talent are doing the slow roll to UFA which limits the actual window you have with them.

Idk you look at some of the players who were rumored to be on the block or legit moved or selected in expansion over the years sans NTC /NMC and it seems like there's deals to be had.
I think they need to find their versions of McCann, Dunn, Sprong, Marino, Montour, Verhaeghae, Hagel, Forsling, Toews, Nichushkin, Lehkonen, Bunting, Stephenson etc.

Unheralded, lower-market value names but can produce strongly especially given their cost.

This is the player market where imo I think the Jets need to be one of the most active teams in the nhl. Demelo was a good one that would fit the bill. Of course they need to draft/develop better along with this too.

 

[tbcwpg]

Idk you look at some of the players who were rumored to be on the block or legit moved or selected in expansion over the years sans NTC /NMC and it seems like there's deals to be had.
I think they need to find their versions of McCann, Dunn, Sprong, Marino, Montour, Verhaeghae, Hagel, Forsling, Toews, Nichushkin, Lehkonen, Bunting, Stephenson etc.

Unheralded, lower-market value names but can produce strongly especially given their cost.

This is the player market where imo I think the Jets need to be one of the most active teams in the nhl. Demelo was a good one that would fit the bill. Of course they need to draft/develop better along with this too.

I do think the Jets need to find a few more of those players you listed, but they aren't the superstar pieces that these championship level teams have. He's found DeMelo, as you mentioned. Neiderreiter was a great move too.

Those players also cost draft assets for the most part as well. It's a tough balance to get right. I know a couple of those guys were PTO types but from how I've seen the Jets deploy their players I'm not sure someone like Sprong would've had the same kind of season here as he did in Seattle.

 

[DRW204]

I do think the Jets need to find a few more of those players you listed, but they aren't the superstar pieces that these championship level teams have. He's found DeMelo, as you mentioned. Neiderreiter was a great move too.

Those players also cost draft assets for the most part as well. It's a tough balance to get right. I know a couple of those guys were PTO types but from how I've seen the Jets deploy their players I'm not sure someone like Sprong would've had the same kind of season here as he did in Seattle.

Niederreiter I think used to be one of those guys. But he's pretty well known now with a couple bigger ticket UFA deals.

Yes stars or fully established top end players seldom become available. They'll have to draft those players or perhaps they're really one of those unheralded guys that can become one (Carter Verhaeghae for instance) . But Vegas, Florida are both full of those types of players too. Zito did a great job acquiring those players over the past couple years.

I do agree unsure if sprong has that type of season here. at the minimum I think he produces better than what we had at bottom-6 wing and the risk is peanuts? How this team deploys players is a potential whole other issue too.

 

[ERYX]

I’m wondering why Chipman bothered with a new franchise if NOBODY wants to play here.
I think this is over stated as many players have signed long term and others have waived to come here.
Bottom line get it done Cheveldayoff.
And before anyone says overpaying, how about Toronto and the Tavares hometown “discount “ lol

I am starting to wonder if its more the (apparent) locker room issues that is keeping people away more than the city itself in recent years? I'm sure players talk, and I'm sure they can see what we see.

Combine that with Chevy's extreme conservativism and it's not a great recipe for change or improving the team. I have defended Chevy and liked his work up until the last few years. Now I think we need a new GM to shake this franchise up and move it forward instead of continuing to tread water as we have for 4/5 seasons now.

 

[tbcwpg]

I am starting to wonder if its more the (apparent) locker room issues that is keeping people away more than the city itself in recent years? I'm sure players talk, and I'm sure they can see what we see.

Combine that with Chevy's extreme conservativism and it's not a great recipe for change or improving the team. I have defended Chevy and liked his work up until the last few years. Now I think we need a new GM to shake this franchise up and move it forward instead of continuing to tread water as we have for 4/5 seasons now.

I don't think so, apart from Laine. Dubois has been rumoured to want Montreal since before he got here, Trouba went to where his wife was. It doesn't feel like it's anti-Winnipeg as much as players prefer another destination. Calgary has experienced this with both Tkachuk and Gaudreau.

 

[ERYX]

I don't think so, apart from Laine. Dubois has been rumoured to want Montreal since before he got here, Trouba went to where his wife was. It doesn't feel like it's anti-Winnipeg as much as players prefer another destination. Calgary has experienced this with both Tkachuk and Gaudreau.

I was thinking more of difficulty in attracting UFAs or being a place on NTC vs people wanting out once here. But otherwise I agree with what you say.

 

[tbcwpg]

I was thinking more of difficulty in attracting UFAs or being a place on NTC vs people wanting out once here. But otherwise I agree with what you say.

Oh, UFA and NTC placement? That's 100% Winnipeg and not any locker room stuff. Neiderreiter said recently what other players have - you have to play here to appreciate it otherwise you think it's the stretch from the Fairmont to the arena.

 

[SCP Guy]

I was thinking more of difficulty in attracting UFAs or being a place on NTC vs people wanting out once here. But otherwise I agree with what you say.

Nah I think it is a Winnipeg thing.....If I was a 26 year old UFA worth millions and had 10 offers to make millions more from major destinations all around North America, I would have Winnipeg at the bottom of the list also.

 

[Stumbledore]

If you did a survey... my guess is over 80% of the players, if they were given the choice, would play in tax free warm weather Vegas than in almost every other city in the NHL.

And if you did a survey, my guess is over 100% of the players coming out of junior would love to play ANYWHERE in the NHL.

 

[macmaroon]

And before anyone says overpaying, how about Toronto and the Tavares hometown “discount “ lol

Maybe that's why we don't sign any big name Manitobans, their hometown discount is just too much...

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Either you all are some single men or you are with someone who is from Winnipeg

I know 3 guys personally that played minor pro in the states. Met their wives from Indiana, Michigan and South Carolina. Went on to marry them and have children. There wives went to live close to family in Indiana, Michigan and South Carolina while there husbands chased their dreams and when it was over they didn't move back to Friendly Manitoba they all moved to Indiana, Michigan and South Carolina to live with their families who built a life there

 

[ERYX]

Oh, UFA and NTC placement? That's 100% Winnipeg and not any locker room stuff. Neiderreiter said recently what other players have - you have to play here to appreciate it otherwise you think it's the stretch from the Fairmont to the arena.

Nah I think it is a Winnipeg thing.....If I was a 26 year old UFA worth millions and had 10 offers to make millions more from major destinations all around North America, I would have Winnipeg at the bottom of the list also.

Yeah, I guess you guys are right. I grew up in Winnipeg so I know what it's like ... but the city definitely has an unfair reputation. It's way better than it's reputation, but I can't expect young guys who've never been here and are making millions.

And if you did a survey, my guess is over 100% of the players coming out of junior would love to play ANYWHERE in the NHL.

Yeah this is why I really think the Jets need to go with a Vegas ('17/'18) and Seattle model, with a full lineup of 2nd/3rd liners, no big stars. Guys who just want to play and prove themselves, no primadonnas. We know this recipe works, I think Seattle proved VGK wasn't just a fluke.