Around the NHL — Episode XLXVII

[Golden_Jet]

Ottawa (If they miss this year) will be tied for #3 or #4 all time

No they won’t

Longest NHL Playoffs Droughts, Active and All-Time

Full list of the longest streaks in which a team didn't make the hockey playoffs, both of currently active teams and all time in hockey history.

champsorchumps.us

 

[PlayOn]

Do the Rangers have a culture problem? An exclusive look at what's bubbling at MSG

A series of events created friction that has now penetrated the Blueshirts' locker room and coincided with the team's worst results in years.

www.lohud.com

Bad ownership ruining another team. Interesting parallel to us in a lot of ways, with Sather keeping Dolan in check/Murray keeping Melnyk in check and Drury/Pierre doing their bidding once they were gone.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Do the Rangers have a culture problem? An exclusive look at what's bubbling at MSG

A series of events created friction that has now penetrated the Blueshirts' locker room and coincided with the team's worst results in years.

www.lohud.com

Bad ownership ruining another team. Interesting parallel to us in a lot of ways, with Sather keeping Dolan in check/Murray keeping Melnyk in check and Drury/Pierre doing their bidding once they were gone.

At least they have money to spend though. It's more like a half comparable. Senators situation was both insane owner, and being unwilling to spend as required. Double whammy disaster.

 

[PlayOn]

At least they have money to spend though. It's more like a half comparable. Senators situation was both insane owner, and being unwilling to spend as required. Double whammy disaster.

Yeah for sure. It’s also NY, they’ll be fine - players will be begging to play there anyway. But hopefully for this year it keeps them out of a playoff spot.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Yeah for sure. It’s also NY, they’ll be fine - players will be begging to play there anyway. But hopefully for this year it keeps them out of a playoff spot.

For sure. There's some advantages they can lean in to and they'll ultimately be fine.

I find the whole debacle a little silly. Players are up in arms about these tactics, but I don't see them waiving their NTC's and NMC's when they demand trades. Seems fair to me.

 

[Xspyrit]

People shouldn’t be surprised at the return. Draft pedigree only takes you so far. Look at what guys like Puljujarvi, Filatov, Yakupov, etc. returned.

This is Kakko’s 6th season. He is what he is. And what he is is a younger, slightly premium version of Mike Amadio.

A useful player on your 3rd or 4th line. But that’s it. 14-15 minutes a night, won’t hurt you, but not a difference maker.

I think we need to look for a winger for Stu, but Kakko was definitely not the guy.

Kakko is a much much better version of Mike Amadio. The only reason there's a negative aura around him is because of draft position. The guy has averaged 33 pts per 82 games (mostly at ES) in the NHL despite starting at 18 y/o and being still only 23 y/o. Amadio is a 4th liner who was in a very good situation in Vegas, which got him a nice "retirement contract" and we fell for it. Kakko is not a bust/semi-bust like the guys you mentioned.

Kakko - Stutzle - Batherson would have been good but hard to break the Chuck Norris bath line

This is wild...two trades today and the only name I recognize is Kakko. Feels like half the names in this league changed over the last 2-3 seasons. Hard to keep up these days.

Carrier and Borgen have been solidly in the NHL for years. I think the reason you don't know them is because they play out West and were 4th round picks, not promoted like 1st or even 2nd round picks.

Speaking of that, another damn team helping out the Habs. Yes Carrier makes more than Barron but JB is completely useless. Carrier was very solid in his rookie season and a move like this could help him rebound nicely.

You have to keep in mind that unless we have an indication that we are going to be able to remain in LTI, we can probably only make one more big acquisition this season without moving a skater. That's assuming we can dump Forsberg to Carolina without taking back cap.

So while Kakko might be a good gamble for a 3rd, if we go after Kakko then we are a lot less likely to be able to add a D.

Why would we want to add a D before a forward? We need to remove one and his name makes think of a gin tonic with a ham taste. Also Zub needs to be healthy (or be moved). But to add depth, go after a cheap guy whop can move the puck. I would say a Brannstrom but it seems that we are infatuated with size, so anybody else that is bigger.

Hate to do this but Greig for Peterka?

I like Greig more than most but can't see the Sabres doing that. JJP scored 27 goals in his rookie season.

NO.. I am worried that are two best players are:

Jensen 34/35
Ulmark 31

Not that I usually understand your posts, but this jumped at me. 31 y/o is the age most goalies PEAK. And Jensen while rebounding very nicely this season, is NOT our best player lol. The guy has been a #4 or #5 D-man his whole career and is now 34 y/o

Our 2 expected best players by a comfortable margin are 22 y/o, please stop this non-sense.

 

[darude]

I doubt the Rangers were gonna trade Kakko anywhere in the east, even if they had to take a worse offer.

 

[Ouroboros]

He's back, baby.

 

[StoicSensFan]

He's back, baby.

How many comebacks is this now?

 

[Tuna99]

How many comebacks is this now?

A comeback is like restablishing who you once were, Murray just puts the jersey and then stinks the place out

 

[Micklebot]

Man, the east is starting to see the cream rise, but it's still tight. Starting to look like a three horse race for the wild card spots between Bos, Pens and Sens, but NYR, and Phi aren't that far behind.

 

[Tuna99]

Man, the east is starting to see the cream rise, but it's still tight. Starting to look like a three horse race for the wild card spots between Bos, Pens and Sens, but NYR, and Phi aren't that far behind.

Sens only 6 points away from being tops in the Atlantic.

 

[Micklebot]

Sens only 6 points away from being tops in the Atlantic.

6 pts is a big gap to close. Entirely possible at this stage of the season, but "only" is doing some heavy lifting.

 

[Tuna99]

6 pts is a big gap to close. Entirely possible at this stage of the season, but "only" is doing some heavy lifting.

Sens were 6 points out of a playoff spot 2 weeks ago. Not that big considering Matt Murray is Torontos goalie

 

[Beech]

So... stop right there. Do you really think there is only one possible explanation for these small number of failing teams? You can't possibly come up with any other cause?

I have combed through NHL. NBA, NFL, MLB, WBNA history. I am 60 years old, nearing 61. So, I have seen 46-47 years of the above sports.

I have never seen and have never come across data that points at something, as clear as this does.

I have posted about 6-7 replies. If you have the patience read through. Each has tons of information.

The pattern is undeniable, the 6-9 year period of 2015-202, has produced some of the worst failures to relaunch teams that I have ever seen. And I mean in all 5 sports. With relatively little exception, teams that have based their rebuilds on players acquired in the Gen Z era have struggled and have failed to climb.

Those that have, have done so, by abandoning the Gen Z based rebuild and traded off, and FA signed older players. The most visible example is NJ devils.

In the NBA, many teams have jettisoned recent draft picks, for veterans. Many of whom are 35 and older.

Please, take time to read my posts beginning with the first one. Where I highlight Buffalo's shortcomings. It is a few pages back.


As for other causes? All causes contribute. But often enough, there is a central one. And unless you cure it, all others become nothing more than distractions.

Steven Stamkos and Victor Heddman where 20 and 19 and in seasons 2 and 3, when they lead Tampa out of the toilette and into the 3rd round. Ditto for a whole flock of high picks from 1967-2015 (ALL SPORTS), Now see 2015 to today, all sports.

The Dream Team at Olympics (Basketball). See their ages!!! Only the 1992 team was as old, but that was different. They rewarded guys who missed out on the 1980's.

19 year old LeBron, 19 year old Kobbie, 20 year old Shak. All accomplished a ton. Now see the crop from 2015 to today. Zion hardly plays, AJ Barret, hardly plays and is a mid pack guy.

Kappo Kakko, #2 over all pick, is a bench warmer. He is 24. Bitches like a child. Is angry at the Rangers for benching him (his youth!!!! a 24 year players, considers himself young in the NHL!!!!!).

Archie Manning took a beating in NOLA and carried them on his back, His son Payton took a beating in Indie and carried them on his back... His grandson Archie, cannot get the starting job at Texas. Take a look at his Grandfather, Uncle(s) (Payton and Eli) and see their resume.

 

[BondraTime]

Pretty wild the Bruins have the 5th worst goal differential in the league with -19 and are sitting with 38 points 15th overallk in the league.

 

[Loach]

For some reasn the scene in Spaceballs where they're combimg the desert just popped into my head.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Sens only 6 points away from being tops in the Atlantic.

Ya that’s 6 games in the win/loss differential.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Pretty wild the Bruins have the 5th worst goal differential in the league with -19 and are sitting with 38 points 15th overallk in the league.

I keep waiting for Swayman to return to form, but he had another stinker last night go right through his legs.

 

[Micklebot]

Pretty wild the Bruins have the 5th worst goal differential in the league with -19 and are sitting with 38 points 15th overallk in the league.

Seems pretty similar to Washington last year.

 

[GCK]

I have combed through NHL. NBA, NFL, MLB, WBNA history. I am 60 years old, nearing 61. So, I have seen 46-47 years of the above sports.

I have never seen and have never come across data that points at something, as clear as this does.

I have posted about 6-7 replies. If you have the patience read through. Each has tons of information.

The pattern is undeniable, the 6-9 year period of 2015-202, has produced some of the worst failures to relaunch teams that I have ever seen. And I mean in all 5 sports. With relatively little exception, teams that have based their rebuilds on players acquired in the Gen Z era have struggled and have failed to climb.

Those that have, have done so, by abandoning the Gen Z based rebuild and traded off, and FA signed older players. The most visible example is NJ devils.

In the NBA, many teams have jettisoned recent draft picks, for veterans. Many of whom are 35 and older.

Please, take time to read my posts beginning with the first one. Where I highlight Buffalo's shortcomings. It is a few pages back.


As for other causes? All causes contribute. But often enough, there is a central one. And unless you cure it, all others become nothing more than distractions.

Steven Stamkos and Victor Heddman where 20 and 19 and in seasons 2 and 3, when they lead Tampa out of the toilette and into the 3rd round. Ditto for a whole flock of high picks from 1967-2015 (ALL SPORTS), Now see 2015 to today, all sports.

The Dream Team at Olympics (Basketball). See their ages!!! Only the 1992 team was as old, but that was different. They rewarded guys who missed out on the 1980's.

19 year old LeBron, 19 year old Kobbie, 20 year old Shak. All accomplished a ton. Now see the crop from 2015 to today. Zion hardly plays, AJ Barret, hardly plays and is a mid pack guy.

Kappo Kakko, #2 over all pick, is a bench warmer. He is 24. Bitches like a child. Is angry at the Rangers for benching him (his youth!!!! a 24 year players, considers himself young in the NHL!!!!!).

Archie Manning took a beating in NOLA and carried them on his back, His son Payton took a beating in Indie and carried them on his back... His grandson Archie, cannot get the starting job at Texas. Take a look at his Grandfather, Uncle(s) (Payton and Eli) and see their resume.

This is insane. There is zero correlation.

 

[bicboi64]

Draisaitl is an absolute beast. He's 2nd in league scoring and has just shat out like 18 points in his last 7 games. Tied for first in the league in even strength points. Hope we can slow him down on the weekend. Dude's playing at a Hart calibre, and that's with plugs as his wingers.

 

[DackellDuck]

Kakko is a much much better version of Mike Amadio. The only reason there's a negative aura around him is because of draft position. The guy has averaged 33 pts per 82 games (mostly at ES) in the NHL despite starting at 18 y/o and being still only 23 y/o. Amadio is a 4th liner who was in a very good situation in Vegas, which got him a nice "retirement contract" and we fell for it. Kakko is not a bust/semi-bust like the guys you mentioned.

Kakko - Stutzle - Batherson would have been good but hard to break the Chuck Norris bath line

I disagree. Kakko doesn’t have very good offensive instincts. Mediocre shot. He’s a below average skater. He has decent size but doesn’t use it very much.

He’s positionally sound and good in his own end, but he won’t create much for you. So IMO, the definition of a 3rd line winger. 33pts/82games isn’t impressive.

People say “if he got more PP time he’d score 20 points more” about lots of players… but most of the time they don’t get PP time for a reason.

If we’re paying assets for a winger to play with Stützle, I want someone who can shoot the puck and make an offensive play.

Kakko isn’t that.