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Around the NHL — Episode XLXVII

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BondraTime said:
Pretty wild the Bruins have the 5th worst goal differential in the league with -19 and are sitting with 38 points 15th overallk in the league.
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They've gotten a bunch of low goal wins thanks to good performances from Swayman and Korpisalo, but have also been blown out a few times thanks to bad performances from Swayman and Korpisalo.
 
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Marner is going to be a tough decision for Toronto. He just hasn't been good enough in the playoffs but this season he is dominant like I've never seen. The big question will be how he does in the playoffs.
 
Knave said:
Marner is going to be a tough decision for Toronto. He just hasn't been good enough in the playoffs but this season he is dominant like I've never seen. The big question will be how he does in the playoffs.
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If he walks for nothing they are royalty screwed - Marner has played the Cap and salary thing as well as anyone and he’ll be a Paul Kariya type for salary vs impact/playoff production

Salary going up he’ll get $11 million a year and Toronto will pay it

But it’ll hurt after Ottawa sweeps them on their own ice after Ottawa wins the Atlantic and beats Toronto i. The 1st Round
 
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Senscore said:
Relying on buffalo for anything is a nonstarter
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Thought Murray start would mean a close game. Guresed wrong. Leafs are gonna have a division spot, almost locked in at this point. Hopefully wings and rangers find a way to lose so we don’t have too much pressure that hasn’t bode well for us in the past. Need to gap these losers.
 
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Me checking the out of town scoreboard
 
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Knave said:
Marner is going to be a tough decision for Toronto. He just hasn't been good enough in the playoffs but this season he is dominant like I've never seen. The big question will be how he does in the playoffs.
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Contract year, no surprise he's lighting it up during the regular season. Nylander did the same thing last year before his big contract. But at least he does produce a bit during the playoffs.
 
Mr Hat said:
Thought Murray start would mean a close game. Guresed wrong. Leafs are gonna have a division spot, almost locked in at this point. Hopefully wings and rangers find a way to lose so we don’t have too much pressure that hasn’t bode well for us in the past. Need to gap these losers.
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Leafs are the ultimate counter punching team this year. Playing good defense getting very good goaltending and capitalizing on the other teams' mistakes. But they are very beatable.
 
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Tuna99 said:
If he walks for nothing they are royalty screwed - Marner has played the Cap and salary thing as well as anyone and he’ll be a Paul Kariya type for salary vs impact/playoff production

Salary going up he’ll get $11 million a year and Toronto will pay it

But it’ll hurt after Ottawa sweeps them on their own ice after Ottawa wins the Atlantic and beats Toronto i. The 1st Round
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If it’s leafs paying, he’ll be getting more than 11 million, he’s coming off 10.9,
 
Laine another PP goal, that's 7 in 8 games. Good, don't want the Habs to get another Top-5 pick

DackellDuck said:
I disagree. Kakko doesn’t have very good offensive instincts. Mediocre shot. He’s a below average skater. He has decent size but doesn’t use it very much.

He’s positionally sound and good in his own end, but he won’t create much for you. So IMO, the definition of a 3rd line winger. 33pts/82games isn’t impressive.

People say “if he got more PP time he’d score 20 points more” about lots of players… but most of the time they don’t get PP time for a reason.

If we’re paying assets for a winger to play with Stützle, I want someone who can shoot the puck and make an offensive play.

Kakko isn’t that.
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Disagree but you confirm what I said? I'm confused

33 pts per 82 games is good production from your 3rd line forwards, particularly if it's almost all at ES. What do you think 3rd liners usually score? It was never meant to be "impressive"

1st line : 60+ pts
2nd line : 45+ pts
3rd line 30+ pts
4th line : 10+ pts

Kakko would bring defense, IQ and puck retrieval on that line to allow Stu and Bath to express themselves offensively even more

But as I said, the other line also need Batherson so I would actually have Kakko with Greig and Pinto on the 3rd line. I would have acquired Kakko to be able to fire Amadio to the moon.
 
Tuna99 said:
If he walks for nothing they are royalty screwed - Marner has played the Cap and salary thing as well as anyone and he’ll be a Paul Kariya type for salary vs impact/playoff production

Salary going up he’ll get $11 million a year and Toronto will pay it

But it’ll hurt after Ottawa sweeps them on their own ice after Ottawa wins the Atlantic and beats Toronto i. The 1st Round
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There is only one clean solution to the Marner situation and that is them winning the cup, or coming within a couple games.

Sign him now and come up short and your stuck with another massive contract while the media and fans run back all their justified criticism, only with another years worth of vitriol behind it. Then proceed to enter next year with the same two cotton balls leading the team and all the doubt following you like a bad smell.

Wait and come up short and you're facing the same criticism and are forced to wade through it and either sign him to a massive deal with FA looming or let him walk for nothing and use it to signal a new direction.

In that situation the only way to save face will be to overpay and win the UFA sweepstakes, meaning big money and long terms to Ehlers and probably Mangiapane. We all know how bad UFA desperation is as modus operandi for any team, it doesn't work and it can cripple you for years.

It would be so much easier if the leafs were mediocre right now and could justify trading Marner to a team like Cbus for a haul. It's really a shame that being a good regular season team yet such a pathetic playoff team creates such a debilitating generation long conundrum for certain franchises.
 
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Xspyrit said:
Laine another PP goal, that's 7 in 8 games. Good, don't want the Habs to get another Top-5 pick



Disagree but you confirm what I said? I'm confused

33 pts per 82 games is good production from your 3rd line forwards, particularly if it's almost all at ES. What do you think 3rd liners usually score? It was never meant to be "impressive"

1st line : 60+ pts
2nd line : 45+ pts
3rd line 30+ pts
4th line : 10+ pts

Kakko would bring defense, IQ and puck retrieval on that line to allow Stu and Bath to express themselves offensively even more

But as I said, the other line also need Batherson so I would actually have Kakko with Greig and Pinto on the 3rd line. I would have acquired Kakko to be able to fire Amadio to the moon.
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You suggested playing him with Stützle, in the top 6. I think he’d be an upgrade for Amadio on the 3rd line, but he doesn’t have the offensive capabilities to complement Stützle, so we’d still have the same issue as we do today. No one to play with Stützle.

If we’re trading for another winger, it needs to be a guy who can put the puck in the net. Bonus if he brings speed.

Kakko doesn’t score and is slow. And he’ll be a guy looking for 3.5M+ on his next deal and can walk himself to UFA.

Trading any of the limited assets we have for him to slightly upgrade on Amadio would’ve been dumb.
 
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