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If he's getting healthy scratched in Vancouver it's hard for me to believe he's going to want to stick it out, but who knows.
 
just got off the phone with a source in Vancouver...

he told me, they didn't want to risk injury to Kravtsov considering the season was lost.
 
Curious is anyone knows. Kravtsov was a failed draft pick. Andersson was a failed draft pick. These were significant assets that were squandered.

Do NHL teams do “root cause analysis” or some other type of process improvement in response to failures like this? I’m trying to come up with a good analogue in the business world. When a pattern like this emerges, large businesses certainly my don’t just ignore it, and will devote significant resources to ensuring it doesn’t happen again.

I understand the draft is a crapshoot, but it’s much less so in the top 10. Why did these kids fail? What has the team done (other than firing the guys that made the picks) to achieve more success in the future?
 
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Synergy27 said:
Curious is anyone knows. Kravtsov was a failed draft pick. Andersson was a failed draft pick. These were significant assets that were squandered.

Do NHL teams do “root cause analysis” or some other type of process improvement in response to failures like this? I’m trying to come up with a good analogue in the business world. When a pattern like this emerges, large businesses certainly my don’t just ignore it, and will devote significant resources to ensuring it doesn’t happen again.

I understand the draft is a crapshoot, but it’s much less so in the top 10. Why did these kids fail? What has the team done (other than firing the guys that made the picks) to achieve more success in the future?
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In business, these failures usually require a post mortem.

But sports are weird, most of the actors involved in the decision making for Andersson and Kravtsov are already gone.

Unfortunately, it's been my experience that when the decision makers aren't around for the post mortem, the blame just get heaved on them. And that's that.
 
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Profet said:
In business, these failures usually require a post mortem.

But sports are weird, most of the actors involved in the decision making for Andersson and Kravtsov are already gone.

Unfortunately, it's been my experience that when the decision makers aren't around for the post mortem, the blame just get heaved on them. And that's that.
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I don't think there's anything to learn. Andersson was a 'safe' pick in the mold of an ornery Western Canadian captain who hated to lose. If that works out, that's a 10 year piece There's no way to predict he'd literally never improve at skating and have an entitlement complex since he'd always been successful. Think Jamie Benn.

Krav, well, there's similarly no reason to expect him to be a creampuff weakling in his D-4 year. You're looking at a generic skill package in a 6-4 filled out frame which is a unicorn. People claim to love boom/bust picks till they brick on em. Happens.
 
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Synergy27 said:
Curious is anyone knows. Kravtsov was a failed draft pick. Andersson was a failed draft pick. These were significant assets that were squandered.

Do NHL teams do “root cause analysis” or some other type of process improvement in response to failures like this? I’m trying to come up with a good analogue in the business world. When a pattern like this emerges, large businesses certainly my don’t just ignore it, and will devote significant resources to ensuring it doesn’t happen again.

I understand the draft is a crapshoot, but it’s much less so in the top 10. Why did these kids fail? What has the team done (other than firing the guys that made the picks) to achieve more success in the future?
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Nik Bobrov.

That’s your root cause.
 
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Synergy27 said:
Curious is anyone knows. Kravtsov was a failed draft pick. Andersson was a failed draft pick. These were significant assets that were squandered.

Do NHL teams do “root cause analysis” or some other type of process improvement in response to failures like this? I’m trying to come up with a good analogue in the business world. When a pattern like this emerges, large businesses certainly my don’t just ignore it, and will devote significant resources to ensuring it doesn’t happen again.

I understand the draft is a crapshoot, but it’s much less so in the top 10. Why did these kids fail? What has the team done (other than firing the guys that made the picks) to achieve more success in the future?
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The night Anderson was drafted both my dad and I said doesn't it sound like Chytil has much more upside? We tried hard to move up. They said we had number 7 in a 5 player draft or something like that. When Anderson was drafted they compared him to Jesper Fast. My dad loved Fast but I was like Fast at #7? Bottom line is some drafts you can hardly miss and other drafts are really hard to hit.
 
2017 was a shit draft. The Rangers desperately tried to move up to 3 to get Petterson but it takes two to make a deal.

I get the approach in 2017. Andersson was the safe pick and Chytil was the home run swing. The fact that Lias’ busted is just how it goes sometimes.

2018 was very much Gordie Clark and the rest of they scouting staff thinking they are the smartest in the room. No reason they should have went off board and not taken a guy like Wahlstrom, Dobson, Farabee etc
 
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effen said:
I don't think there's anything to learn. Andersson was a 'safe' pick in the mold of an ornery Western Canadian captain who hated to lose. If that works out, that's a 10 year piece There's no way to predict he'd literally never improve at skating and have an entitlement complex since he'd always been successful. Think Jamie Benn.

Krav, well, there's similarly no reason to expect him to be a creampuff weakling in his D-4 year. You're looking at a generic skill package in a 6-4 filled out frame which is a unicorn. People claim to love boom/bust picks till they brick on em. Happens.
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You say there is nothing to learn... But just going off what you're saying, I'm hearing there is a systematic failure in psychological profiling. Either that, or it simply doesn't exist.
 
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Profet said:
In business, these failures usually require a post mortem.

But sports are weird, most of the actors involved in the decision making for Andersson and Kravtsov are already gone.

Unfortunately, it's been my experience that when the decision makers aren't around for the post mortem, the blame just get heaved on them. And that's that.
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This is what I assume happens. The turnover in sports orgs is fast. It’s still weird to see these massive businesses care so little about innovation and process improvement.
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
2017 was a shit draft. The Rangers desperately tried to move up to 3 to get Petterson but it takes two to make a deal.

I get the approach in 2017. Andersson was the safe pick and Chytil was the home run swing. The fact that Lias’ busted is just how it goes sometimes.

2018 was very much Gordie Clark and the rest of they scouting staff thinking they are the smartest in the room. No reason they should have went off board and not taken a guy like Wahlstrom, Dobson, Farabee etc
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2017 wasn't a great draft but there are plenty of players drafted later, some way later, that carved out some decent to good careers so far. Back to back top 10 busts really hurt with only Cuylle to show for it.
 
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2017 wasn't a great draft but there are plenty of players drafted later, some way later, that carved out some decent to good careers so far. Back to back top 10 busts really hurt with only Cuylle to show for it.
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If there are some good players drafted in later rounds that indicates all the teams in the NHL passed on them multiple times so it wasn't about us. We also have had our share of good players that other teams passed on. Happens to everyone.
 
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NickyFotiu said:
The night Anderson was drafted both my dad and I said doesn't it sound like Chytil has much more upside? We tried hard to move up. They said we had number 7 in a 5 player draft or something like that. When Anderson was drafted they compared him to Jesper Fast. My dad loved Fast but I was like Fast at #7? Bottom line is some drafts you can hardly miss and other drafts are really hard to hit.
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It was a six man draft. Cody glass was made of glass and has done nothing, Nolan Patrick before the concussions looked like the forward version of Laf/Kakko, total ham and egger. Nothing special to his game at all.

It was a bad draft. The next 10 guys after Andersson only Necas is anything special. Suzuki is fine? Not a 1C by any stretch. Vilardi had back problems and made it as a winger. Tippet is a looter in a riot. Valinaki got waived this year. Sometimes it really do be like that.

Profet said:
You say there is nothing to learn... But just going off what you're saying, I'm hearing there is a systematic failure in psychological profiling. Either that, or it simply doesn't exist.
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Theres basically no way the Rangers or anyone else has an edge in psychologically profiling 17 year olds. Think about what you're saying.
 
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If there are some good players drafted in later rounds that indicates all the teams in the NHL passed on them multiple times so it wasn't about us. We also have had our share of good players that other teams passed on. Happens to everyone.
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I was talking about the first round after we picked 7th. 10-15 guys picked later that we wish we had instead of the bust Andersson. There is no excuse for back to back top 10 busts.
 
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I was talking about the first round after we picked 7th. 10-15 guys picked later that we wish we had instead of the bust Andersson. There is no excuse for back to back top 10 busts.
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No excuse always makes me laugh. Is there an excuse for a top 20 bust? What are allowable excuses for teams to miss on high draftpicks because they all do including Edmonton who also drafted McDavid and Leo.
 
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