Around the League Thread part V

[redcard]

I can't answer that specifically. You'd have to ask Dim Filopovic. I was responding to you saying you didn't know how they track it (manually) and what counts (direct targets, i.e., Roy doesn't get punished for Anderson allowing an entry and vice versa).

It is also worth considering that the Kings are not in the 1-3-1 neutral zone set up on every transition attack against, and I would think it's fair to say it is the exception and not the rule. That only specifically comes into play when the Kings have time to set up because they didn't get a well-timed forechecked and aren't coming out of the other zone in a transition battle. I don't have the actual numbers, but I would venture a guess that the 1-3-1--when there is actually time to set it up--leads to a large number of dump-ins, so its role in the above numbers is likely small.

Because I'm bored I went and watched the first 15 minutes of the first period of Game 1 against Edmonton. My intuition above was correct. The Kings only set up with the 1-3-1 3 times. It led to a dump-in 2 of the 3 times (McDavid was the only one who beat it and he just skated right down the middle of everyone). They could not set up any time at least one forward was even with or behind an Edmonton D in the Edmonton zone. There were a number of rush attempts that looked like this:

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Admittedly a small sample size but I think it's fairly representative of how the game of hockey actually plays out in its chaotic nature. So, I think any concern that the RD are being unfairly punished in this is overblown since (1) the chance to set up the 1-3-1 when the opposing team is coming out of its zone is rare (since it requires every single Kings player to be well on the defensive side of the puck and that just rarely happens in a free-flowing game like hockey), and (2) attacks against the 1-3-1 don't tend to advance further than dumping the puck in from the red line.

Those are certainly good points, but without the data points I'm not sure how to assess how significant that is. 3 instances in 15 minutes is 12 per game, 84 times in the 7 game series. I have no idea how many zone entries he's counting per game, but we played an average of 47:30 at even strength per game throughout the series, so maybe there's 300-400 zone entries? So the 1-3-1 is deployed ~20-28% of the time?

If the results were 2/3 lead to red line dump ins (benefits the LD in this data) and 1/3 McDavid blows by everyone (could penalize the RD at the blue line in this data), that 20% could be more than enough to skew the data.....or it could be irrelevant.

I did find this site that had a similar graph with a few more numbers:

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www.allthreezones.com

This has Roy at a carry against % of 77.42% and Mikey at 53.85% compared to the above graph that has Roy at ~65% and Mikey at ~35%. Its the same story but shows there's quite a bit of subjectivity between the two stat takers. But what also interests me is that they have stat for Entries with Chances allowed/60 that has Roy at 3.027 and Mikey at 4.362. Which, if I understand it correctly, shows that although Mikey has a lower % of zone entries allowed, he's still giving up more chances than Roy, despite Roy allowing players to enter the zone.

I could guess that Mikey is standing up, more likely to prevent a zone entry, but also more likely to concede a chance when beat. While Roy is containing, allowing the entry, but preventing the chance. I would expect both of these results given their respective roles.

I don't know. I love Mikey, not trying to drag him down or anything, just trying to decide how much weight to actually put into these stats.

 

[lumbergh]

And Mikey was playing against McDavid and Drai quite a bit.

It's damn impressive.

Holy small sample size, Batman!

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't know. I love Mikey, not trying to drag him down or anything, just trying to decide how much weight to actually put into these stats.

honestly I would say 'not too much' given, as you point out, the heavy subjectivity. And just like you say you weren't trying to drag down Mikey, I again want to point out that wasn't an attempt by me to slag Roy either, he had the hardest job of anyone these playoffs imo.

All I was saying is it's a nice capture and a fun data point to be able to see Slavin-Weegar-Anderson and the hard time the Kings gave Mcdavid-Draisaitl.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Contextually I'm gonna put a ton of weight on them because we've seen the full season stats that favor him, we've seen his playing career at multiple levels of competitive hockey that favors him, we've all watched him with out own eyes which favor him and we've heard from coaching staff, front office staff and future hall of fame players that ALL favor him.

At what point do we stop pretending that Mikey Anderson isn't a good hockey player?

 

[Sol]

Id say Mikey is actually really good however I really think Roy is ass when I watch him constantly lose his man in front of the net.

 

[BringTheReign]

What if Columbus giving Seattle Bjorkstrand was retroactive future considerations from the expansion draft? Remember when Francis randomly took Bayreuther from them and they basically just gave him back via waivers? Jarmo might’ve known he’d need to clear cap this off-season (not necessarily for Gaudreau, but for some big splash).

 

[KingsFan7824]

What if Columbus giving Seattle Bjorkstrand was retroactive future considerations from the expansion draft? Remember when Francis randomly took Bayreuther from them and they basically just gave him back via waivers? Jarmo might’ve known he’d need to clear cap this off-season (not necessarily for Gaudreau, but for some big splash).

Nah. That's like saying the Kings got Smyth just to kill time before they got Richards. No, they were perfectly happy to acquire Smyth on his own merit and have him as part of the mix they were trying to win with. If Gaudreau goes to Phi, Bjorkstrand is still a Jacket.

Clb not only ended up with Gaudreau, but Laine willingly signed a huge deal too. They were up against the cap, there was no easy solution, so instead of dragging things out and likely trading Bjorkstrand for nothing anyway, they did it quickly.

 

[BringTheReign]

Nah. That's like saying the Kings got Smyth just to kill time before they got Richards. No, they were perfectly happy to acquire Smyth on his own merit and have him as part of the mix they were trying to win with. If Gaudreau goes to Phi, Bjorkstrand is still a Jacket.

Clb not only ended up with Gaudreau, but Laine willingly signed a huge deal too. They were up against the cap, there was no easy solution, so instead of dragging things out and likely trading Bjorkstrand for nothing anyway, they did it quickly.

You're almost certainly right that I'm grasping at straws, but I guess I meant the retroactive favor was how cheap the price was for Bjorkstrand. Everyone knew they were cap-strapped, but I can't imagine a world in which Seattle was the only team interested. Bjorkstrand is an excellent top six winger on a great deal.

I could see a GM making a handshake deal giving another first right of a refusal the next time they're shopping any player, or it being around value of an asset.

 

[Master Yoda]

Barzal, Ehlers and Hughes weren't in the playoffs. So the Kings were essentially facing 2 of the 3 best zone entry forwards in the post season in McDavid and Draisaitl.

I do like the context that @Sparky206 added.

Purely on an observational level, I thought Mikey played his best hockey ever, and I was less so impressed with Roy. The data set backs that up.

Blake might be considering locking up Mikey long term right now. It would be an overpay in the short term, but could end being a tremendously valuable contract in the long term if Anderson pans out. Risky.

Kings don't have the cap space to sign him for anything more than a bridge contract ($2.5 x 2ish). Unless of course they move a contract (Iafallo/Walker).

 

[Brodeur]

What if Columbus giving Seattle Bjorkstrand was retroactive future considerations from the expansion draft? Remember when Francis randomly took Bayreuther from them and they basically just gave him back via waivers? Jarmo might’ve known he’d need to clear cap this off-season (not necessarily for Gaudreau, but for some big splash).

Probably a little too farfetched. As others said, Columbus was over the cap and it was either Bjorkstrand or Nyquist who was expendable. Nyquist probably would have required a sweetener to dump. You could probably count on one hand the number of teams who had the cap space to take Bjorkstrand and weren't on his no trade list.

Although I did enjoy debating how Seattle punted on the Columbus pick at the expansion draft. Some folks couldn't wrap their heads that nothing might be better than taking on Max Domi at 6 million dollars. One guy on the main board was certain that Domi was going to fetch a ton at the deadline.

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I wish I could bet a beer that Klingberg ends up signing with Montreal next offseason. Habs will have a bunch of money coming off the books: Drouin (5.5), Dadonov (5), Byron (3.4). And they'll probably be one of the few teams who'll have the motivation and cap space to chase an expensive free agent RD.

Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Caufield
Hoffman-Dach-Gallagher
Pitlick-Dvorak-Anderson
tbd-Evans-Armia

Edmundson-Klingberg
Matheson-Savard
Guhle-Barron
Harris-Wideman

 

[King'sPawn]

You're almost certainly right that I'm grasping at straws, but I guess I meant the retroactive favor was how cheap the price was for Bjorkstrand. Everyone knew they were cap-strapped, but I can't imagine a world in which Seattle was the only team interested. Bjorkstrand is an excellent top six winger on a great deal.

I could see a GM making a handshake deal giving another first right of a refusal the next time they're shopping any player, or it being around value of an asset.

I think Seattle was one of the only places with cap space, room in their top-6, available budget/spending from ownership, interest in a trade.

 

[Statto]

When did the Athletic start hiring hacks? I guess they're resorting to click bait now to keep them afloat.

I cancelled my subscription last month. The content has definitely regressed and the Kings coverage is pretty poor.

The UK football coverage is better but offers nothing that isn’t available elsewhere.

 

[Statto]

Hahaha!


What? $100+ million already cashed, $4M bonus paid for 22/23 …

… oh what a horrible situation for the 3 time cup winner, two time Olympic gold winner …

STFU you entitled little bitch!

You signed the deal, suck it up.

I’m no fan of his but the quote has been heavily focused on and taken out of context. I listened to the person that did the interview and he said that he isn’t agitating for a move out of Chicago and it was more a case of saying that whilst he wasn’t wanting to be part of a rebuild at this stage of his career he’s open to staying and being part of it… I’m heavily paraphrasing.

 

[Statto]

More than a handful of people have spent an entire day across three separate threads to tell us how much they don't care.

I was lukewarm to the idea until I saw people suddenly foaming at the mouth, knowing Brownie is triggering people well into his retirement simply by being immortalized by the org is both a great franchise honor and a grade-A trolling move for his biggest haters and make no mistake, the vast majority of the folks freaking out about it are absolutely people who have appeared time after time after time to motherf*** him. Damn near everyone else is like "really? Who cares. Up to the org."

I’m the same.

Whilst I would not give any player an individual statue I’ve now changed my mind in this case. I now want to see an honour guard of different Brown statues around Crypto ensuring all the moments we’ve been discussing for the statue get used. A pair either side of every entrance to the building.

It would create an eternal bitchfest…

 

[johnjm22]

With the Klingberg signing, I assume Anaheim plans to trade him at the deadline for a 1st when his cap hit is only 1.75M.

He has a 10 team NTC, but it shouldn't be much of an issue IMO.

Plus this signing gets the Ducks to the cap floor. Decent move overall.

I'm just glad they didn't get Bjorkstrand for free.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Bucky Cheds showing no loyalty by going with the gold chrome helmet.

 

[kingsfan28]

I’m the same.

Whilst I would not give any player an individual statue I’ve now changed my mind in this case. I now want to see an honour guard of different Brown statues around Crypto ensuring all the moments we’ve been discussing for the statue get used. A pair either side of every entrance to the building.

It would create an eternal bitchfest…

How about going one better...every player who won a cup on both the 12' and 14' team gets a statue. Ring the entire crypto arena with them, each raising the cup and the same smile on their face. And that smile says " Go F- yourself!".

 

[FrozenKing18]

I want a hologram of Brown hitting Sedin as you enter the arena.

 

[cyclones22]

The door knock is the most memorable part for me.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Lots of LA King stories in this video.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The Matt Greene stick story spit out my drink. and lining Drew up at RW. So good.

 

[kingsfan28]

The door knock is the most memorable part for me.

He's tapping out S.O.S. !



I haven't seen this in a while. One of my best if I might say.

 

[Telos]

Lots of LA King stories in this video.

I love it when these stories spill out. Hopefully, we get some memoirs of the DL, Sutter, and such days. I hope Dean is still serious about writing and releasing those at some point.

 

[YP44]

I miss when Icethetics used to do their Jersey Watch. Anyone know of anything similar?

 

[Vamos Rafa]

Just here to randomly say that it’s great to know that the Bay Area is still Stanley Cupless.