Around the League Thread part V

[johnjm22]

Booo Huberdeau re-signed with Calgary, was hoping he’d take off out east. Was hoping Calgary would fall off.

I think it's great news.

This is an absolutely terrible contract.

Now hopefully they give another similar contract to Weegar.

 

[tny760]

8 years 10 million per. That contract is going to be horrendous and won't age well. Although Huberdeau is a good player not for that length yikes.

next GM's problem wahoo!

 

[JTeller97]

Calgary would've been far better off dealing Huberdeau and Weegar at the deadline likely netting them 3 firsts and probably a couple more solid prospects prompting a much needed rebuild. Now I feel like they're just running to a stand still with a roster that doesn't look anywhere near contending for the foreseeable future.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Booo Huberdeau re-signed with Calgary, was hoping he’d take off out east. Was hoping Calgary would fall off.

Boooberdeau?

 

[KingsFan7824]

Full rebuild or try to remain competitive. One is like playing the lottery, one is a job to make rent every month. Just because Chicago is doing what they're doing, doesn't mean that in 10 years, they will have won anything. Look at Ari and Buf.

You buy that ticket though, and you get to imagine what that money could get you. But you can't start living the life of someone with millions before you have the winning numbers.

I would guess that Calgary knows it's a bad contract to give out, especially when the team, and the team + this specific player, haven't won anything. However, you have 41 days you have to sell tickets for.

This all or.nothing mindset is crazy. There's one champion every year. Look at the path Col took. You think there was a plan there? From drafting Duchene to this year was well.over a decade of constant ups and downs. They love Makar, but they weren't trying to be terrible 4 years after drafting MacKinnon, because it can only help to get more top 5 picks. Why win the Cup this year? Finish bottom 5 again, so that you have another great young talent. Guess who's going to cost more in the future? An ever aging MacKinnon.

And championship success is fleeting. We don't even care that the Kings currently have players that have won the only thing we care about, as Kings, still on the roster. Just have to chase the next high.

Stupid Calgary. Trying to not tank.

 

[Schmooley]

There's one champion every year. Look at the path Col took. You think there was a plan there?

Didnt they trade their entire core in Stasny, Duchene and OReilly? They only kept Johnson (who misses a lot of games) and let the new core take control.
Brought in a rookie coach that grew with the team. Maybe there was no plan there but they built a really good team on the backs of their top draft picks.

 

[redcard]

Didnt they trade their entire core in Stasny, Duchene and OReilly? They only kept Johnson (who misses a lot of games) and let the new core take control.
Brought in a rookie coach that grew with the team. Maybe there was no plan there but they built a really good team on the backs of their top draft picks.

They traded Stastny in 2011, O'Reilly in 2015, and Duchene in 2017.

Duchene 3rd overall in 2009
Landeskog 2nd overall in 2011
Traded their 1st round pick in 2012 for Varlamov
MacKinnon 1st overall in 2013
Rantanen 10th overall in 2015
Makar 4th overall in 2017
Byram 4th overall in 2019

Finally win the cup in 2022

It worked, but there's not really a template to follow there. Suck. Trade. Suck. Trade. Suck. Trade. Oh hey we're finally good.

 

[TruKingFan]

Calgary would've been far better off dealing Huberdeau and Weegar at the deadline likely netting them 3 firsts and probably a couple more solid prospects prompting a much needed rebuild. Now I feel like they're just running to a stand still with a roster that doesn't look anywhere near contending for the foreseeable future.

Guess the Kings aren’t the only one doing this. Imagine that. At least Kopi already won 2 Cups.

 

[kingsfan28]

They traded Stastny in 2011, O'Reilly in 2015, and Duchene in 2017.

Duchene 3rd overall in 2009
Landeskog 2nd overall in 2011
Traded their 1st round pick in 2012 for Varlamov
MacKinnon 1st overall in 2013
Rantanen 10th overall in 2015
Makar 4th overall in 2017
Byram 4th overall in 2019

Finally win the cup in 2022

It worked, but there's not really a template to follow there. Suck. Trade. Suck. Trade. Suck. Trade. Oh hey we're finally good.

The Oilers are a good example of sucking, getting a generational player, sucking more, getting another good player, then just floundering in mediocrity.

 

[YP44]

The Oilers are a good example of sucking, getting a generational player, sucking more, getting another good player, then just floundering in mediocrity.

could be the leafs too

 

[Moses Doughty]

They traded Stastny in 2011, O'Reilly in 2015, and Duchene in 2017.

Duchene 3rd overall in 2009
Landeskog 2nd overall in 2011
Traded their 1st round pick in 2012 for Varlamov
MacKinnon 1st overall in 2013
Rantanen 10th overall in 2015
Makar 4th overall in 2017
Byram 4th overall in 2019

Finally win the cup in 2022

It worked, but there's not really a template to follow there. Suck. Trade. Suck. Trade. Suck. Trade. Oh hey we're finally good.

And to add on to that, t they didn't want to trade O'Reilly or Duchene, and would've kept them longer if they could (can't remember what happened with Stastny).

O'Reilly had contract issues which hurt the relationship, and Duchene had asked for a trade for a year leading up to his departure.

 

[kingsfan28]

8 years 10 million per. That contract is going to be horrendous and won't age well. Although Huberdeau is a good player not for that length yikes.

They could've saved a mil in cap space and 5 years in player years by keeping Tkachuk. At ages 37-39 he'll have a 10 .5 mil cap hit. yikes is right!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

And to add on to that, t they didn't want to trade O'Reilly or Duchene, and would've kept them longer if they could (can't remember what happened with Stastny).

O'Reilly had contract issues which hurt the relationship, and Duchene had asked for a trade for a year leading up to his departure.

Plus there was speculation a few years back about the Avalanche trying to move Landeskog and his contract when he really struggled in 2016-17, back when certain Kings fans were reluctant to give up Paul LaDue of all people.

 

[bland]

could be the leafs too

All Canadian teams, except for Ottawa who have largely been limited due to ownership, are extremely reluctant to take the necessary steps to build from within and forego being in the mix every year.

Its exactly why none of them have won a Cup since 93.

You don't need to chase mediocrity, it finds you when you make decisions like extending Huberdeau.

 

[Sol]

The Oilers are a good example of sucking, getting a generational player, sucking more, getting another good player, then just floundering in mediocrity.

Kings might end up worse than the oilers though. Once Kopitars corpse is finally put to bed and doughty retires, the lack of generational talent, and the guaranteed sucking that will come after will be terrible.

The worst part of the rebuild is we definitely didnt get anything remotely close to generational. So suckage is pretty likely unless the prospects for some reason go over their ceilings massively.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Kings might end up worse than the oilers though. Once Kopitars corpse is finally put to bed and doughty retires, the lack of generational talent, and the guaranteed sucking that will come after will be terrible.

The worst part of the rebuild is we definitely didnt get anything remotely close to generational. So suckage is pretty likely unless the prospects for some reason go over their ceilings massively.

1) predicting we will be terrible after Kopitar/Doughty retires is just a f***ing ignorant take -- nobody on this board knows yet what we are really going to get with Byfield (esp), Turcotte, Kaliyev, Vilardi, Clarke, Kupari -- the list goes on.

2) comparing our rebuild to EDM...ask EDM fans if they would have preferred two cups in the last 10 years over drafting McDavid.

 

[KingsFan7824]

They could've saved a mil in cap space and 5 years in player years by keeping Tkachuk. At ages 37-39 he'll have a 10 .5 mil cap hit. yikes is right!

They couldn't keep Tkachuk. He wanted out. Now or in 10 months. And it's not a roster ready to be rebuilt. Everyone has 2 or 3 years left on their deals.

All Canadian teams, except for Ottawa who have largely been limited due to ownership, are extremely reluctant to take the necessary steps to build from within and forego being in the mix every year.

Its exactly why none of them have won a Cup since 93.

You don't need to chase mediocrity, it finds you when you make decisions like extending Huberdeau.

Not like a Canadian team hasn't been to at least Game 7 of the Final a time or two since 93.

Every franchise is reluctant to scorch the Earth. Even DL tried to sign an almost 30 year old Chara in 2006.

Kings might end up worse than the oilers though. Once Kopitars corpse is finally put to bed and doughty retires, the lack of generational talent, and the guaranteed sucking that will come after will be terrible.

The worst part of the rebuild is we definitely didnt get anything remotely close to generational. So suckage is pretty likely unless the prospects for some reason go over their ceilings massively.

They picked a bad 3 years to tank then. Not that it was the plan going in. Adjust your expectations so you're not miserable for the next decade.

 

[bland]

They couldn't keep Tkachuk. He wanted out. Now or in 10 months. And it's not a roster ready to be rebuilt. Everyone has 2 or 3 years left on their deals.



Not like a Canadian team hasn't been to at least Game 7 of the Final a time or two since 93.

Every franchise is reluctant to scorch the Earth. Even DL tried to sign an almost 30 year old Chara in 2006.



They picked a bad 3 years to tank then. Not that it was the plan going in. Adjust your expectations so you're not miserable for the next decade.

Will do, champ.

 

[kingsfan28]

Kings might end up worse than the oilers though. Once Kopitars corpse is finally put to bed and doughty retires, the lack of generational talent, and the guaranteed sucking that will come after will be terrible.

The worst part of the rebuild is we definitely didnt get anything remotely close to generational. So suckage is pretty likely unless the prospects for some reason go over their ceilings massively.

I don't thinks so. how many number 1 picks have we gotten vs the Oilers ? They selected Taylor Hall (2010), Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (2011), Nail Yakupov (2012), and Connor McDavid (2015). Hall was run out of town, RNH while not a bust is a 2nd/3rd liner at best, Yakupov...bust leaving only 1 guy left. Byfield is the highest we've drafted since 2010. There's no way you can predict we'll be worse 4-5 years from now considering our guy are just starting out .

 

[KingsFan7824]

Will do, champ.

It's just not exactly why they don't have any Cups. Was that Car team that beat Edm built through the draft?

 

[Sol]

1) predicting we will be terrible after Kopitar/Doughty retires is just a f***ing ignorant take -- nobody on this board knows yet what we are really going to get with Byfield (esp), Turcotte, Kaliyev, Vilardi, Clarke, Kupari -- the list goes on.

2) comparing our rebuild to EDM...ask EDM fans if they would have preferred two cups in the last 10 years over drafting McDavid.

We knew what we were getting instantly when Kopitar and Doughty made it to the team and exploded. None of these players are close to them. I think you need to be a bit realistic. I dont know what winning the cup has to do with the Kings not drafting generational players through their rebuild. All Im saying is that it doesn't take a scientist to realize at best we got some stars. Not Kopitar/ Doughty tier. I dont see how you can get up in arms about that. Kopitar and Doughty were instantly stars. These guys not so much.

I don't thinks so. how many number 1 picks have we gotten vs the Oilers ? They selected Taylor Hall (2010), Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (2011), Nail Yakupov (2012), and Connor McDavid (2015). Hall was run out of town, RNH while not a bust is a 2nd/3rd liner at best, Yakupov...bust leaving only 1 guy left. Byfield is the highest we've drafted since 2010. There's no way you can predict we'll be worse 4-5 years from now considering our guy are just starting out .

Which is why I am saying that we most likely got RNHs than Draisaitls. And if that is the case (which is why I said unless these players really really hit their stride which its also likely they dont since they havent shown to be superstar quality, they MIGHT bottom out once Kopitar and Doughty are gone. How is that hard to comprehend? just envision the line up without Kopitars and Doughtys with RNHs instead. Kings got lucky with Doughty and Kopitar. All I am saying is that it took McDavid to make the Oilers competitive. Kings will likely need to find something like that unless these players do REALLY REALLY well. and Its not hard to believe that they wont.

 

[Fishhead]

Boooberdeau?

This is going to be my new nickname for my wife. If I don't post for a while, you all know why.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Rich Clune retired as a player, and the Leafs hired him as a staffer in player development. I guess he can teach their prospects on the proper way to take a punch?

Clunes most memorable moment as a King:

 

[JTeller97]

Guess the Kings aren’t the only one doing this. Imagine that. At least Kopi already won 2 Cups.

We just came out of a 3 year rebuild. Calgarys been trying to compete with a shotty core for the better part of a decade. Apples and Oranges imo.

 

[KINGS17]

I think it's great news.

This is an absolutely terrible contract.

Now hopefully they give another similar contract to Weegar.

I am not sure what you mean. The Kings have a couple of contracts like this and they have worked out just fine.