Around the League Thread part V

[Raccoon Jesus]

Ducks fans big mad about the Brown statue. It's hilarious

More than a handful of people have spent an entire day across three separate threads to tell us how much they don't care.

I was lukewarm to the idea until I saw people suddenly foaming at the mouth, knowing Brownie is triggering people well into his retirement simply by being immortalized by the org is both a great franchise honor and a grade-A trolling move for his biggest haters and make no mistake, the vast majority of the folks freaking out about it are absolutely people who have appeared time after time after time to motherf*** him. Damn near everyone else is like "really? Who cares. Up to the org."

 

[johnjm22]

And Mikey was playing against McDavid and Drai quite a bit.

It's damn impressive.

 

[Sparky206]

And Mikey was playing against McDavid and Drai quite a bit.

It's damn impressive.

Very impressive but the 131 also plays into our LDs hands with they way they setup. Very difficult for our RDs to get entry breakups when they're sitting in our zone waiting for a dump in

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

More than a handful of people have spent an entire day across three separate threads to tell us how much they don't care.

I was lukewarm to the idea until I saw people suddenly foaming at the mouth, knowing Brownie is triggering people well into his retirement simply by being immortalized by the org is both a great franchise honor and a grade-A trolling move for his biggest haters and make no mistake, the vast majority of the folks freaking out about it are absolutely people who have appeared time after time after time to motherf*** him. Damn near everyone else is like "really? Who cares. Up to the org."

I didn't even know this was a thing.

If Gretzky, who never even played one second at Staples, gets a statue....then I think the only King's captain who's ever raised a Stanley Cup over their head (both times at Staples) deserves a f***ing statue, lol.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Very impressive but the 131 also plays into our LDs hands with they way they setup. Very difficult for our RDs to get entry breakups when they're sitting in our zone waiting for a dump in

Doesn't matter, if the only people better than Anderson in that stretch were Weegar and Slavin, neither of whom were playing against McDavid/Draisaitl, that's still phenomenal.

And lol, Stetcher.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Troy Stetcher, the most open of doors

 

[YP44]

Doesn't matter, if the only people better than Anderson in that stretch were Weegar and Slavin, neither of whom were playing against McDavid/Draisaitl, that's still phenomenal.

And lol, Stetcher.

pretty small sample for Stetcher though I agree I was not a fan.

 

[KingsFan7824]

They literally traded away so many valuable young pieces and kept older shitty malcontent leaders. It's not that great vision you're espousing. Especially if they lose the lottery and fail to get Bedard/Michkov.

They're not keeping them. Old guys are the toughest assets to trade. And if a guy like Kane can pick where he goes on top of that, whatever team might not be in a position to get him right now.

I don't get how, in a hard cap league, it's expected that the old guys with the worst contracts should be the first players traded. No. They are very likely the last players that will be dealt in a hard cap rebuild, because they're old with bad contracts. This ain't the 90's where Toronto or Detroit will take whatever you got and put them on the 3rd line.

Now, Burns did end up in Carolina. However, it's with 34% retained for 3 years, and SJ got back pretty much nothing that will likely help the actual rebuild. A rebuild they're doing with 4 bad contracts instead of 5, and we'll see what they do with Meier. Burns is decidedly an exception to the rule.

 

[redcard]

Doesn't matter, if the only people better than Anderson in that stretch were Weegar and Slavin, neither of whom were playing against McDavid/Draisaitl, that's still phenomenal.

And lol, Stetcher.

Context is still pretty important though. I'll admit I'm not sure how they track this stat and what qualifies as a zone entry allowed, but if he's paired with Matt Roy, he's on the ice with Roy, so the opponent is still getting into the zone when Mikey's on the ice. But because Roy is playing back as the sole 1 at the center of the blue line, his numbers are going to reflect any time an attack comes down the middle or beats the RW along the boards, where as Mikey is only impacted by zone entry attempts that are right at him.

If a RW breaks up an entry or forces a dump in, I'm guessing the RD's stats aren't impacted. But if an attacker blows by the RW, and the RD, who is covering the entire blue line, has to come over to defend does that count as a zone entry against the RD?

Its no surprise to me to see where our RDs and LDs fall in this graph given that the LDs are generally 1 of 3 players standing on the red line and the RD is the lone guy on the blue line.

 

[KINGS17]

Wrong Thread

 

[johnjm22]

Barzal, Ehlers and Hughes weren't in the playoffs. So the Kings were essentially facing 2 of the 3 best zone entry forwards in the post season in McDavid and Draisaitl.

I do like the context that @Sparky206 added.

Purely on an observational level, I thought Mikey played his best hockey ever, and I was less so impressed with Roy. The data set backs that up.

Blake might be considering locking up Mikey long term right now. It would be an overpay in the short term, but could end being a tremendously valuable contract in the long term if Anderson pans out. Risky.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Mikey Anderson has already panned out.

 

[johnjm22]

Mikey Anderson has already panned out.

Semantics. Any time a 4th round draft pick turns into a regular NHLer, you could say they "panned out."

But in terms of being a high quality top 4 dman worthy of giving a LTC to, I would say not yet, but close. It would still be a bit risky at this point.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Semantics. Any time a 4th round draft pick turns into a regular NHLer, you could say they "panned out."

But terms of being a high quality top 4 dman worthy of giving a LTC to, I would say not yet, but close. It would be a bit risky.

*extreme John Malkovich bad russian accent*

Pay that man his money

 

[YP44]

Semantics. Any time a 4th round draft pick turns into a regular NHLer, you could say they "panned out."

But in terms of being a high quality top 4 dman worthy of giving a LTC to, I would say not yet, but close. It would still be a bit risky at this point.

Imagine if Mikey signed a contract similar to Siegenthaler

 

[Sleeping Dog]

*extreme John Malkovich bad russian accent*

Pay that man his money

Jesse, always love a Teddy KGB reference!

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Imagine if Mikey signed a contract similar to Siegenthaler

' id do that one yesterday honestly

im a believer though

 

[YP44]

' id do that one yesterday honestly

im a believer though

I think it would be a steal for LA

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Context is still pretty important though. I'll admit I'm not sure how they track this stat and what qualifies as a zone entry allowed, but if he's paired with Matt Roy, he's on the ice with Roy, so the opponent is still getting into the zone when Mikey's on the ice. But because Roy is playing back as the sole 1 at the center of the blue line, his numbers are going to reflect any time an attack comes down the middle or beats the RW along the boards, where as Mikey is only impacted by zone entry attempts that are right at him.

If a RW breaks up an entry or forces a dump in, I'm guessing the RD's stats aren't impacted. But if an attacker blows by the RW, and the RD, who is covering the entire blue line, has to come over to defend does that count as a zone entry against the RD?

Its no surprise to me to see where our RDs and LDs fall in this graph given that the LDs are generally 1 of 3 players standing on the red line and the RD is the lone guy on the blue line.

He's only counting when the defenseman is specifically targeted as the point of entry by the attacking forward.

I decided to manually track all 89 games from the 2022 edition of the Stanley Cup Playoffs again, after how much fun we had with last year's project. I don't necessarily want to rehash everything here, but let's do a quick refresher of why we're doing this before we dive into the data. . . .

By tracking the events in which each defender is the primary target of the opposition's attempts to enter the zone, we can get a better sense of their tendencies, their ability to handle speed, and hopefully more accurately isolate their individual contributions to the overall defensive on-ice results. That's the plan heading in at least, so here we go.

How defencemen defended their blue line against zone entries in the 2022 Stanley Cup Playoffs

Dimitri Filipovic uses tracking data from this year's playoffs to look at which defencemen defended their blue line against zone entries most effectively, and why it's such an important skill in today's game.

eprinkside.com

 

[redcard]

He's only counting when the defenseman is specifically targeted as the point of entry by the attacking forward.

How defencemen defended their blue line against zone entries in the 2022 Stanley Cup Playoffs

Dimitri Filipovic uses tracking data from this year's playoffs to look at which defencemen defended their blue line against zone entries most effectively, and why it's such an important skill in today's game.

eprinkside.com

That doesn't really clear it up though, because in the 1-3-1 the LD is at the red line with the forwards, and the RD is alone on the blue line. When are the defenders "the primary target of the opposition's attempt to enter the zone?"

When the forwards get beat at the red line, the RD is the lone guy back to cover and is more likely to allow the zone entry due to the large amount of space. Are they then the primary target or is that situation ignored for this analysis?

Its easy to look at these types of statistics if you have a flat 2 defensemen standing up at the blue line, each covering equal space. But in the 1-3-1 the RD and LD are effectively different positions.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

That doesn't really clear it up though, because in the 1-3-1 the LD is at the red line with the forwards, and the RD is alone on the blue line. When are the defenders "the primary target of the opposition's attempt to enter the zone?"

When the forwards get beat at the red line, the RD is the lone guy back to cover and is more likely to allow the zone entry due to the large amount of space. Are they then the primary target or is that situation ignored for this analysis?

Its easy to look at these types of statistics if you have a flat 2 defensemen standing up at the blue line, each covering equal space. But in the 1-3-1 the RD and LD are effectively different positions.

I can't answer that specifically. You'd have to ask Dim Filopovic. I was responding to you saying you didn't know how they track it (manually) and what counts (direct targets, i.e., Roy doesn't get punished for Anderson allowing an entry and vice versa).

It is also worth considering that the Kings are not in the 1-3-1 neutral zone set up on every transition attack against, and I would think it's fair to say it is the exception and not the rule. That only specifically comes into play when the Kings have time to set up because they didn't get a well-timed forechecked and aren't coming out of the other zone in a transition battle. I don't have the actual numbers, but I would venture a guess that the 1-3-1--when there is actually time to set it up--leads to a large number of dump-ins, so its role in the above numbers is likely small.

Because I'm bored I went and watched the first 15 minutes of the first period of Game 1 against Edmonton. My intuition above was correct. The Kings only set up with the 1-3-1 3 times. It led to a dump-in 2 of the 3 times (McDavid was the only one who beat it and he just skated right down the middle of everyone). They could not set up any time at least one forward was even with or behind an Edmonton D in the Edmonton zone. There were a number of rush attempts that looked like this:

Admittedly a small sample size but I think it's fairly representative of how the game of hockey actually plays out in its chaotic nature. So, I think any concern that the RD are being unfairly punished in this is overblown since (1) the chance to set up the 1-3-1 when the opposing team is coming out of its zone is rare (since it requires every single Kings player to be well on the defensive side of the puck and that just rarely happens in a free-flowing game like hockey), and (2) attacks against the 1-3-1 don't tend to advance further than dumping the puck in from the red line.

 

[Little Psycho]

Ducks fans are so pathetic that they turned their own Zegras thread on the mains about Brown.

Rent free and after retirement! Lmao.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Ducks fans are so pathetic that they turned their own Zegras thread on the mains about Brown.

Rent free and after retirement! Lmao

They really are obsessed.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yeah I mean re: the zone entries I wasn't even using it to mock the RHD but rather to point out how excellent Anderson was.

Yes, that stat is only tracked in regards to a guy crossing the line attacking that dman specifically so it does hurt the RD a bit since they typically shade towards the middle when the kings DO 1-3-1 but even relative to his LHD peers and against the best players in the world Mikey got world-class results, that's the bigger point.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Ducks fans are so pathetic that they turned their own Zegras thread on the mains about Brown.

Rent free and after retirement! Lmao.

Tried to play it off as a joke

a couple of posts in acouple of threads is a joke

hundreds of posts across 5+ threads in less than 24 hours is allowing a retired Dustin Brown to ruin your summer