Around the League Thread part V
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King'sPawn
Enjoy the chaos
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I kid you not, when I would argue with some of them, I would actually hear comments that "playing PK is easier than the powerplay" because "they're just standing around and not getting tired."
AbsentMojo
F-ing get up and hunt! Cmon Todd!
A lot of fans dont understand that reacting to someone else's movements from a relatively stationary position is a hell of alot harder than initiating movement on offense... thats why you see teams that hold possession for an entire PP turn the D into rag dolls when it seems they all moved around about the same amount.
Steve Zissou
I'll order you a red cap and a Speedo.
This kid needs help.
"Ryan left the stolen items on a counter along his way and entered Little Harpeth Brewing, where officers found him seated at the bar ordering a drink. Police say he was not compliant with them, was extremely intoxicated, and did not know where he was, the date, or the time, and could not stand on his own."
"Ryan left the stolen items on a counter along his way and entered Little Harpeth Brewing, where officers found him seated at the bar ordering a drink. Police say he was not compliant with them, was extremely intoxicated, and did not know where he was, the date, or the time, and could not stand on his own."
He's struggled openly about addiction and tweeted today that he was embarrassed and getting back with the program, etc. Rooting for him to turn it around and stay in the positive. He's had a little Patrick O'Sullivan-like (not exactly) upbringing and definitely has his reasons for wanting to forget...
Addiction is a lifelong ailment. There is no cure for it. All he can do is manage it the best of his ability which includes getting back on the program when you fall out.
Chazz Reinhold
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Re: the bolded--they do account for teammates by weighting in how the player performs relative to average and relative to his teammates:
Improving our NHL projection model ahead of the 2019-20 season
Outlining the changes to Dom's prediction model.
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Bobby has become very open about his struggles and doesn't blame anyone but himself...at least from what we see publicly. Makes it very, very easy to root for the best for him and because of that, even when he slips, he's an excellent role model for others struggling with similar. Shit happens and no one is perfect, but how you dust yourself off and rise again is important.
King'sPawn
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Schrute farms
LA Kings: new GM wanted -- inquire within
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5+ years?!? Haven't the Hawks been rebuilding for 3-5 years now already.
ScoreZeGoals
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Someone should remind Toews that the Blackhawks haven't finished above sixth in their own division since 2017, they have been shit for awhile now
bland
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Same exact shit Doughty just said last year, and he outed Kopitar as feeling the same way.
Somehow its different here? Only real difference is that Chicago management isn't sabotaging a rebuild to patronize the players.
unicornpig
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stop, the hawks gave up more assests in the seth jones trade then in the entirety of the kings rebuild LOL
Ziggy Stardust
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Besides underselling players, what exactly has Chicago accomplished in their rebuild to demonstrate they’re taking the right path as opposed to what the Kings started doing with their rebuild in 2019?
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Yeah it's different attitudinally, i agree iwth you there. Chicago mgmt has basically said 'f*** you, we're doing this' rather than trying to keep it in-house and satisfy the vets.
But outwardly they've also fumbled the bag hard on several occasions so...
KingsFan7824
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Again, this is the last contractually obligated season for a 33 and 34 year old Kane and Toews. The Kings have not been in the same position with Kopitar and Doughty. And no, they weren't trading them in 2016 or 2018 when they were re-signed. They hadn't yet missed the playoffs all the time yet. Yes, I know, just making the playoffs doesn't matter, but it does to the actual franchises.
But who cares, the Hawks in 2022 are the same as the Kings in 2019. One size fits all.
King'sPawn
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You're going to bat hard for an org who prefers leaders looking the other way when teammates get assaulted. And who traded away good young players while keeping the waste.
They literally traded away so many valuable young pieces and kept older shitty malcontent leaders. It's not that great vision you're espousing. Especially if they lose the lottery and fail to get Bedard/Michkov.
You keep conveniently overlooking those key differences in why it's different.
Edit: I'll add, because this always seems to be lost:
- I'm not an advocate of "just trading players" particularly core/key players, just because they have value
- Even overlooking that, I'm a proponent of waiting until you have young players who are able to take on the role of the player being traded away, because using free agency to fill a hole you created from a trade is expensive and unreliable
- I am a proponent of having a wave of young core players taking ownership for the team's success. Dustin Brown did it when he was in his early 20s, showing traits that Lombardi recognized immediately of that as a leader. DeBrincat certainly brought a lot to the team's success, and his rookie year as on par with Toffoli's BEST season. Who are the Blackhawks looking to for leadership, aside from Kane and Toews?
This is like Buffalo trying to tank for McDavid, but they are starting much earlier in the season instead of the trade deadline. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they trade another young player at the trade deadline if that prospect dares play well enough to help the team win.
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Jericho111091
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Ducks fans big mad about the Brown statue. It's hilarious
they have a statue of a f***ing cartoon duck
TruKingFan
Two-Time Cup Winner
Hahaha!
What? $100+ million already cashed, $4M bonus paid for 22/23 …
… oh what a horrible situation for the 3 time cup winner, two time Olympic gold winner …
STFU you entitled little bitch!
You signed the deal, suck it up.
What? $100+ million already cashed, $4M bonus paid for 22/23 …
… oh what a horrible situation for the 3 time cup winner, two time Olympic gold winner …
STFU you entitled little bitch!
You signed the deal, suck it up.
BringTheReign
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I still can't believe they dropped two 1st round picks in the Jones trade.
bland
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This summer is the mea culpa, the purge leading to a fresh start. In many ways it is easier for a franchise that has had a lot of success to pull the plug since they achieved the goal. A lot of teams in the perpetual chase don't get the luxory of a complete remodeling.
And things look like shit in a remodel. Not every trade needs to be won or fair market value. Sometimes the empty space left is a positive in and of itself because you are removing a barrier to the road you have no choice but to take. Mediocrity is a flat level, its not a rung on the ladder up. If mediocrity is the best you can do, what are you really doing?
Nobody needs a purge like Chicago. There is a stink there that needs to be aired out, and they are doing so instead of using the Jones deal as an excuse to feel forced to carry on inspite of what needed to be done. Its bold and assertive and will be known as the moment they changed their fortunes.
As far as it applies to my comment towards the Kings, yeah, its the same thing. I don't blame Toews or Doughty or what Doughty said of Kopitar at all. Nobody wants to play a game for a living and know they have no chance to win. It just sucks to know you aren't trying to either. But I don't feel sorry for them either. Sure seems hard to believe that these guys don't know the devil of longterm contracts and how their game works. That's where the executives of the organization need to separate the people from the mission and not cave in when its so counterproductive. Collecting but misusing high-end prospects to justify the wishes of players who just aren't at that level anymore is the sort of thing to worry about. LA is going down that route, Chicago is taking the direct approach.
Gjwrams
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Ahh. The price of going for it and NOT getting it.
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