Around the League Thread part V

[YP44]

It took Torts almost cutting him in 2013 because he was slow AF to get it into his head he needs to improve. He never believed he was a bad skater. Then he hired a skating coach and got better.

kudos to Boyle for doing such

 

[King'sPawn]

The best part was the constant pimping of EK's possession numbers but blaming poor goaltending as to why EK was among the worst in the league in GAA on ice per 60 every season. But he controls play! Being on the ice for a high number of goals against and low save % absolutely had to do with the fact that EK is a bad defender and the opposition getting golden scoring opportunities while he was out there. In Drew's prime he had league leading type possession numbers AND low GAA on ice per 60. Oh and don't forget that EK didn't play on the PK because he was more valuable to be played exclusively on the PP. What a joke.

I kid you not, when I would argue with some of them, I would actually hear comments that "playing PK is easier than the powerplay" because "they're just standing around and not getting tired."

 

[AbsentMojo]

I kid you not, when I would argue with some of them, I would actually hear comments that "playing PK is easier than the powerplay" because "they're just standing around and not getting tired."

A lot of fans dont understand that reacting to someone else's movements from a relatively stationary position is a hell of alot harder than initiating movement on offense... thats why you see teams that hold possession for an entire PP turn the D into rag dolls when it seems they all moved around about the same amount.

 

[Steve Zissou]

This kid needs help.



"Ryan left the stolen items on a counter along his way and entered Little Harpeth Brewing, where officers found him seated at the bar ordering a drink. Police say he was not compliant with them, was extremely intoxicated, and did not know where he was, the date, or the time, and could not stand on his own."

 

[Stimpythecat]

I hope he gets the help he needs.

 

[Telos]

This kid needs help.



"Ryan left the stolen items on a counter along his way and entered Little Harpeth Brewing, where officers found him seated at the bar ordering a drink. Police say he was not compliant with them, was extremely intoxicated, and did not know where he was, the date, or the time, and could not stand on his own."

He's struggled openly about addiction and tweeted today that he was embarrassed and getting back with the program, etc. Rooting for him to turn it around and stay in the positive. He's had a little Patrick O'Sullivan-like (not exactly) upbringing and definitely has his reasons for wanting to forget...

 

[kingsholygrail]

Addiction is a lifelong ailment. There is no cure for it. All he can do is manage it the best of his ability which includes getting back on the program when you fall out.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

The problem I have with Dom's models is they don't seem to take into account the team surrounding the player. Seth Jones is probably overpaid, but Chicago was so brutal last year. If you swap Jones and Makar (who led the best contract list), is Jones still on this list or does Jones put up a boatload of points and look like a top pairing defenseman? Probably the latter.

Doughty suffered the same fate on some pretty bad Kings teams. And as a veteran on a rebuilding team, the truth is how motivated are you to go out and put your body on the line night after night for a team that isn't going anywhere?

We can laugh at Chicago for the trade, sure, but not the player. Is Jones overpaid? Probably, but not by that much. Would you take Jones at $7 million? I would. Especially on a contending team with something to play for.

Re: the bolded--they do account for teammates by weighting in how the player performs relative to average and relative to his teammates:

That leaves the following weights for expected goals and goals (measured as a combination of relative to average and relative to team):

Improving our NHL projection model ahead of the 2019-20 season

Outlining the changes to Dom's prediction model.

theathletic.com

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Bobby has become very open about his struggles and doesn't blame anyone but himself...at least from what we see publicly. Makes it very, very easy to root for the best for him and because of that, even when he slips, he's an excellent role model for others struggling with similar. Shit happens and no one is perfect, but how you dust yourself off and rise again is important.

 

[King'sPawn]

Hooray for keeping disgruntled leadership!

 

[Schrute farms]

5+ years?!? Haven't the Hawks been rebuilding for 3-5 years now already.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Someone should remind Toews that the Blackhawks haven't finished above sixth in their own division since 2017, they have been shit for awhile now

 

[bland]

Hooray for keeping disgruntled leadership!

Same exact shit Doughty just said last year, and he outed Kopitar as feeling the same way.

Somehow its different here? Only real difference is that Chicago management isn't sabotaging a rebuild to patronize the players.

 

[unicornpig]

Same exact shit Doughty just said last year, and he outed Kopitar as feeling the same way.

Somehow its different here? Only real difference is that Chicago management isn't sabotaging a rebuild to patronize the players.

stop, the hawks gave up more assests in the seth jones trade then in the entirety of the kings rebuild LOL

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Besides underselling players, what exactly has Chicago accomplished in their rebuild to demonstrate they’re taking the right path as opposed to what the Kings started doing with their rebuild in 2019?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Same exact shit Doughty just said last year, and he outed Kopitar as feeling the same way.

Somehow its different here? Only real difference is that Chicago management isn't sabotaging a rebuild to patronize the players.

Yeah it's different attitudinally, i agree iwth you there. Chicago mgmt has basically said 'f*** you, we're doing this' rather than trying to keep it in-house and satisfy the vets.

But outwardly they've also fumbled the bag hard on several occasions so...

 

[KingsFan7824]

Same exact shit Doughty just said last year, and he outed Kopitar as feeling the same way.

Somehow its different here? Only real difference is that Chicago management isn't sabotaging a rebuild to patronize the players.

Again, this is the last contractually obligated season for a 33 and 34 year old Kane and Toews. The Kings have not been in the same position with Kopitar and Doughty. And no, they weren't trading them in 2016 or 2018 when they were re-signed. They hadn't yet missed the playoffs all the time yet. Yes, I know, just making the playoffs doesn't matter, but it does to the actual franchises.

But who cares, the Hawks in 2022 are the same as the Kings in 2019. One size fits all.

 

[King'sPawn]

Same exact shit Doughty just said last year, and he outed Kopitar as feeling the same way.

Somehow its different here? Only real difference is that Chicago management isn't sabotaging a rebuild to patronize the players.

You're going to bat hard for an org who prefers leaders looking the other way when teammates get assaulted. And who traded away good young players while keeping the waste.

They literally traded away so many valuable young pieces and kept older shitty malcontent leaders. It's not that great vision you're espousing. Especially if they lose the lottery and fail to get Bedard/Michkov.

You keep conveniently overlooking those key differences in why it's different.

Edit: I'll add, because this always seems to be lost:
- I'm not an advocate of "just trading players" particularly core/key players, just because they have value
- Even overlooking that, I'm a proponent of waiting until you have young players who are able to take on the role of the player being traded away, because using free agency to fill a hole you created from a trade is expensive and unreliable
- I am a proponent of having a wave of young core players taking ownership for the team's success. Dustin Brown did it when he was in his early 20s, showing traits that Lombardi recognized immediately of that as a leader. DeBrincat certainly brought a lot to the team's success, and his rookie year as on par with Toffoli's BEST season. Who are the Blackhawks looking to for leadership, aside from Kane and Toews?

This is like Buffalo trying to tank for McDavid, but they are starting much earlier in the season instead of the trade deadline. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they trade another young player at the trade deadline if that prospect dares play well enough to help the team win.

 

[Jericho111091]

Ducks fans big mad about the Brown statue. It's hilarious

 

[tbrown33]

Ducks fans big mad about the Brown statue. It's hilarious

they have a statue of a f***ing cartoon duck

 

[TruKingFan]

Hooray for keeping disgruntled leadership!

They’ve had the best off-season so far says some around here lmao

 

[Token]

Hahaha!

Hooray for keeping disgruntled leadership!

What? $100+ million already cashed, $4M bonus paid for 22/23 …

… oh what a horrible situation for the 3 time cup winner, two time Olympic gold winner …

STFU you entitled little bitch!

You signed the deal, suck it up.

 

[BringTheReign]

5+ years?!? Haven't the Hawks been rebuilding for 3-5 years now already.

I still can't believe they dropped two 1st round picks in the Jones trade.

 

[bland]

Yeah it's different attitudinally, i agree iwth you there. Chicago mgmt has basically said 'f*** you, we're doing this' rather than trying to keep it in-house and satisfy the vets.

But outwardly they've also fumbled the bag hard on several occasions so...

This summer is the mea culpa, the purge leading to a fresh start. In many ways it is easier for a franchise that has had a lot of success to pull the plug since they achieved the goal. A lot of teams in the perpetual chase don't get the luxory of a complete remodeling.

And things look like shit in a remodel. Not every trade needs to be won or fair market value. Sometimes the empty space left is a positive in and of itself because you are removing a barrier to the road you have no choice but to take. Mediocrity is a flat level, its not a rung on the ladder up. If mediocrity is the best you can do, what are you really doing?

Nobody needs a purge like Chicago. There is a stink there that needs to be aired out, and they are doing so instead of using the Jones deal as an excuse to feel forced to carry on inspite of what needed to be done. Its bold and assertive and will be known as the moment they changed their fortunes.

As far as it applies to my comment towards the Kings, yeah, its the same thing. I don't blame Toews or Doughty or what Doughty said of Kopitar at all. Nobody wants to play a game for a living and know they have no chance to win. It just sucks to know you aren't trying to either. But I don't feel sorry for them either. Sure seems hard to believe that these guys don't know the devil of longterm contracts and how their game works. That's where the executives of the organization need to separate the people from the mission and not cave in when its so counterproductive. Collecting but misusing high-end prospects to justify the wishes of players who just aren't at that level anymore is the sort of thing to worry about. LA is going down that route, Chicago is taking the direct approach.

 

[Gjwrams]

Combining the Panthers last 3 major recent trades:

Florida trades:
Huberdeau
Weeger
Owen Tippett
Cole Schwindt
Ty Smilanic
2023 1st round pick (top 10 protected, would slide to 2024 1st)
2024 1st round pick (top 10 protected, would slide to 2025 1st)
2025 1st round pick (lottery protected, would slide to 2026 1sr)
2023 3rd round pick
2022 4th round pick

Florida receives:
Tkachuk
Giroux (for two months)
Chiarot (for two months)
German Rubtsov (now a free agent)
Connor Bunnaman
2024 5th round pick (Flyers)
2024 4th round pick (Calgary)

This is an absolute disaster

Ahh. The price of going for it and NOT getting it.