Around the League Thread part V

[kingsfan28]

Yeah that Fiala deal is looking absolutely genius right now.



That was basically Seravalli's take too, sounds like Calgary basically kicked the can down the road for a year, maybe got two assets to trade at the deadline instead of one, etc.

Still not great outcome obviously but I can understand that explanation

Yeah, if they dont see an extension coming, some teams will pay for Huberdeau bigtime at the trade deadline. They could potentialy get 2 more firsts.

 

[kingsfan28]

this is one of those trades with a thousand angles to it and none of them are particularly bad (except for losing another 1st)

pretty interesting

tkachuk is the winner overall though, $3M upgrade locked down, from calgary to ft lauderdale.... yes sir.

While Huberdeau is a really good player, the Flames fanbase can't be happy at all what went down this last month. Your two very popular star players gone just like that.

 

[LAKings88]

I don’t see Calgary being a better team today on paper.

Wonder if the new guys get flipped at the deadline with no deals in place.

 

[BigKing]

Most entertaining thing about Kings hockey for five years or so now was playing Calgary when both Doughty and Tkachuk were playing. COVID took a season of it away and then injuries ruined the fun last year. Now it's only twice a year at best total and once at home.

Really bummed he's in the east. Maybe the Kings have something going with Edmonton now but Tkachuk seemed to be the only thing that could pull this group of nice guys into a heated hockey game.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don’t see Calgary being a better team today on paper.

Wonder if the new guys get flipped at the deadline with no deals in place.

If anything it signals the beginning of the end for that core, like they'll see how they do this year and take another swipe at the playoffs, but if they dont', gonna unload everything over 28. At least, they should. There's not much there to suggest they're not gonna be a black hole team for a few years at this point.

 

[kingsfan28]

Most entertaining thing about Kings hockey for five years or so now was playing Calgary when both Doughty and Tkachuk were playing. COVID took a season of it away and then injuries ruined the fun last year. Now it's only twice a year at best total and once at home.

Really bummed he's in the east. Maybe the Kings have something going with Edmonton now but Tkachuk seemed to be the only thing that could pull this group of nice guys into a heated hockey game.

Durzi didn't put up with his shit no matter how much he tried. For some reason, I don't think that rivalry between Doughty and Tkachuk will be much anymore. A slash here and there but not much more.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yeah but now we have that pouty bitch Huberdeau to punk left and right!

 

[kingsboy11]

Flames are in this weird spot now where they've lost their 2 best players, one for free and one for a players on expiring contracst. Flames are good enough to compete for a playoff spot, but what do they do with Huberdeau if they're right on the bubble? Probably do what the Preds did with Forsberg and just hope you can convince Huberdeau to stay, but he's going to want to get paid as he's entering his 30s.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Yeah, if they dont see an extension coming, some teams will pay for Huberdeau bigtime at the trade deadline. They could potentialy get 2 more firsts.

 

[AbsentMojo]

If anything it signals the beginning of the end for that core, like they'll see how they do this year and take another swipe at the playoffs, but if they dont', gonna unload everything over 28. At least, they should. There's not much there to suggest they're not gonna be a black hole team for a few years at this point.

You wonder what Sutter is thinking - does he want to be part of a rebuild or not. Markstrom had a crappy playoffs. He's unproven in the post season so there's a question mark there. It feels like thats a franchise in some chaos.. the direction is unclear. Though the trade does at least give them time to figure it out, I believe they should blow it all up because they are not going to beat the Avs for at least 2 years no matter what their roster is like - so now would be good time for a rebuild.

 

[kingsfan28]

Is Huberdeau a 9 mil plus player? Don't really know that much about him.

 

[johnjm22]

Is Huberdeau a 9 mil plus player? Don't really know that much about him.

He had the second most points of any player in the NHL last year. Only McDavid had more.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Is Huberdeau a 9 mil plus player? Don't really know that much about him.

Over a PPG the last 4 years, including 115 points last year, he's really good. Wouldn't want to give him 8 years though...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Over a PPG the last 4 years, including 115 points last year, he's really good. Wouldn't want to give him 8 years though...

Yeah it's a tough one. I do think his game would age like Gaudreau's, since it's based on vision and finesse rather than physical prowess. So in that regard it's a 'fair' trade., But if you're Calgary, how long can you pretend your'e a contender?

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Yeah it's a tough one. I do think his game would age like Gaudreau's, since it's based on vision and finesse rather than physical prowess. So in that regard it's a 'fair' trade., But if you're Calgary, how long can you pretend your'e a contender?

If I'm Calgary I'm flipping Huberdeau at 50% retained to the highest bigger of top prospects and picks. Huberdeau at under 3 million for a year would be mighty enticing for some teams

 

[YP44]

Weeger and Huberdeau are both great, but they're both pending UFA's.

Huberdeau will be 30 when his next contract starts. Weeger will also turn 30 in the 1st year of his next deal.

This is a great deal for the Flames in the short term, but not good in the medium term or long term IMO. The 1st round pick they get will be will late in the round.

Who kows where Florida will be picking come 2025. Tkachuk is slow and may not age well. I would rather have a 30 year old Huberdeau than a 27 year old Tkachuk. Will see if the Flames can re-sign

Is Huberdeau a 9 mil plus player? Don't really know that much about him.

to me he is easily

 

[YP44]

If I'm Calgary I'm flipping Huberdeau at 50% retained to the highest bigger of top prospects and picks. Huberdeau at under 3 million for a year would be mighty enticing for some teams

Murray Edward will never let the flames to a full strip down rebuild. If they were to this would have been the year to do it.
Not sure what is more underated Huberdeau being elite or Weeger being part of this deal. It's too bad Button is a dinosaur and the flames drafting has been shit, because Brad T has done a hell of a job IMO since coming to Calgary

 

[johnjm22]

Who kows where Florida will be picking come 2025. Tkachuk is slow and may not age well. I would rather have a 30 year old Huberdeau than a 27 year old Tkachuk. Will see if the Flames can re-sign


to me he is easily

Tkachuk is only 24 though.

 

[kilowatt]

Tkachuk is only 24 though.

The only Kings forwards younger than Tkachuk in game 7 were Kaliyev, Kupari, and Lizotte (by two days).

 

[KingsFan7824]

Yeah it's a tough one. I do think his game would age like Gaudreau's, since it's based on vision and finesse rather than physical prowess. So in that regard it's a 'fair' trade., But if you're Calgary, how long can you pretend your'e a contender?

Some fans don't like it. It's sell, sell, sell all the time. Flip every asset for younger ones, until you hit that perfect moment. The majority of teams, most of the time, don't work that way though. Buffalo lost both Briere and Drury on the same summer day in 2007, but they didn't flat out suck until.13-14. Maybe that's just bad management in Buffalo, because they're still rebuilding almost a decade after bottoming out, but most teams don't want to be bad.

After this year, with Lucic and Monahan gone as UFAs, that's an extra $11m+. Re-sign Huberdeau if he'll stay, use the open space wisely, and you could have a decent team again. Maybe not a contender, but there are only so many true contenders any given year. Most playoff teams are hoping things fall their way for a few weeks. And if you happen to get some playoff game revenue, it's a nice little bonus.

This contender or nothing thing is unrealistic. Where are you likely to end up after you rebuild? Back in the middle, where you were before you rebuilt. Or you get good, but not quite good enough, because there are only so many players to go around. You end up as perennial bridesmaid SJ. Just a laughingstock due to how pathetic they were.

 

[bland]

Some fans don't like it. It's sell, sell, sell all the time. Flip every asset for younger ones, until you hit that perfect moment. The majority of teams, most of the time, don't work that way though. Buffalo lost both Briere and Drury on the same summer day in 2007, but they didn't flat out suck until.13-14. Maybe that's just bad management in Buffalo, because they're still rebuilding almost a decade after bottoming out, but most teams don't want to be bad.

After this year, with Lucic and Monahan gone as UFAs, that's an extra $11m+. Re-sign Huberdeau if he'll stay, use the open space wisely, and you could have a decent team again. Maybe not a contender, but there are only so many true contenders any given year. Most playoff teams are hoping things fall their way for a few weeks. And if you happen to get some playoff game revenue, it's a nice little bonus.

This contender or nothing thing is unrealistic. Where are you likely to end up after you rebuild? Back in the middle, where you were before you rebuilt. Or you get good, but not quite good enough, because there are only so many players to go around. You end up as perennial bridesmaid SJ. Just a laughingstock due to how pathetic they were.

San Jose has won six playoff series since the Kings last won one. Conference Finals twice, Finals once. Not sure I would disparage that franchise, they dug in and took their best shot.

They locked in too many retirement deals, strip-mined their asset list and didn't get over the hump. Forced a rebuild, which they are just a year into at this point.

Seems like you constantly misunderstand the argument. Not every team needs to scorch the earth, only those that go all-in and leave the cupboards bare. If you have no cost-controlled assets you cannot win. That level of support is vital on-ice and in the boardroom. Maneuverability is the key. The Kings needed to go that route, just like Chicago is taking it this summer.

 

[YP44]

Tkachuk is only 24 though.

For some reason I thought he was 26 and therefore start of the 23-24 season would be 27. Was doing 1 year because that was his qualifying or what he would have had in arbitration.
I still think Huberdeau will age better than Tkachuk. Key will be for Calgary to re-sign

 

[KingsFan7824]

San Jose has won six playoff series since the Kings last won one. Conference Finals twice, Finals once. Not sure I would disparage that franchise, they dug in and took their best shot.

They locked in too many retirement deals, strip-mined their asset list and didn't get over the hump. Forced a rebuild, which they are just a year into at this point.

Seems like you constantly misunderstand the argument. Not every team needs to scorch the earth, only those that go all-in and leave the cupboards bare. If you have no cost-controlled assets you cannot win. That level of support is vital on-ice and in the boardroom. Maneuverability is the key. The Kings needed to go that route, just like Chicago is taking it this summer.

What SJ did for 15 years should absolutely be respected, because it's damn difficult to do that, but come on, everyone rips them constantly because they didn't win what matters most. What they did might be tougher than getting hot one year and winning a single Cup, but good luck trying to justify that sentiment.

They just gave a soon to be 29 year old an 8 year deal. Their previous stupid GM did that, but, we'll see how their roadblocked rebuild goes.

And when is Chicago doing the smart thing? In the last contractually obligated year of a 33 and 34 year old Kane and Toews. And after they've already been terrible as a team. But the Hawks were done winning anything like 5 years ago. However, if this was Jan, and the Hawks were in 1st place, they ain't trading Kane.

 

[kingsfan28]

Was it overpayment by FLA? MK is good, but so is Huberdeau aside from a few years older. Still seems like a lot to give up for almost equal players, who both needed new deals.

 

[YP44]

Was it overpayment by FLA? MK is good, but so is Huberdeau aside from a few years older. Still seems like a lot to give up for almost equal players, who both needed new deals.

Tkathuck did not need a new deal. It was the first sign and trade in NHL history.

I do not think they are equal players but can understand the debate.