Around the League Thread part V

[kovacro]

Fiala basically came with an extension: Debrincat can walk after this season.

Do players want to play in Ottawa? If you are Debrincat, wouldn't you want to just hit UFA and pick your spot?

There is a big difference between 7OA and 19OA but I'd rather have Faber than the extra picks Chicago received. The risk of him walking is a big deal though.

DeBrincat is an RFA after this season. I’m sure the Sens will qualify and look to extend him long term.

They are building a good group there. Talk of Giroux potentially landing there as well.

Not many teams have the cap space to take on a guy that could make $8.8-9 million per going forward. Don’t think the Hawks had many options in terms of teams to deal him to.

 

[kilowatt]

Weak draft, don’t see the separation of picks as that huge…

This happens pretty much every year. Next year is always a really strong draft, until it starts getting closer and closer to next year, at which point that draft sucks and it’s actually the next year that’s great.

Wright was so hyped a year or two ago. Lafreniere was too.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

People are severely underselling the value of the #7 OA pick.

Yes it's 'magic beans' and we like to make fun of that here but it's a near-lottery pick that's rarely traded for anything less than a major haul.

 

[Sol]

I know math is hard for some folks, but let me help you out here. Getting to 7 with 19 is roughly the equivalent of the 25 pick as per draft pick values. Faber is maybe a late 1st value -- so let's say #25 (which may be a bit generous). That's what we gave up for Fiala. Debrincat got that PLUS #39 and a future 3rd. That's more. Math.

Doing more meth than math it seems!

Thought it was obvious that I was being sarcastic. But keep being a douche lol

People are severely underselling the value of the #7 OA pick.

Yes it's 'magic beans' and we like to make fun of that here but it's a near-lottery pick that's rarely traded for anything less than a major haul.

Exactly people can have their own Vilardi and Turcotte baby !

 

[johnjm22]

I guess it’s a buyers market. So if you want to go big on a trade, might as well do it now.

 

[YP44]

This happens pretty much every year. Next year is always a really strong draft, until it starts getting closer and closer to next year, at which point that draft sucks and it’s actually the next year that’s great.

Wright was so hyped a year or two ago. Lafreniere was too.

except Bedard and Michkov look soooooo good. Way above Wright a year ago or Laf a year before his draft.

 

[BigKing]

DeBrincat is an RFA after this season. I’m sure the Sens will qualify and look to extend him long term.

They are building a good group there. Talk of Giroux potentially landing there as well.

Not many teams have the cap space to take on a guy that could make $8.8-9 million per going forward. Don’t think the Hawks had many options in terms of teams to deal him to.

You're right. I initially saw it as UFA.

Worth the risk, obviously, but it isn't like Fiala where it seemed like they already had a contract in hand.

Still seems like a light price to pay though. If the Kings were in on Debrincat, the ask was probably Clarke + in order to get something comparable to 7OA this year.

**Edit**

And I think his QO is like Matt Tkachuk level action so his extension is going to be more than Fiala's as well.

 

[kingsfan28]

Avs not looking like they are going to be doing much in the next few drafts. Defending champ going into next season and the 23' deadline it's likely they trade another pick or two. The price of winning but you do it all day long if it gets you to the top of the summit.

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It's the Dean Lombardi model after winner a cup or two.

 

[AbsentMojo]

It's the Dean Lombardi model after winner a cup or two.

There was DL 1.0 - Crawford, Cloutier, and any FA he could find to fill holes - guys w. missing ligatments was his forte.. then DL 2.0 when he started to build the winner and win 2 cups.. Followed immediately by DL 3.0 chasing another cup while snorting large amounts of blow and making franchise future imploding deals.

 

[All The Kings Men]

There was DL 1.0 - Crawford, Cloutier, and any FA he could find to fill holes - guys w. missing ligatments was his forte.. then DL 2.0 when he started to build the winner and win 2 cups.. Followed immediately by DL 3.0 chasing another cup while snorting large amounts of blow and making franchise future imploding deals.

everybody conveniently ignores the fact that Lombardi 2.0 and 3.0 were the same guy but 2.0 had more runway to make mistakes

 

[YAYSAY]

Have a feeling the Sens are gonna be good soon and stay good for awhile. Team where all their leaders are pretty young and can continue to grow into their roles, reach the point where you can add some veteran depth and they'll be a force to be reckoned with

 

[Maynard]

everybody conveniently ignores the fact that Lombardi 2.0 and 3.0 were the same guy but 2.0 had more runway to make mistakes

I’d argue that Lombardi 3.0 was crippled by loyalty and misplaced trust in several of the vets after they won for him, which skewed his decisions. Runway had nothing to do with it. Or if it did, he ran HIMSELF out of runway with poor decisions.

 

[YP44]

I’d argue that Lombardi 3.0 was crippled by loyalty and misplaced trust in several of the vets after they won for him, which skewed his decisions. Runway had nothing to do with it. Or if it did, he ran HIMSELF out of runway with poor decisions.

he was moving away and learning from that misplaced trust. Didn't get a second chance to turn it around

 

[RaymondReddington]

M-A Fleury resigns with Wild. 2 years for $7m

The Atlantic just shot me this notification

 

[kilowatt]

M-A Fleury resigns with Wild. 2 years for $7m

The Atlantic just shot me this notification

 

[Sleeping Dog]

Shane Wright dropping down.

 

[kingsfan28]

Jones also got $9.5m for 8 years, so it's like what the Kings did with Kovalchuk, but like a billion times worse

All it cost was cash and cap space getting Kovi. Nothing more. We had both and it was a low risk shot at a legit scorer. It did not prevent anyone from Ontario from getting a spot [there was nobody], nor prevent them from resigning a rfa/ufa. Who could've predicted Kopitar and Doughty would be so inept at getting him the puck on the pp.

 

[kingsfan28]

 

[kingsfan28]

 

[All The Kings Men]

I’d argue that Lombardi 3.0 was crippled by loyalty and misplaced trust in several of the vets after they won for him, which skewed his decisions. Runway had nothing to do with it. Or if it did, he ran HIMSELF out of runway with poor decisions.

that's kinda my point... Dean 2.0 didn't do Dean 3.0 any favors

the only thing 3.0 did differently than 2.0 was reward players with contracts they earned during 2.0

which is how the runway disappeared

 

[KingsFan7824]

Three different Lombardi's? What? Williams and Mitchell could've worked as well as McCauley with a little bad luck. Giving Cloutier an extension before he plays a game is the same general I trust you as keeping Richards. He traded Schenn, Simmonds, and two 1st's before ever getting out of the 1st rd, the same way he gave Purcell away for a couple games of Halpern.

He was the same Lombardi from start to finish. He happened to end up with with the right mix only after two huge unplanned moves in addition to the move that was supposed to put them over the top.

 

[HookKing]

All it cost was cash and cap space getting Kovi. Nothing more. We had both and it was a low risk shot at a legit scorer. It did not prevent anyone from Ontario from getting a spot [there was nobody], nor prevent them from resigning a rfa/ufa. Who could've predicted Kopitar and Doughty would be so inept at getting him the puck on the pp.

Probably the same guy that predicted Kovi couldn't hit the net to save his life.

 

[lumbergh]

Shane Wright dropping down.

Kraken building something solid with Beniers and Wright.

 

[Herby]

I know math is hard for some folks, but let me help you out here. Getting to 7 with 19 is roughly the equivalent of the 25 pick as per draft pick values. Faber is maybe a late 1st value -- so let's say #25 (which may be a bit generous). That's what we gave up for Fiala. Debrincat got that PLUS #39 and a future 3rd. That's more. Math.

I think a blind spot to this board is just how valuable high picks are. This includes how much value they have in trades, but also how important it is for the success of a franchise that is rebuilding to hit on them. Chicago whiffing on their top 5 when they could have had multiple star players stings.

I do disagree though that Faber would have gone 25 in this draft. I think if hypothetically Faber were available that he would have gone 12-15. So the Kings basically gave up two mid 1st round picks for Fiala. I can live with that, I think it was a great trade for LA and Minnesota.

 

[tny760]

Jones also got $9.5m for 8 years, so it's like what the Kings did with Kovalchuk, but like a billion times worse

forgot about that contract

bet he wasn't thinking about the rugpull when he signed that one