Around the League Thread Part IV

[Albi]

Yeah I was off the get Eichel train but for what buffalo got for him Kempe=tuch, kupari=Krebs, 22 1st and our 3rd. I'd do that in a heartbeat. Plus our first this year will be better then the Knights. Sabres are the worst run franchise in sports. Talk about Ryan O'Reilly all over again.

It's exactly what I meant...they paid peanuts for a superstar who's entering his prime.

 

[Gjwrams]

It's exactly what I meant...they paid peanuts for a superstar who's entering his prime.

and a jacked up neck, going into an experimental surgery who won’t be on the ice until next year. There is some risk there. When healthy Jack is great. There is a reason that so many teams bowed out.

 

[King'sPawn]

Eichel still needs his surgery. Tuch and Krebs have more value than Kupari and Kempe

 

[cyclones22]

What are some of you on? Tuch is a much better player than Kempe and Krebs is more highly regarded than Kupari. And I like Kempe and Kupari for what they are. But those are not equivalencies at all.

 

[Statto]

I can't stand that this franchise of clows got Eichel, and didn't really gave up to much.
- Tuch is a good player, as Kempe is...
- Krebs has a good upside but he's a prospect (and we got plenty of them)
- couple picks

I guess the Kings are happy with their Cs, and Blake might be right, with Byfield and Turcotte in the fold. But it sucks thinking that we'll have to worry about Eichel for a while now.
He could have been ours.

Forget on ice and the injury. I didn’t want him in our dressing room, far too much noise about everything from his camp constantly. Not what I want to see in our team culture.

We need to use our assets for the LHD that we need far more and we will likely have to overpay for them. So I was never interested in a player that needs a risky surgery and has some serious red flags IMO on the character side of things.

Edit: The trade itself is great value on paper for the Knights, but it’s also telling that it’s the best offer Buffalo got. That tells a story in of itself.

 

[BringTheReign]

I was a broken record over the summer on the main boards about the Eichel trade being similar to the Carter and Richards trades, and it basically played out exactly that way. An up and coming roster player (Tuch ~= Simmonds/JMFJ), a grade A prospect (Krebs ~= Schenn/Voracek), and 1st or 2nd round picks to even it out depending on the quality of the first two pieces.

The only bummer about it now is that hoping Eichel gets back to elite status ASAP for the Olympics means Vegas gets astronomically better as well. At least we have Danault and Kopitar rather than just Kopi for those matchups now.

 

[Schrute farms]

Tuch >>> Kempe

Quite risky for Vegas. They basically need the best case scenario (Eichel gets back to normal with LT health....and soon) for it to work out. Anything less is them losing this trade. That's a LOT of money to be paying for a guy who can't play until end of this year (at best) and is questionable to have a LT career...let alone back to his normal self. Sure they gave up a lesser package, but that's because it's risky. Those guys and those picks would be VERY useful to a SCup contending team. If Eichel isn't back and 100%, how do they beat the likes of Avs, Blues, etc. in the West and whomever comes out of the East. I really think Vegas has made some questionable moves the past 12 months or so and in doing so has limited their Cup run (or at least gambled way too much than necessary).

 

[KingsFan7824]

Once the Kings got Danault, I imagine the Eichel train had left. While Eichel/Kopitar/Danault would be great, assuming health, then you might as well just send Byfield to Buffalo and not mess around. He's not going to be a winger.

Just because Vegas got one deal, doesn't automatically mean there's an exact equivalent for the Kings.

Should Eichel come back this year, before the playoffs, Vegas is going to lose on the other end. They'll have to get rid of some cap. They might even have some trouble getting to the playoffs, you never know.

 

[King'sPawn]

At the very least, the Kings equivalent would be Turcotte, Björnfot, 1st, 2nd, for a center whose return is still up in the air.

And the last time he was close to a full season (77 games) 3 seasons ago.

 

[KingLB]

At the very least, the Kings equivalent would be Turcotte, Björnfot, 1st, 2nd, for a center whose return is still up in the air.

And the last time he was close to a full season (77 games) 3 seasons ago.

This, Krebs value closer to Turcotte than Kupari.

And remember this is Eichel value with huge risk. If he comes back 100, Buffalo loses trade no matter. If he doesn’t, then they probably win trade. This situation just so weird.

 

[BigKing]

C'mon now with Kempe = Tuch.

That said, this isn't a giant haul for Buffalo. Vegas just fixed one of the hardest things to obtain: young and elite #1C. If the surgery works out, of course.

 

[KingsHockey24]

I like this deal more for Buffalo than I do for Vegas.

We've already seen signs of Vegas getting worse. Can quite possibly be missing the playoffs this year and the years to follow.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Another star super stoked to finally be leaving Buffalo. Hard to blame the guy.

But another reason to hate Vegas.
https://twitter.com/jackeichel/status/1456281107004108803?s=20

 

[Schrute farms]

And the last time he was close to a full season (77 games) 3 seasons ago.

Not to mention, he's never had to play through a grueling SC playoff run. How's he going to hold up for 100+ game season for a team that is in the SC final. We all know those 20+ SC playoff games are so rough and it's about body survival to get thru. If he can, they struck gold. But i'll believe it when i see it.

 

[tny760]

"experimental" neck surgery eichel is better than press box eichel

i give krebs tuch 1st for eichel all day long and they're in a position to afford that risk

 

[Telos]

f***, I really didn't want him to go to Vegas. That's going to be a pain in the ass. They also got him for a song. At least we stole Danault from them...

 

[Kudelski37]

Vegas has 3 4th lines for the next month or so with Karlson and Eichel out. Eichel will move Stephenson off the first line where Stephenson will struggle to produce instead of adding depth. Vegas might play themselves out of the playoffs before Eichel even plays.

 

[Bandit]

Months and months of BS for that? Ok. Cue Buffalo gong on a 10L streak now too probably.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Puts extra pressure on the Avs to get that 2C sorted out. Oilers & Knights with good center depth.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Vegas is aging and quickly, honestly

Eichel's a phenomenal player and the C VGK has always been lacking yet, is it too little too late? They've emptied the cupboards.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Eichel still needs his surgery. Tuch and Krebs have more value than Kupari and Kempe

Tuch is a better player than literally everyone on the Kings not named Kopitar or Doughty. There’s no way we could have put together a package for Eichel if they wanted a young player like Tuch in return.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Let's calm down a little. Tuch even on a powerhouse team is a 40-50 point guy. Dudes on our basement offense get mocked for that production. He's an absolute truck and unique skillset for a 3rd line guy, but he's a selfish player like AA. If he can't drive the offense by himself, he'll rarely use his teammates. He's a good get as a complementary player but he's not some overly coveted building block, plays a pretty straight line power game. He's definitely better than Kempe but there's no way I take him over Iafallo, just as an example. I think some of you guys have VGK PTSD.

 

[The Lukeman]

Tuch is a better player than literally everyone on the Kings not named Kopitar or Doughty. There’s no way we could have put together a package for Eichel if they wanted a young player like Tuch in return.

Turcotte is better than literally every prospect that Vegas has. Our picks are better than Vegas. Idk how you look at Kempe, Turcotte, 1st, 2nd and say Vegas has a better offer. I’m fine that we didn’t get Eichel, I’m mad that we weren’t in this conversation at this price.

 

[KingLB]

Turcotte is better than literally every prospect that Vegas has. Our picks are better than Vegas. Idk how you look at Kempe, Turcotte, 1st, 2nd and say Vegas has a better offer. I’m fine that we didn’t get Eichel, I’m mad that we weren’t in this conversation at this price.

Because you are underrating Krebs and overrating Turcotte. As much as I like Turcotte his stock has fallen due to various issues the last few years. League wide those 2 are seen as in the same “tier”.

I also think our picks won’t be that far apart. IE less than 10 spaces.

 

[kingsfan28]

It's exactly what I meant...they paid peanuts for a superstar who's entering his prime.

True, but with a big F-ing astrik next to his name. Damaged goods is still damaged goods.