Around the League - PLAYOFFS!?

[Carltons Cup]

Just spent the last 20 minutes luxuriating in postgame comments over at the Oilers board - I'm a terrible person

Lol. I feel sorry for Oiler fans. NOT.

Coach Knoblauch has his work cut out over there.... [MOD]

 

[BallardEra]

I think a huge part of the Oilers issue is what I saw in the Caps early years under Boudreau. Teams that could outscore pretty much every other team until something broke down and they were exposed.

Once exposed they hadn't no semblance of what playing defense was until they committed to it.

This is where the Oilers find themselves right now.

 

[PromisedLand]

Why no games tonight?

Absolute stupidity! No games on Thursday either (American Thanksgiving I suppose).

NHL schedule maker is freakin' DRUNK!

 

[3blizzard4]

Why no games tonight?

I feel like this years scheduling is so out of whack. One night 2 games. Next night 20 games.

No games tonight. A million tomorrow. Thursday is full day NFL so its understandable.

Leafs dont play this whole week again.

 

[ACC1224]

I feel like this years scheduling is so out of whack. One night 2 games. Next night 20 games.

No games tonight. A million tomorrow. Thursday is full day NFL so its understandable.

Leafs dont play this whole week again.

This helps explain it.

Hope youse can all cope

 

[Arzak]

Elite PK

 

[LeafSteel]

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Anybody know how Malgin faired in the Swiss league last night ?

I would assume he was being an elite line driver....possibly the 4th line?

Yes, but 5’9 182 lbs EVERY DAY!!!!!

 

[Lemontree]

He paced for 37 points last year, and didn't play well outside of production. Fans were all over him. He then started off the season really badly, and was getting dropped down the lineup. Picking up 40% of his season's points in the last 2 games helped his small sample pace, but he has been a regrettable signing for Dallas thus far.

Seems like a pretty ridiculous player to be talking about 4 years later, while bringing up a trade where neither team involved has anything left.

Seems more like offense never rests. 4 years.

Speaking of not having anything left:

2019 1st round pick #22, Sean Durzi, Carl Grundstrom for Jake Muzzin.
2020 1st round pick #13 to get rid of Marleau contract (1 year).
2021 1st round pick #25 for Nick Foligno.
2022 1st round pick #25 and Petr Mrazek for 2022 2nd round pick (#38 - Fraser Minten)
2022 2nd round pick (#58) and 2023 2nd round pick (#57) for Mark Giordano and Colin Blackwell.
2023 1st round pick (#25) and 2024 2nd round pick (# TBD) for Ryan O'Reilly and Noel Acciari.
2025 1st round pick (#TBD) and 2026 2nd round pick (#TBD) for Jake McCabe and Sam Lafferty).
2025 2nd round pick (#TBD) with Nick Ritchie for Ryan Dzingel and Ilya Lybushkin.

Since 2019, talking only about 1st and 2 round draft picks. Dubas traded away 6 Leafs first round picks (including 2025) and 5 Leafs 2nd round picks including 2024, 2025, 2026). What do the Toronto Maple Leafs organization in 2023 have to show for it?

Mark Giordino (roster)
Jake McCabe (roster)
Fraser Minten (prospect)
Jake Muzzin (LTIR until retirement)

 

[BallardEra]

 

[fahad203]

I think a huge part of the Oilers issue is what I saw in the Caps early years under Boudreau. Teams that could outscore pretty much every other team until something broke down and they were exposed.

Once exposed they hadn't no semblance of what playing defense was until they committed to it.

This is where the Oilers find themselves right now.

Not even close in my opinion. Caps drafted rather well beyond 1st round and got good value in return. They also signed some decent FA. Also drafted a decent goalie


Oilers drafting disastrous, FAs are ssubpar. McPhee actually made some good trades

 

[Peasy]

Speaking of not having anything left:

2019 1st round pick #22, Sean Durzi, Carl Grundstrom for Jake Muzzin.
2020 1st round pick #13 to get rid of Marleau contract (1 year).
2021 1st round pick #25 for Nick Foligno.
2022 1st round pick #25 and Petr Mrazek for 2022 2nd round pick (#38 - Fraser Minten)
2022 2nd round pick (#58) and 2023 2nd round pick (#57) for Mark Giordano and Colin Blackwell.
2023 1st round pick (#25) and 2024 2nd round pick (# TBD) for Ryan O'Reilly and Noel Acciari.
2025 1st round pick (#TBD) and 2026 2nd round pick (#TBD) for Jake McCabe and Sam Lafferty).
2025 2nd round pick (#TBD) with Nick Ritchie for Ryan Dzingel and Ilya Lybushkin.

Since 2019, talking only about 1st and 2 round draft picks. Dubas traded away 6 Leafs first round picks (including 2025) and 5 Leafs 2nd round picks including 2024, 2025, 2026). What do the Toronto Maple Leafs organization in 2023 have to show for it?

Mark Giordino (roster)
Jake McCabe (roster)
Fraser Minten (prospect)
Jake Muzzin (LTIR until retirement)

Great post.

Really shows you how easy it is to toss assets away while retaining nothing of value past the very short term. And it really adds up quick.

 

[Dekes For Days]

What do the Toronto Maple Leafs organization in 2023 have to show for it?

I mean, when you cherry pick specifically player assets remaining from the trade deadline additions of a consistently top tier team made 1-5 years ago that involved picks, you're not going to paint the prettiest picture of any GM, but it also completely misses the reason why those deals were made, the value returned, and the bigger picture of how the GM did.

 

[BallardEra]

Not even close in my opinion. Caps drafted rather well beyond 1st round and got good value in return. They also signed some decent FA. Also drafted a decent goalie


Oilers drafting disastrous, FAs are ssubpar. McPhee actually made some good trades

Later on for sure but them not caring about defence is what ultimately got Boudreau fired.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Great post.

Really shows you how easy it is to toss assets away while retaining nothing of value past the very short term. And it really adds up quick.

Also assets brought in like Kap for a 1st round and Sandin for a 1st

 

[PromisedLand]

 

[andora]

I mean, when you cherry pick specifically player assets remaining from the trade deadline additions of a consistently top tier team made 1-5 years ago that involved picks, you're not going to paint the prettiest picture of any GM, but it also completely misses the reason why those deals were made, the value returned, and the bigger picture of how the GM did.

I never liked how few players traded for were actually part of a lomg term plan

28 of the 36 players dubas acquired were out of the organization within a year.. the ones that stayed longer

hyman / kapanen / marincin / muzzin / kerfoot / clifford / campbell / giordano

Two always solid and a bunch of meh

 

[PromisedLand]

LOL

 

[All Mod Cons]

I never liked how few players traded for were actually part of a lomg term plan

28 of the 36 players dubas acquired were out of the organization within a year.. the ones that stayed longer

hyman / kapanen / marincin / muzzin / kerfoot / clifford / campbell / giordano

Two always solid and a bunch of meh

That's insane

 

[andora]

That's insane

Yes it is.. it is f***ing stupid

 

[Fogelhund]

I never liked how few players traded for were actually part of a lomg term plan

28 of the 36 players dubas acquired were out of the organization within a year.. the ones that stayed longer

hyman / kapanen / marincin / muzzin / kerfoot / clifford / campbell / giordano

Two always solid and a bunch of meh

Incomplete list. McCabe, Bunting, Timmin without even looking it up.

 

[andora]

Incomplete list. McCabe, Bunting, Timmin without even looking it up.

Bunting ufa
Dubas gone before other two will hit a year

 

[All Mod Cons]

Incomplete list. McCabe, Bunting, Timmin without even looking it up.

We didn't trade for Bunting. The other two should make it, now Kyle's gone.

 

[Lemontree]

I mean, when you cherry pick specifically player assets remaining from the trade deadline additions of a consistently top tier team made 1-5 years ago that involved picks, you're not going to paint the prettiest picture of any GM, but it also completely misses the reason why those deals were made, the value returned, and the bigger picture of how the GM did.

What cherry picking did I do? I showed where the Leafs 1st and 2nd round picks have been traded since 2019 and the assets those brought back that are still with the organization.

 

[tmlms13]

Speaking of not having anything left:

2019 1st round pick #22, Sean Durzi, Carl Grundstrom for Jake Muzzin.
2020 1st round pick #13 to get rid of Marleau contract (1 year).
2021 1st round pick #25 for Nick Foligno.
2022 1st round pick #25 and Petr Mrazek for 2022 2nd round pick (#38 - Fraser Minten)
2022 2nd round pick (#58) and 2023 2nd round pick (#57) for Mark Giordano and Colin Blackwell.
2023 1st round pick (#25) and 2024 2nd round pick (# TBD) for Ryan O'Reilly and Noel Acciari.
2025 1st round pick (#TBD) and 2026 2nd round pick (#TBD) for Jake McCabe and Sam Lafferty).
2025 2nd round pick (#TBD) with Nick Ritchie for Ryan Dzingel and Ilya Lybushkin.

Since 2019, talking only about 1st and 2 round draft picks. Dubas traded away 6 Leafs first round picks (including 2025) and 5 Leafs 2nd round picks including 2024, 2025, 2026). What do the Toronto Maple Leafs organization in 2023 have to show for it?

Mark Giordino (roster)
Jake McCabe (roster)
Fraser Minten (prospect)
Jake Muzzin (LTIR until retirement)

He also traded for a 1st round pick a couple times but I guess that doesn't fit your narrative

 

[Lemontree]

He also traded for a 1st round pick a couple times but I guess that doesn't fit your narrative

I listed what happened with the Leafs 1st and 2nd round draft picks. Go ahead, post the "assets" that Dubas has acquired that are with Leafs organization...its not an impressive list.