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andora said:
28 of the 36 players dubas acquired were out of the organization within a year..
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I mean, that's just flat out not true.
Just quickly going through... Tavares, Hyman, Muzzin, Brodie, McCabe, Bunting, Giordano, Mikheyev, Kapanen, Kampf, Kerfoot, Campbell, Samsonov, Spezza, Jarnkrok, Clifford, McMann, Timmins, Lafferty, Simmonds, Marincin, Hutchinson, Malgin, Andersson, Steeves, Kallgren, etc., not to mention all of the drafted prospects he had that have and will be with the team for multiple seasons.
 
andora said:
Wth? Why did mine get deleted

I didnt do trade deadline last year - do i update the numbers?
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Certain people can post snippets of comments and take out all the context and meaning from said post, all the while making the original poster look foolish. That is allowed.

Don't worry, everyone (mostly everyone) fully understood what you wrote and agree with you.
 
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All Mod Cons said:
Certain people can post snippets of comments and take out all the context and meaning from said post, all the while making the original poster look foolish. That is allowed.

Don't worry, everyone (mostly everyone) fully understood what you wrote and agree with you.
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Not that I was involved, but there are some things that will get deleted, and one is when the topic of conversation is/are poster(s), and not hockey.

If you discuss a post from a poster it isn't an issue, when you talk about the poster it is. What can then happen is the stream of posts get deleted because the reference point (originally quoted post) no longer is valid. The branches of the tree cannot exist without the root.
 
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ULF_55 said:
Not that I was involved, but there are some things that will get deleted, and one is when the topic of conversation is/are poster(s), and not hockey.

If you discuss a post from a poster it isn't an issue, when you talk about the poster it is. What can then happen is the stream of posts get deleted because the reference point (originally quoted post) no longer is valid. The branches of the tree cannot exist without the root.
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All fair - but confusing in which were deleted and not
 
ULF_55 said:
Not that I was involved, but there are some things that will get deleted, and one is when the topic of conversation is/are poster(s), and not hockey.

If you discuss a post from a poster it isn't an issue, when you talk about the poster it is. What can then happen is the stream of posts get deleted because the reference point (originally quoted post) no longer is valid. The branches of the tree cannot exist without the root.
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And that is completely fine. If I may, let me ask you a question.

What happens, when a poster continually and purposefully misrepresents people's posts by only selecting a single sentence or paragraph from a post?

Let's say, and if I may please emphasize the word continually, responds to posts that are well thought out and relevant to the conversation and decides to remove all context providing reasoning?

Let's say they just pick out a single sentence or paragraph, and then, in isolation, that post doesn't now look correct. They then respond to that sentence/paragraph only and say things like "it is simply not true" or "this is just a lie" What happens in this instance?

Again, this isn't a one-off or even sporadic behaviour, it is with 95% of their posts. It derails the conversation, makes posters look uninformed, and flames the original poster for making them look untruthful.

What happens in that instance?
 
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All Mod Cons said:
And that is completely fine. If I may, let me ask you a question.

What happens, when a poster continually and purposefully misrepresents people's posts by only selecting a single sentence or paragraph from a post?

Let's say, and if I may please emphasize the word continually, responds to posts that are well thought out and relevant to the conversation and decides to remove all context providing reasoning?

Let's say they just pick out a single sentence or paragraph, and then, in isolation, that post doesn't now look correct. They then respond to that sentence/paragraph only and say things like "it is simply not true" or "this is just a lie" What happens in this instance?

Again, this isn't a one-off or even sporadic behaviour, it is with 95% of their posts. It derails the conversation, makes posters look uninformed, and flames the original poster for making them look untruthful.

What happens in that instance?
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You debate the post and talk hockey, not the poster and attack them just because you think it's out of touch with whatever you feel how hockey should be debated and talked about. If you deem the conversation trolling or flaming, report it instead of attacking the person. If a poster bothers you THAT much, then use the ignore function and be free. It's really that simple.

Move on from it one way or another. We're all adults. If you have issues with how things are being moderated and handled, you're welcome to reach out to admins with the link at the bottom of the website entitled "Contact us".

Get back on topic please or we'll be forced to remove people from being able to derail the thread further. Thanks!
 
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Ok well anyway

I left out last years trade deadline cause the one is no longer here but

28 of the 36 players dubas TRADED for were out of the organization within a year..

This was referencing a post regarding draft picks traded. For picks i believe he was 19 out 18 in.. quality less brought in
 
andora said:
Ok well anyway

I left out last years trade deadline cause the one is no longer here but

28 of the 36 players dubas TRADED for were out of the organization within a year..

This was referencing a post regarding draft picks traded. For picks i believe he was 19 out 18 in.. quality less brought in
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a) The numbers aren't accurate.
b) How does this compare to other organizations who load up every year?
 
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andora said:
There might be a mistake in the numbers.. who did i miss

I can look at other gm when i am at the computer later working.. any gm in mind?
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Well... it's hard to see who you missed, if I can't see the list... didn't it get deleted? Plus, do we include players that are AHL acquisitions, or that were LTIR acquisitions, or just players, acquired, who the Leafs planned on using?

All teams have turnover, in particular UFA's acquired at the deadline. Plus, it's the nature of the beast that players price themselves out of a team after they perform well.

Looking at data, the average roster turnover, over a 5 year period is 80%. We had the 12th highest turnover, in the period 2017-2022, at 85%.. so slightly above average. Vegas at 80% NYR are at 90%. Ottawa 93%...

I mean making claims about how few players we have left, really doesn't take into context as to what is normal. Without context, it's a completely meaningless construct. In the end, it doesn't matter how many players you've blown through, the only question is... did you win? Would it have been better, if we kept all the draft picks, prospects, and still didn't win going forward? Then there would be people saying... we never go all in... You can't have it both ways, either you try to win, and pay the price, or you don't.
 
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Fogelhund said:
Well... it's hard to see who you missed, if I can't see the list... didn't it get deleted? Plus, do we include players that are AHL acquisitions, or that were LTIR acquisitions, or just players, acquired, who the Leafs planned on using?

All teams have turnover, in particular UFA's acquired at the deadline. Plus, it's the nature of the beast that players price themselves out of a team after they perform well.

Looking at data, the average roster turnover, over a 5 year period is 80%. We had the 12th highest turnover, in the period 2017-2022, at 85%.. so slightly above average. Vegas at 80% NYR are at 90%. Ottawa 93%...

I mean making claims about how few players we have left, really doesn't take into context as to what is normal. Without context, it's a completely meaningless construct. In the end, it doesn't matter how many players you've blown through, the only question is... did you win? Would it have been better, if we kept all the draft picks, prospects, and still didn't win going forward? Then there would be people saying... we never go all in... You can't have it both ways, either you try to win, and pay the price, or you don't.
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hehe, is it accurate or not? - i am saying that in jest, i just chuckled that's all. that average roster turnover, that is adding extra context though isn't it? i was just saying 'traded for' - i will look at a few gms in a bit.
 
Sypher04 said:
Draisaitl is definitely not good defensively but I’m not sure it’s fair to lay their team wide defensive ineptitude at his feet
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I 100% agree - while I do think there's a trickle down effect of star players not committing to what's best for the team, I do think I've been too harsh on Draisaitl. Thank you for calling me out on it. He is an elite talent, no question, but I think he still has more to give in this league (which is no small feat given his incredible list of individual accomplishments) by rounding out his game. Now whether or not he actually does that, or does it in Edmonton, remains to be seen.
 
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andora said:
if it discusses other teams?
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You mean discussing other team's turnover and transactions in the context of themselves? Yes.
But to continue harping on about Dubas' time here as a Leaf and the transactions he made? No.
There's merit to the discussion, sure, but it's taking over this thread.
 
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uncleben said:
You mean discussing other team's turnover and transactions in the context of themselves? Yes.
But to continue harping on about Dubas' time here as a Leaf and the transactions he made? No.
There's merit to the discussion, sure, but it's taking over this thread.
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it's not a dubas scratchfest - i was over 50% liked him. i didn't like the lack of traded for players staying around

i was going to respond to @Fogelhund with what i find with a couple gms of other teams.
 
andora said:
it's not a dubas scratchfest - i was over 50% liked him. i didn't like the lack of traded for players staying around

i was going to respond to @Fogelhund with what i find with a couple gms of other teams.
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Go ahead and post what you've found
It's worth seeing what other assets were moved and who retained what around the league
 
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Menzinger said:


Going to become more common around the league.
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Not surprisingly, it seems to have had no impact in our beer league. I started wearing a neck guard immediately after the incident and have no issues in doing so. Of course, our league is full of old-timers, many of whom do not even wear half-visors (!!!). Someone actually lost an eye a few years ago after getting hit by a deflected shot (he did not wear facial protection) and it had very little impact on uptake on protective equipment.
 
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