Around the league part 2

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Herby

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Charlie McAvoy is the guy I’ve always compared him to. I still think the trade is ok for the Kings, it just sucks that he may end up being Blake’s best draft pick based on value, and he never played a game for the Kings.

Be careful with any of the praise though, you know who will be around here saying that people think Faber is a generational player.
 
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Nino Noderreiter

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Faber doesn't have the offensive abilities Doughty has nor the ability to control the flow and tempo of a game. Though, there are not many defensemen like that. Maybe Lidstrom? Makar?

Comparing Faber's playing style to Doughty isn't really an accurate comparable, but I do appreciation your 'fluid hips' fascination.
Lol fair. I think that I wasn't comparing it to that part of Doughty's game which is why I hedged but thanks for the response.
 
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Raccoon Jesus

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Yeah but Faber absolutely can develop an offensive game, and he's continually getting better in all areas.

It's the Sanderson thing to a degree.

Sometimes guys like that--I'm thinking Sanderson, mcDonagh, etc.--are excellent at advancing play and thus will pick up quite a few 5v5 points. They'll do not much on the PP because that's not their skillset--but they drive everything else since they have high end physical tools and brains, fluid skating and anticipation. people always refer to an 'untapped' offensive upside with those guys it seems, but taht's just not in their blood.

And much like the opposite of our convos about overdrafting 'defensive' dmen in the 2010s--those guys defended and were 'shutdown' dmen because they often had offensive bricks for brains. Think of how guys like Doughty become shutdown savants--they are best-in-the-world at reading plays offensively too, not just hammering guys because they're chasing. That's where Faber's brain is even if his hands aren't gonna go full Makar.
 

King'sPawn

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It's the Sanderson thing to a degree.

Sometimes guys like that--I'm thinking Sanderson, mcDonagh, etc.--are excellent at advancing play and thus will pick up quite a few 5v5 points. They'll do not much on the PP because that's not their skillset--but they drive everything else since they have high end physical tools and brains, fluid skating and anticipation. people always refer to an 'untapped' offensive upside with those guys it seems, but taht's just not in their blood.

And much like the opposite of our convos about overdrafting 'defensive' dmen in the 2010s--those guys defended and were 'shutdown' dmen because they often had offensive bricks for brains. Think of how guys like Doughty become shutdown savants--they are best-in-the-world at reading plays offensively too, not just hammering guys because they're chasing. That's where Faber's brain is even if his hands aren't gonna go full Makar.
I think McDonaugh is probably the best comparison for Faber.
 

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I think McDonaugh is probably the best comparison for Faber.

I tend to agree.

I just remember a lot of conversations where even some Sharks fans were pumping Vlasic for the Norris because he was doing excellent and scoring well 5v5--but then saying the only difference was Drew was getting PP time and we were like okay, lol, put Vlasic on the PP then...some guys just don't do that.

I say it fondly because you spend most of the game 5v5 so if your 'shutdown' elite dman is actually racking up points as well then things are going well. I imagine a season where Mikey gets 35-40 points would have us at the top of the NHL, for example.
 

lumbergh

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Yeah but Faber absolutely can develop an offensive game, and he's continually getting better in all areas.
Can he though? What gives you the impression? Do you think Mikey Anderson will get to 40 points in a season? Because in two seasons, Mikey Anderson scored 11 goals with 50 points at the collegiate level, while in three seasons, Brock Faber put up a grand total of 7 goals and 53 points. Brock Faber has not scored in any real volume at any level, and I don't anticipate he will at the NHL level.

Good skater who can eat minutes in a defensive role. The lack of offensive vision, deception, or one-on-one moves means he's gonna retrieve pucks, play stout defense, and make a good first pass. That's going to limit him, in my opinion, to a middle pairing defensive defenseman.
 

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Can he though? What gives you the impression? Do you think Mikey Anderson will get to 40 points in a season? Because in two seasons, Mikey Anderson scored 11 goals with 50 points at the collegiate level, while in three seasons, Brock Faber put up a grand total of 7 goals and 53 points. Brock Faber has not scored in any real volume at any level, and I don't anticipate he will at the NHL level.

Good skater who can eat minutes in a defensive role. The lack of offensive vision, deception, or one-on-one moves means he's gonna retrieve pucks, play stout defense, and make a good first pass. That's going to limit him, in my opinion, to a middle pairing defensive defenseman.
How often have you seen him play though?

He has MUCH better puck skills than Anderson. Faber is a smoother operator than Anderson, who is rough at every skilled edge. Faber is not an offensive player for certain, but frankly that is just a lousy comparison.
 

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Seattle and Edmonton
got it - so try to get EDM to win div, and Seattle to get 3rd? like either one of those is of benefit

Seattle and Colorado … I don’t want to see Edmonton win.. ever and Quick isn’t playing so Kraken. (I’m sure both Oilers and Knights will win now)
I get your reasoning.. its a tough one to figure
 
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Master Yoda

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I dunno, a 20 year-old mobile, defensive defenseman who has already played in the Olympics and slotted into the second pairing right away seems pretty helpful, and pretty special.

Yesterday could have been:
Anderson-Doughty
Gavrikov - Roy
Faber equivalent - Clarke/Spence

Seems like a pretty good defensive corps for a 3-year cup window.
You just know the bottom pairing would still be Walker/Durzi
 
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Jets player leveled and tons of fights.

Can’t imagine how the current Kings team would handle a game like this with Kempe and Durzi as the new enforcers. Lol.
 

Herby

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I dunno, a 20 year-old mobile, defensive defenseman who has already played in the Olympics and slotted into the second pairing right away seems pretty helpful, and pretty special.

Yesterday could have been:
Anderson-Doughty
Gavrikov - Roy
Faber equivalent - Clarke/Spence

Seems like a pretty good defensive corps for a 3-year cup window.

But you lose a point-per-game winger, with no one in the system capable of doing what he does offensively. A prospect as good as Faber is rarely traded, but neither are 26 year old point per game guys.

Had the Kings been actually getting production from top picks you take the 20 year old d-man on the cheap for 3 seasons and the #1 pick. But they had to look outside the organization for scoring due to not evaluating well enough to draft the elite talents they could have, and butchering the development of the guys they did take. If you have one of Stutzle, Boldy, Zegras, Caufield, Raymond, Cozens there is no need for Fiala.
 
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King'sPawn

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But you lose a point-per-game winger, with no one in the system capable of doing what he does offensively. A prospect as good as Faber is rarely traded, but neither are 26 year old point per game guys.

Had the Kings been actually getting production from top picks you take the 20 year old d-man on the cheap for 3 seasons and the #1 pick. But they had to look outside the organization for scoring due to not evaluating well enough to draft the elite talents they could have, and butchering the development of the guys they did take. If you have Stutzle, Boldy, Zegras, Caufield, Raymond there is no need for Fiala.
I get that Fiala's a talented player, but if there's only one person on the team who can do what he does, maybe we shouldn't construct team philosophy and style around that person? And if offense isn't the strength of your team, why not focus on your strengths, like defense?

I get your point, but it's like we've gone so long without a 20 year-old playing a big role in the org that we forget how valuable that is.
 

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Basically only chance of avoiding EDM is Sea must beat VGK followed by 1 of (Edm beats Snarks OR Kings lose to Schmucks).... In other news, the hockey gods took care of Cogliano - he caught a rut and slammed into the boards awkwardly.. went down the tunnel not sure if he came back... didnt watch after that.
 

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Basically only chance of avoiding EDM is Sea must beat VGK followed by 1 of (Edm beats Snarks OR Kings lose to Schmucks).... In other news, the hockey gods took care of Cogliano - he caught a rut and slammed into the boards awkwardly.. went down the tunnel not sure if he came back... didnt watch after that.

Looks like it’s a rematch of last year.

Glad we got embarrassed down the stretch. Should come out fired up either way
 
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bland

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But you lose a point-per-game winger, with no one in the system capable of doing what he does offensively. A prospect as good as Faber is rarely traded, but neither are 26 year old point per game guys.

Had the Kings been actually getting production from top picks you take the 20 year old d-man on the cheap for 3 seasons and the #1 pick. But they had to look outside the organization for scoring due to not evaluating well enough to draft the elite talents they could have, and butchering the development of the guys they did take. If you have one of Stutzle, Boldy, Zegras, Caufield, Raymond, Cozens there is no need for Fiala.
They didn't need to screw up the path they were already on in the first place. This team ain't winning shit. Its a pointless exercise in Management by Hope.

There was no need to bring Fiala in. Story goes that this fell into Blake's lap, not like it was a plan. All these kids seeing their development screwed with so they can play bit parts in the last chapter in someone elses story. Its such a waste.

There is damn near $23 million in offensive wingers on this roster who aren't or can't be played with the #1 center.

They dressed 5 RHDs the other night. None named Clarke. Or Faber.

They lost a $5 million goalie into his own head, traded a legend, found a story we will remember forever and promptly traded a first round pick for a guy to platoon with going into the playoffs. Another platoon after they just refused to learn their lesson.

The only recent first round center pick of, well, too many, that is actually playing center is the one guy who would most benefit from changing to wing.

Sean Durzi.

What the hell is the plan here and and how much more peculiar decision making is it going to take before somebody is held responsible? Just challenging for the playoffs can't be the level here when you have had so, so many top picks.
 
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