Around the league part 2

[Byfield]

Kings need only 1pt against Anaheim or a Seattle loss.

For what? To clinch 3rd?

 

[AbsentMojo]

They didn't need to screw up the path they were already on in the first place. This team ain't winning shit. Its a pointless exercise in Management by Hope.

There was no need to bring Fiala in. Story goes that this fell into Blake's lap, not like it was a plan. All these kids seeing their development screwed with so they can play bit parts in the last chapter in someone elses story. Its such a waste.

There is damn near $23 million in offensive wingers on this roster who aren't or can't be played with the #1 center.

They dressed 5 RHDs the other night. None named Clarke. Or Faber.

They lost a $5 million goalie into his own head, traded a legend, found a story we will remember forever and promptly traded a first round pick for a guy to platoon with going into the playoffs. Another platoon after they just refused to learn their lesson.

The only recent first round center pick of, well, too many, that is actually playing center is the one guy who would most benefit from changing to wing.

Sean Durzi.

What the hell is the plan here and and how much more peculiar decision making is it going to take before somebody is held responsible? Just challenging for the playoffs can't be the level here when you have had so, so many top picks.

Riddle: what meal did the Blake's serve for Easter?



Ans: Ham and string

 

[kingsfan28]

They didn't need to screw up the path they were already on in the first place. This team ain't winning shit. Its a pointless exercise in Management by Hope.

There was no need to bring Fiala in. Story goes that this fell into Blake's lap, not like it was a plan. All these kids seeing their development screwed with so they can play bit parts in the last chapter in someone elses story. Its such a waste.

There is damn near $23 million in offensive wingers on this roster who aren't or can't be played with the #1 center.

They dressed 5 RHDs the other night. None named Clarke. Or Faber.

They lost a $5 million goalie into his own head, traded a legend, found a story we will remember forever and promptly traded a first round pick for a guy to platoon with going into the playoffs. Another platoon after they just refused to learn their lesson.

The only recent first round center pick of, well, too many, that is actually playing center is the one guy who would most benefit from changing to wing.

Sean Durzi.

What the hell is the plan here and and how much more peculiar decision making is it going to take before somebody is held responsible? Just challenging for the playoffs can't be the level here when you have had so, so many top picks.

Well aren't you just full of sunshine!

 

[kingsholygrail]

For what? To clinch 3rd?

Yes.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

They didn't need to screw up the path they were already on in the first place. This team ain't winning shit. Its a pointless exercise in Management by Hope.

There was no need to bring Fiala in. Story goes that this fell into Blake's lap, not like it was a plan. All these kids seeing their development screwed with so they can play bit parts in the last chapter in someone elses story. Its such a waste.

There is damn near $23 million in offensive wingers on this roster who aren't or can't be played with the #1 center.

They dressed 5 RHDs the other night. None named Clarke. Or Faber.

They lost a $5 million goalie into his own head, traded a legend, found a story we will remember forever and promptly traded a first round pick for a guy to platoon with going into the playoffs. Another platoon after they just refused to learn their lesson.

The only recent first round center pick of, well, too many, that is actually playing center is the one guy who would most benefit from changing to wing.

Sean Durzi.

What the hell is the plan here and and how much more peculiar decision making is it going to take before somebody is held responsible? Just challenging for the playoffs can't be the level here when you have had so, so many top picks.

Blake. Has. No. Plan.

It's time everyone started saying it with me. Blake had a plan back in 2017, and that was re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. Well, the ship still sank, and here we are.

Everything Blake has done - every prospect deployed, every draft, every free agent - is to serve one goal and one goal only: win one more Stanley Cup with Anze Kopitar and Drew Doughty. That's it.

Blake has made some good moves in a vacuum. He's competent in the sense that he doesn't get fleeced in trades, and he's pretty good at drafting mid and late round talent. But he is clearly not the GM this franchise needs to build a new contending core from the ground up.

 

[YP44]

Blake. Has. No. Plan.

It's time everyone started saying it with me. Blake had a plan back in 2017, and that was re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. Well, the ship still sank, and here we are.

Everything Blake has done - every prospect deployed, every draft, every free agent - is to serve one goal and one goal only: win one more Stanley Cup with Anze Kopitar and Drew Doughty. That's it.

Blake has made some good moves in a vacuum. He's competent in the sense that he doesn't get fleeced in trades, and he's pretty good at drafting mid and late round talent. But he is clearly not the GM this franchise needs to build a new contending core from the ground up.

I mean that is his plan than right?

 

[BigKing]

Going to be pretty rough if Blake trades two first round picks and Faber since Game 7 of last year only to finish in 3rd place once again and get bounced in the first round by the same f***ing team.

 

[kingsfan28]

Blake. Has. No. Plan.

It's time everyone started saying it with me. Blake had a plan back in 2017, and that was re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. Well, the ship still sank, and here we are.

Everything Blake has done - every prospect deployed, every draft, every free agent - is to serve one goal and one goal only: win one more Stanley Cup with Anze Kopitar and Drew Doughty. That's it.

Blake has made some good moves in a vacuum. He's competent in the sense that he doesn't get fleeced in trades, and he's pretty good at drafting mid and late round talent. But he is clearly not the GM this franchise needs to build a new contending core from the ground up.

And what's wrong with that? The idea that every prospect deployed is just to serve those two's purpose is laughable at best. Last time I checked it was a team sport. Anze and Drew still have plenty to give and still center this team, a team and ownership that wants to win while those two can.

 

[bouncesonly]

Not sure how people can bitch about wanting to win one more time with Kopi and Drew (who are still performing well) while arguing that trading those two tricenarian would have been better for the franchise.....but then get butthurt when Quick is traded. Which is it?

 

[KINGS17]

And what's wrong with that? The idea that every prospect deployed is just to serve those two's purpose is laughable at best. Last time I checked it was a team sport. Anze and Drew still have plenty to give and still center this team, a team and ownership that wants to win while those two can.

Win what though? Blake and Robitaille don't seem to have any skill when it comes to critical self evaluation.

Can't wait to hear Robitaille after the playoff "run". "Even though we lost in Round 1, this team improved to get over 100 points during the regular season."

The best way Kopitar and Doughty could have helped the Kings was to be served up on a platter to teams that are actually in contention. Teams like those are desperately trying to put the finishing touches on a roster to produce a Stanley Cup champion, and you often get one of their top two or three prospects in a deal.

Someday Kopitar and Doughty will be gone. They will not have won a third cup, and it will get very ugly for the Kings.

Not sure how people can bitch about wanting to win one more time with Kopi and Drew (who are still performing well) while arguing that trading those two tricenarian would have been better for the franchise.....but then get butthurt when Quick is traded. Which is it?

I have zero problem with Quick being traded. The way Blake went about it might not have been the best, but it isn't something I would worry about.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Not sure how people can bitch about wanting to win one more time with Kopi and Drew (who are still performing well) while arguing that trading those two tricenarian would have been better for the franchise.....but then get butthurt when Quick is traded. Which is it?

These people don’t exist. You’re tilting at windmills, Quixote.

Some people, including myself, didn’t like the Quick trade because we gave up a first round pick for two rentals to fix two problems Blake himself failed to address.

The trading Kopitar/Doughty debate has been discussed to death. None of us know if or when these players could have been realistically traded. However, hypothetically, the franchise *could* have dramatically accelerated a real rebuild by trading one or both of them at some point between 2016-2019.

 

[bland]

And what's wrong with that? The idea that every prospect deployed is just to serve those two's purpose is laughable at best. Last time I checked it was a team sport. Anze and Drew still have plenty to give and still center this team, a team and ownership that wants to win while those two can.

You aren't paying close enough attention.

Byfield and Vilardi have been shifted to wing because they weren't going to be ready enough up the middle to challenge for a playoff spot NOW.

Kaliyev won't be placed on a scoring unit yet because the rest of his game hasn't been fleshed out to challenge NOW.

Kupari has been told that in order to play on this team NOW he has to shift his focus to defense because they don't have room for him anywhere else.

Danault, Arvidsson, Fiala, Edler, Gavrikov and Korpisalo all brought in to challenge NOW while kids drafted to fill those spots are being held back or having their strengths mitigated because they aren't ready NOW - at the cost of multiple top picks and prospects.

Bjornfot is ready. Spence is ready. Where are they?

Kopitar and Doughty have been the top players on a team that has won just 4 playoff games in 8 years. They aren't going to challenge again. They aren't building blocks anymore, they are roadblocks to progress. Why in the world is mediocrity the goal here?

Mikey Anderson is the only prospect that this management group has developed to play and excel in the position he is best suited at. Everybody else has been adversely affected by the pursuit of something they do not have the ability to catch.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I mean that is his plan than right?

If a dog chasing after cars also technically has a plan, then yes.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Blake has now spent two 1sts to patch up holes of his own creation.

One along with a very good RHD because he failed to address scoring AND defenseman balance with his millions of draft picks, patience, and assets;

One along with a franchise legend because he failed to address goaltending and defenseman balance with his millions of draft picks, patience, and assets

by two weeks from now, all we could have to show for those is Kevin Fiala, a 5 million dollar AHL goalie, and a 1st round exit while watching Quick gone, Korpi walk, Gavrikov walk, and still have G and LHD holes. THis could be a borderline disaster for a team not ready to come into its own and whose best players are fading.

Most teams couging up multiple first are in window-open mode, not patch the titanic mode.

 

[YP44]

If a dog chasing after cars also technically has a plan, then yes.

I may not understand it, and may not agree with it. But yes that is a plan

 

[kingsfan28]

You aren't paying close enough attention.

Byfield and Vilardi have been shifted to wing because they weren't going to be ready enough up the middle to challenge for a playoff spot NOW.

Kaliyev won't be placed on a scoring unit yet because the rest of his game hasn't been fleshed out to challenge NOW.

Kupari has been told that in order to play on this team NOW he has to shift his focus to defense because they don't have room for him anywhere else.

Danault, Arvidsson, Fiala, Edler, Gavrikov and Korpisalo all brought in to challenge NOW while kids drafted to fill those spots are being held back or having their strengths mitigated because they aren't ready NOW - at the cost of multiple top picks and prospects.

Bjornfot is ready. Spence is ready. Where are they?

Kopitar and Doughty have been the top players on a team that has won just 4 playoff games in 8 years. They aren't going to challenge again. They aren't building blocks anymore, they are roadblocks to progress. Why in the world is mediocrity the goal here?

Mikey Anderson is the only prospect that this management group has developed to play and excel in the position he is best suited at. Everybody else has been adversely affected by the pursuit of something they do not have the ability to catch.

The thing is not one of the prospect you mentioned were good enough to take those spots at the time nor now. Valardi took a while to get going and aside from MA, the best of the lot. Had Kaliyev shown a whiff of smarts, he'd be on the top two lines or cemented as 3lw/rw. He has no idea what he's doing most night, yet everyone wants to promote him.

 

[YP44]

Blake has now spent two 1sts to patch up holes of his own creation.

One along with a very good RHD because he failed to address scoring AND defenseman balance with his millions of draft picks, patience, and assets;

One along with a franchise legend because he failed to address goaltending and defenseman balance with his millions of draft picks, patience, and assets

by two weeks from now, all we could have to show for those is Kevin Fiala, a 5 million dollar AHL goalie, and a 1st round exit while watching Quick gone, Korpi walk, Gavrikov walk, and still have G and LHD holes. THis could be a borderline disaster for a team not ready to come into its own and whose best players are fading.

Most teams couging up multiple first are in window-open mode, not patch the titanic mode.

I did not understand the Fiala deal as I thought the assets spent should have been used on a LHD. That said, when healthy, Fiala has been unreal. He is definitely worth more than a first and is on a bargain contract. Even though RHD is stacked I did not like losing Faber. However i think it was a stretch that he was going to sign in LA and better to get something for him than lose for nothing.

The Quick deal I give an incomplete grade as it depends if one or both of Gavrikov and Korpisalo re-sign or walk. I honestly would have rather given away Copley over Quick. Korpisalo would be the #1, would have more cap space next year to sign, and Quick remains a king. I think I am in the minority here though as Copley has performed, i just don't trust him.

Big thing will be re-signing

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I may not understand

I think your post was perfect right up to this point.

 

[All The Kings Men]

However i think it was a stretch that he was going to sign in LA

I know it will never go away but the fact that we now have fairly reliable evidence that this isn't the case is going to drive me crazy every time it's reintroduced into the discourse.

 

[kingsfan28]

Blake has now spent two 1sts to patch up holes of his own creation.

One along with a very good RHD because he failed to address scoring AND defenseman balance with his millions of draft picks, patience, and assets;

One along with a franchise legend because he failed to address goaltending and defenseman balance with his millions of draft picks, patience, and assets

by two weeks from now, all we could have to show for those is Kevin Fiala, a 5 million dollar AHL goalie, and a 1st round exit while watching Quick gone, Korpi walk, Gavrikov walk, and still have G and LHD holes. THis could be a borderline disaster for a team not ready to come into its own and whose best players are fading.

Most teams couging up multiple first are in window-open mode, not patch the titanic mode.

Yes we traded a potential good RHD , which if memory serves , we seem to have an abundance of, for a dynamic scorer that not one single guy in the draft at our position could produce in the next 5 years. If Faber stays , guess what, now we have another RHD that there's no room for. Clarke ,Faber, Spence ,Durzi,Roy, Walker and on and on. 3 spots for 6 guys, 3 of them rookies. AS for LHD , do you pass on Clarke to draft the BPA LHD who is currently rated 31 on most list just to a fill a need?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yes we traded a potential good RHD , which if memory serves , we seem to have an abundance of, for a dynamic scorer that not one single guy in the draft at our position could produce in the next 5 years. If Faber stays , guess what, now we have another RHD that there's no room for. Clarke ,Faber, Spence ,Durzi,Roy, Walker and on and on. 3 spots for 6 guys, 3 of them rookies. AS for LHD , do you pass on Clarke to draft the BPA LHD who is currently rated 31 on most list just to a fill a need?

Don't get me wrong, I love the Fiala deal, adn i'm 50-50 on the more recent one depending on how it shakes out.

I just think those are clear indications of what went wrong.

Does Blake trade for Fiala if he has instead picked, say, Stutzle and Zegras or Boldy? (again, huge on Byfield--but those guys fit the 'win now' MO more). Probalby not, we're then using those picks and Faber to upgrade G or D.

Does Blake trade for Gavrikov and Korpi if at friggin anytime in the last three years he turns one of those assets into an LHD instead of so many RHDs we can't find spots for them?

The point is, though--look at the teams that have traded multiple firsts in the last year and coming years. It's everyone who has been contending for several years, not those who are banking on hope, which is largely becoming a huge part of the 'strategy' and that's some worrying.

 

[Lt Dan]

. However i think it was a stretch that he was going to sign in LA

That has now been disproven

He was interviewed recently and he said that he would have signed in LA after this season. Twas actually posted in this thread by my man @kings11

Speculation: - LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season Part 2

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[BigKing]

The thing is not one of the prospect you mentioned were good enough to take those spots at the time nor now. Valardi took a while to get going and aside from MA, the best of the lot. Had Kaliyev shown a whiff of smarts, he'd be on the top two lines or cemented as 3lw/rw. He has no idea what he's doing most night, yet everyone wants to promote him.

The point is that they were good enough then and are good enough now to take those spots if you care more about developing them v. winning at present.

That's the whole debate.

 

[King'sPawn]

That has now been disproven

He was interviewed recently and he said that he would have signed in LA after this season. Twas actually posted in this thread by my man @kings11

Speculation: - LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season Part 2

This might be the weirdest take you have ever had. Now teams overwhelmingly making decisions on players is about, me??? Why do teams want players in college? I don't know because two years in college has traditionally been the best way to maximize the potential of drafted players. I've asked...

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Too bad the narrative will continue.

 

[SmytheKing]

Yes we traded a potential good RHD , which if memory serves , we seem to have an abundance of, for a dynamic scorer that not one single guy in the draft at our position could produce in the next 5 years. If Faber stays , guess what, now we have another RHD that there's no room for. Clarke ,Faber, Spence ,Durzi,Roy, Walker and on and on. 3 spots for 6 guys, 3 of them rookies. AS for LHD , do you pass on Clarke to draft the BPA LHD who is currently rated 31 on most list just to a fill a need?

No. You draft Wallstedt instead of Clarke if that's you think you have RHD covered for the next decade. Or, you trade one of the millions of RHD you have for a LHD. It's not a zero sum game where your only option was to pass on Clarke to pick a guy that should be taken in the 2nd round.