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kingsfan28 said:
One game and you're already taking a victory lap? :laugh:

Whats Clague doing now? Since leaving the Kings he's tore it up...58 games with 2 teams, 9 point and a -11. YEEEEEHAW!

TB will be Clague version 2.0. He also have to be waived again when their two dmen on IR return, including Theodore.
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The difference is some GMs can turn their shitty prospects into decent trades (see New York and Lias Andersson) then we have some GMs that draft shitty prospects that end up on waivers.

Nobody argues that Bjornfot is this amazing player, people are arguing that our administrators are terrible at management.
 
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kingsfan28 said:
One game and you're already taking a victory lap? :laugh:

Whats Clague doing now? Since leaving the Kings he's tore it up...58 games with 2 teams, 9 point and a -11. YEEEEEHAW!

TB will be Clague version 2.0. He also have to be waived again when their two dmen on IR return, including Theodore.
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grow up.
stop baiting people.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
I just refuse to engage with anyone handing out Blake copium at this point is all.

Bjornfot should be something, could end up being nothing, and it wouldn't change anything--he's the latest in a loooooooooooong line of former Kings helping teams ahead of the Kings be successful.

If your take is well bjornfot won't be anything then you have the memory of an onion and i envy you, but as I've said from the start, it's emblematic of dog shit development/deployment and asset management. It's not about Toby himself but about him being the latest in a long line as a first rounder running into waiver eligibility before being given a real opportunity to establish himself and subsequently removed for nothing/next to nothing as a depreciated asset. End story. I don't need a lecture explaining the finer points because the endgame's the same.
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LMAO equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears because you don't like the counter argument.....true colors shining through
 
AbsentMojo said:
Looks like Gauthier took a flyer on being a Flyer.

Kid seems like a head case - cant get his story straight. Will fit well with Zegras.

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That podcast was from April 2023 and the prevailing theory is that something happened around then that soured the relationship. Elliotte Friedman had a source theorizing that it was the Flyers not wanting to sign Gauthier last spring due to cap ramifications. But it seemed like they were open to signing him for this season. Rough timeline:

March 11 - Gauthier's season ends at BC. Flyers had 17 games remaining on the schedule. Gauthier would have needed to dress in 10 games to burn that first year.

May 4 - Gauthier named to Team USA World Championship squad. At some point during the tournament, he indicated to the Flyers that he would not be signing.
 
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That podcast was from April 2023 and the prevailing theory is that something happened around then that soured the relationship. Elliotte Friedman had a source theorizing that it was the Flyers not wanting to sign Gauthier last spring due to cap ramifications. But it seemed like they were open to signing him for this season. Rough timeline:

March 11 - Gauthier's season ends at BC. Flyers had 17 games remaining on the schedule. Gauthier would have needed to dress in 10 games to burn that first year.

May 4 - Gauthier named to Team USA World Championship squad. At some point during the tournament, he indicated to the Flyers that he would not be signing.
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Thats very interesting context. Im sure we'll get more info as time goes by - but the smell is a little off on the kid.
 
AbsentMojo said:
Thats very interesting context. Im sure we'll get more info as time goes by - but the smell is a little off on the kid.
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The situation is definitely a bit odd. I'm reading up on how the Schedule A/B bonuses work and it seems like Gauthier wouldn't have had enough runway to trigger anything significant if he had signed last spring.
 
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I refuse to believe Blake. Couldn’t have got a 2nd for Bjornfoot given his draft pedigree and that everyone needs D. Would have been nice to at least get something seeing as we don’t have a ton of picks this draft as well. Terrible asset management!
 
Johnny Utah said:
I would rather be a Flyer than a Duck.
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Me too, but no denying Anaheim would be an easier market to play in

SaltyElkHunter said:
I refuse to believe Blake. Couldn’t have got a 2nd for Bjornfoot given his draft pedigree and that everyone needs D. Would have been nice to at least get something seeing as we don’t have a ton of picks this draft as well. Terrible asset management!
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I was shocked that he fell all the way to Vegas for waivers. Given that, i actually doubt he could get much. Which is equally shocking to me.
 
YP44 said:
Me too, but no denying Anaheim would be an easier market to play in


I was shocked that he fell all the way to Vegas for waivers. Given that, i actually doubt he could get much. Which is equally shocking to me.
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He’s a former 1st rounder that doesn’t handle the puck like a grenade he was worth something lol
 
Just playing devils advocate. Maybe they did try and move him and no one wanted him. A couple months later he went through the whole waiver wire, and the only team that took him was one that had suffered numerous injuries to their defense core.


I know people will say it goes back to us ruining a prospect. Sometimes it’s the drafting, sometimes it’s the developing and sometimes it’s just the player. I am still not sure where I’m at on Bjornfot and I think we might even get him back.
 
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funky said:
Just playing devils advocate. Maybe they did try and move him and no one wanted him. A couple months later he went through the whole waiver wire, and the only team that took him was one that had suffered numerous injuries to their defense core.


I know people will say it goes back to us ruining a prospect. Sometimes it’s the drafting, sometimes it’s the developing and sometimes it’s just the player. I am still not sure where I’m at on Bjornfot and I think we might even get him back.
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The way I see it is, if it's one of them, it's the player.

When it's literally almost all of them over the course of 7-8 years, it's the organization.

i don't feel like that theory should be all that controversial, but here we are. "but you were wrong about CLAGUE" isn't the flex it wants to be.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
The way I see it is, if it's one of them, it's the player.

When it's literally almost all of them over the course of 7-8 years, it's the organization.

i don't feel like that theory should be all that controversial, but here we are. "but you were wrong about CLAGUE" isn't the flex it wants to be.
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Not sure where the Clague thing came from as I never mentioned him and I never liked the pick. I hate small defenseman, unless they are as talented as a Paul Coffey or Makar type. Even saying that he was a second round pick and the averages of a second round pick playing in the NHL are under 25% and I think under 12% for third rounders. Doug Mclean talked about this a while back saying that under 15% of second rounders make an NHL impact so I can’t even get mad at the Clague.

If we wanna talk about a pic like Hughes, who was a second round pick a couple years ago I can be mad about that, not because I don’t expect him to make it, but because we picked the same type of player that we seem to have a plethora of.

Just out of curiosity, who are the pics that you’re mad that we lost to waivers?
 
funky said:
Not sure where the Clague thing came from as I never mentioned him and I never liked the pick. I hate small defenseman, unless they are as talented as a Paul Coffey or Makar type. Even saying that he was a second round pick and the averages of a second round pick playing in the NHL are under 25% and I think under 12% for third rounders. Doug Mclean talked about this a while back saying that under 15% of second rounders make an NHL impact so I can’t even get mad at the Clague.

If we wanna talk about a pic like Hughes, who was a second round pick a couple years ago I can be mad about that, not because I don’t expect him to make it, but because we picked the same type of player that we seem to have a plethora of.

Just out of curiosity, who are the pics that you’re mad that we lost to waivers?
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Sorry that wasn't at you, it was at the start of the conversation.

My point was simply the ongoing wasting of assets, of which Bjornfot is just one example.

The problem is people ask those questions over and over separately instead of comprehensively--well who have we lost to waivers? well, who did we even trade? etc--which, when you look at the big picture, the point is we keep depreciating assets, getting pennies on the dollar for them, and then watch them go on to do bigger things on teams that are at least competitive if not stronger than we are. In short, Rob Blake is creating a killer farm team for true contenders.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
The way I see it is, if it's one of them, it's the player.

When it's literally almost all of them over the course of 7-8 years, it's the organization.

i don't feel like that theory should be all that controversial, but here we are. "but you were wrong about CLAGUE" isn't the flex it wants to be.
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However I think it was Yannetti that said they were offered a first the summer before they lost him to waivers. If that is true I 100% agree that is brutal asset management
 
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AbsentMojo said:
Yes and come to think of it, Jack Johnson speaking of Carolina
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I think Wheeler too. THere was another D-man Calgary pick that refused to sign unless it was with the Rangers as well. Lots of college guys have done it. Usually not a top pick like Cutter though
 
funky said:
Just playing devils advocate. Maybe they did try and move him and no one wanted him. A couple months later he went through the whole waiver wire, and the only team that took him was one that had suffered numerous injuries to their defense core.


I know people will say it goes back to us ruining a prospect. Sometimes it’s the drafting, sometimes it’s the developing and sometimes it’s just the player. I am still not sure where I’m at on Bjornfot and I think we might even get him back.
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I feel for Bjornfot. LA brought in the likes of Edler and Stetcher while Bjornfot had waivers. So they put Bjornfot down cause they could, to get a marginal boost on the back end (if there was one at all). Probably really screwd with his confidence.

Bjornfot was not a top two guy, but i really think that he could still be a top 4 on a bad team and top 6 on a good.
 
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