AbsentMojo
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Gauthier joins a short list of guys that pulled an Elway in the NHL..isnt it just him and Lindros?
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I dunno, they lost to SJ, MIN, and STL......how real can they be? (...yes, that's sarcasm)
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kingsfan28
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One game and you're already taking a victory lap?
Whats Clague doing now? Since leaving the Kings he's tore it up...58 games with 2 teams, 9 point and a -11. YEEEEEHAW!
TB will be Clague version 2.0. He also have to be waived again when their two dmen on IR return, including Theodore.
King'sPawn
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Thank you. I missed that information.
Not a good look when you just outright refuse to play for an org so early in your career. It's not like he's 25 years old with 6 years experience in the league
kingsfan28
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I watched parts too, he was as average as they come. Did his job, but never noticed him except for that terrible boarding penalty. Lets make something clear, TB is nowhere near Scuds level.
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You mean the same Scuderi who didn't see NHL ice until he was 25 years old? Just making sure we're talking about the same players where one is "nowhere near" the other's level.
Scuderi was still playing at the college level when he was Bjornfot's age.
kingsfan28
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Scuds wasn't a 1st round pick expected to be a top 3 LD. He was a 5th round pick, who worked is ass off to make the Pens after years in the AHL, then kept getting better. At no point since TB draft can anyone say he's gotten better. His effort in camp and the preseason games showed nothing has changed. He could've won the 3LD out of camp, but didn't. That's on him , not Blake.
The roster was set before camp. Englund was bad in camp.
Turcotte was better than most of the forwards in camp and it meant nothing.
Bjornfot was better than Edler especially in his last year and it meant nothing. Walker post injury struggled as well.
After Bjornfots injury they pretty much gave up on him. He still hasnt looked as good since.
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He struggled in camp. I agree. Can't agree it was from lack of effort.
I suppose you're right though. Bjornfot isn't at Scuderi's level. Because at the same age, Scuderi was at the college level. Shame on a 22 year-old Bjornfot for not being as refined as a 25 year-old Scuderi, though, right?
Bjornfot's biggest issue is a lack of identity to his game where he can build on his strengths. He played more NHL games in 2021-22 than any other defenseman when the entire blueline was injured. You don't do that AND be on a playoff team by not trying.
False. McLellan said the roster was set even before preseason started.
Edit: just because some have short memories, remember that the only reason Laferriere played on opening night was due to Arvidsson's injury and Kaliyev's suspension. Even though he deserved to play at the NHL level, the spot wasn't "earned."
And the NHL broadcast for the Capitals game said that McLellan actually wanted Clarke on his team last year, because he thought Clarke could help the team win. Remind me what happened with him again?
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Ottawa drafted Bryan Berard with the #1 pick in 1995. The rookie salary cap had just been implemented and it became a contentious negotiation. Berard ended up going back to the OHL for another season. Ottawa eventually worked out a three way deal which boiled down to dealing Berard for Wade Redden who was taken #2.
Not sure if it's true or an urban legend, but the story goes that Mike Milbury hated Redden during his brief training camp as an 18 year old. Milbury got elevated to GM and was more than happy to trade him.
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Calgary drafted Tim Erixon with the 23rd pick in 2009 but he refused to sign. Erixon told them that he'd like to play for the Rangers (his dad had played for them). Calgary would have received the 54th pick in 2011 if they let Erixon go back into the draft.
But they'd eventually work out a trade with the Rangers for picks #45 and #57. This might have been more notable had Erixon panned out / Calgary had taken Nikita Kucherov at #57 (he'd go a pick later to Tampa). Calgary apparently thought highly of Kucherov but didn't do it.
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There are some other less heralded guys who forced trades. Adam Fox gave a cold shoulder to Calgary/Carolina. Zach Hyman didn't sign with Florida who traded his rights to Toronto.
One of my favorite obscure ones was a guy named Kyle Wanvig. 3rd round pick in 1999 by Boston but he had a big 2000-01 and was demanding 1st round money. Right before his rights were to expire, Boston agreed to trade him to Toronto. The Leafs and Wanvig's agent worked out a contract. Problem occurred when a jammed fax machine prevented the signed deal from being received by the league before the deadline.
Wanvig went back into the draft where he was taken 36th by Minnesota.
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And depending on how you look at it, the Gauthier situation has some similarities with Jack Johnson / Carolina. Things got sour in the months after the 2005 Draft. Johnson apparently was annoyed by Carolina pressuring him to turn pro when he wanted to play a couple years at Michigan.
Carolina offered Johnson to Pittsburgh for the 2nd overall pick in 2006; Carolina would have taken Jordan Staal. I'm still a little surprised that Pittsburgh turned it down and took Staal when they already had Crosby/Malkin. Although in the moment, I suppose they were unsure when they were getting Malkin.
A few months later, Carolina dealt Johnson to the Kings.
Rumor tonight has it that Philly offered Gauthier to Montreal for pick #5 at this past draft but the Canadiens declined.
Carolina offered Johnson to Pittsburgh for the 2nd overall pick in 2006; Carolina would have taken Jordan Staal. I'm still a little surprised that Pittsburgh turned it down and took Staal when they already had Crosby/Malkin. Although in the moment, I suppose they were unsure when they were getting Malkin.
A few months later, Carolina dealt Johnson to the Kings.
Rumor tonight has it that Philly offered Gauthier to Montreal for pick #5 at this past draft but the Canadiens declined.
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He and Turcotte were the best players in camp and preseason. Laf stood out in every game he played, and earned his chance at 1st call up. You could tell he put the work in.
Cant ever remember Todd saying he wanted Clarke to stay. A lot of us did, but who knows. You'll have to point me to the interview where he said the roster was set. All I remember was the 3LD was between those two guys.
Björnfot might turn out to be a Jeff Schultz-type player. A first rounder, shows some early promise but is never quite good enough to be important. Good enough to play on a bad team but not good enough to stick on a good one.
He still could turn out to be like Scuderi but it's looking like a long shot at this point. Obviously the way he was being "developed" was questionable.
He still could turn out to be like Scuderi but it's looking like a long shot at this point. Obviously the way he was being "developed" was questionable.
Jeff Schultz played first pair with Mike Green for years when the Caps were winning divisions and the presidents trophy. The big gripe was that he was big but not physical and that hurt during the playoffs. I agree TB could do that.
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We were right there
I just refuse to engage with anyone handing out Blake copium at this point is all.
Bjornfot should be something, could end up being nothing, and it wouldn't change anything--he's the latest in a loooooooooooong line of former Kings helping teams ahead of the Kings be successful.
If your take is well bjornfot won't be anything then you have the memory of an onion and i envy you, but as I've said from the start, it's emblematic of dog shit development/deployment and asset management. It's not about Toby himself but about him being the latest in a long line as a first rounder running into waiver eligibility before being given a real opportunity to establish himself and subsequently removed for nothing/next to nothing as a depreciated asset. End story. I don't need a lecture explaining the finer points because the endgame's the same.
Bjornfot should be something, could end up being nothing, and it wouldn't change anything--he's the latest in a loooooooooooong line of former Kings helping teams ahead of the Kings be successful.
If your take is well bjornfot won't be anything then you have the memory of an onion and i envy you, but as I've said from the start, it's emblematic of dog shit development/deployment and asset management. It's not about Toby himself but about him being the latest in a long line as a first rounder running into waiver eligibility before being given a real opportunity to establish himself and subsequently removed for nothing/next to nothing as a depreciated asset. End story. I don't need a lecture explaining the finer points because the endgame's the same.
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