He's 20th in PP ice time for defense over that span, so his rates are similar. Some go up a few spots, some go down a few spots.
He had the same G/60 over that span as Makar, which is good company.
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He had the same G/60 over that span as Makar, which is good company.
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He missed almost an entire season of injury. On a per-game basis, he was 8th in PPTOI/gm among all defenders.
So, as a whole, he's contributing a reasonable amount relative to powerplay time on ice per game.
Of course he's nowhere near players like Makar, Karlsson, etc, but there's a pretty significant dip from that level of offensive talent from the blueline anyway.
Hmm I show him as 10th in PP minutes per game, which is why his rankings don't change much.
Surprisingly, his numbers over those three years are way better than Karlsson. He was better than him in every single metric, except for rush chances, where Karlsson was #1 and Doughty was #2.
The only thing Makar was far better at is total points. Their goals/60 on the pp over that span is exactly the same. Doughty has higher rates in expected goals, higher danger chances, more scoring chances, and rush attempts. Makar is higher in total points, assists and rebounds created.
I don't think there is much of a gap at all, I think it's mostly perception.
What? You saying there is no difference between Doughty and Makar its only how the mind perceives it? Your eyes are lying the difference between them is just a mere figment of the entire worlds imagination? Didnt Doughty himself say Makar inspires him to evolve as a player and thats who hes chasing?
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20-21 was a shortened year
21-22 Doughty was injured
22-23 Kings had a very good PP, Doughty played the whole season.
So if you're looking at the last 3 years, 22-23 will be the most heavily weighted, and it happened to be a great year for the PP.
21-22 Doughty was injured
22-23 Kings had a very good PP, Doughty played the whole season.
So if you're looking at the last 3 years, 22-23 will be the most heavily weighted, and it happened to be a great year for the PP.
ScoreZeGoals
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Seems kinda ridiculous to have 3 games in hand on Vegas this early in the season
I didn't say that obviously. I stated their pp numbers were very close over a 3 season period prior to this one. Take from that what you will.
For sure, there are caveats in there. Was just illustrating that Doughty is far better on the PP than some give him credit for.
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And surprisingly comparing him to Karlsson there isn't what you would think it would be because historically Karlsson does most of his damage 5v5. That's what makes him so damn amazing. Relative to that, EK is actually NOT good on the PP, which is opposite of what you might think. He's not a PP merchant.
Edit: that being said Doughty is better than anyone ever gives him credit for, yes, even on the PP.
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That was an eye-opener for sure. EK had 74 ES points last year, the same as Kopitar in all situations. Dunn was next at 49 ES points, then 48, 46, 43, etc. It's just batshit insane. And his team totally sucked.
SettlementRichie10
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I am by no means an EK hater but it’s hard to ignore that almost all of his virtuoso offensive seasons came on awful teams who were out of the playoff hunt by Christmas.
His offense is nothing short of amazing. It's also hard to fathom how someone can be so bad defensively. It's like putting Fiala on the blueline.
SettlementRichie10
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That’s the weird thing about EK. He piles up all of these absurd offensive statistics and they don’t amount to anything.
If empty calories were a defenseman.
Raccoon Jesus
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When he plays 'real hockey,' his points drop off precipitously.
And on the other occasion in San Jose, he was outplayed by Burns when real hockey was on the table.
Same thing is currently happening in Pittsburgh. Points down, defense up. But at least he's not being outplayed clearly by Letang.
He may be the only guy in the league who can pile up so many points when unleashed as such, but SJ literally didn't play a meaningful game from November on, and it puts the rest of the team at such a disadvantage the rest of the time as well.
This generation with Hughes, Makar, and Fox do it far better and they don't require the team to be built specifically around them.
If he shows up this year and actually solidifies his legacy by winning a Cup playing real hockey I'll shut up. I always thought he'd age more like Lidstrom--back off the offense, use brain for defense--but thus far it hasn't happened. He's just a guy who can go nuclear on a team with no expectations until proven otherwise. Is it impressive that no one else can do it? In that sense, sure. But it's not like he does it when the team goes anywhere so yeah, empty calories. Absolutely elite but very specific skillset...meanwhile, Doughty, Keith, Chara, Hedman (to a lesser degree due to shutdown pairing behind him) were playing the hardest minutes on championship teams so it's more than a little annoying watching all their accomplishments get dismissed because one guy is running beer league.
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Canes cut Halak from PTO.
I would do it if Copley sucks tonight.
I would do it if Copley sucks tonight.
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That is more out of his control though. Just like Kopitar and Doughty really weren't to blame for mostly bad teams outside the the 2012-2014 glory years until now.
Peak Karlsson was probably the 2017 playoffs, not going to say he was the best player in the world, but it would be hard to say anyone at that point was playing better. That Ottawa team had no business making it to the ECF, they didn't have much beyond EK and came within 1 goal of going to the finals. They took Pittsburgh, the back 2 back cup champs to Game 7 OT.
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I like Jaro Halak. if the defense is just average he does really well. I am kind of surprised that he couldn't cut it on the Hurricanes.
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Offense is the most overrated aspect of the sport. You just need to score more than your opponent and there are a whole lot of ways to go about or mitigate that.
Excessive offense - the kind provided by Karlsson, McDavid, etc. actually does as much harm as good. It isn't a case of players being so good that they can't help but score - its offensively spectacular players going for pumped up numbers in situations better served by controlling the game.
That's my concern with him. If the Hurricanes can't help him, not sure what he'd do here.
Seemed like an insurance thing in case Antti Raanta got injured again and/or Pyotr Kochetkov struggled. Since Carolina is going without an AHL affiliate this season, their only other goalie under contract is rookie Yaniv Perets who's been in the ECHL.
Kochetkov is making 2 mil this season and they expected him to be the backup when they extended him twelve months ago. But he faltered in the second half of the season and they ended up bring back both Andersen/Raanta.
It might be a case where Halak wasn't a noticeable upgrade over Kochetkov and they're already paying for the latter whether or not he's playing in the NHL.
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