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YAYSAY said:
Boeser, Kuzmenko.
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Kuzmenko? The 27 year old that played for years in the KHL? Really?

And Boeser, the guy that no one wanted last year? Ok....

EDIT: That's like saying see, Calgary developed Sergei Makarov because he never played in the A....
 
i don't even get why he did that, that was just a normal board battle right before.. like yeah sometimes you get a stick into your skates there, shit happens

what kind of mental midget do you have to be to immediately default to that as your response?
 
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FrozenKing18 said:
Lol typical Kings pick. But I thought read somewhere on here that Connor wouldve been the target if we had the pick or something in that nature.
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Yeah , him or Barzal . Either would've been great. Just shows how difficult picking the right players can be. Boston had 3 straight firsts,16-18 and only 1 hit. They had three 2nds too, and whiffed 2 more times.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
Kuzmenko? The 27 year old that played for years in the KHL? Really?

And Boeser, the guy that no one wanted last year? Ok....

EDIT: That's like saying see, Calgary developed Sergei Makarov because he never played in the A....
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Boeser now has 12 goals, I don't see how no one wanting him last year is an argument. He's one of their best players right now and has no AHL time. And I recall kings having one of the highest scoring KHL players on their team last year and kept him in the AHL for most of the season
 
tigermask48 said:
Poor salary cap management? (How many times has Edmonton had to trade players away to field a full roster, what did the Kings have to deal with this summer?)

Mortgaging future assets to fill holes that just open up other holes (see Edmonton trades Greene and Stoll for Visnovsky, and then they were terrible at face offseason and had no toughness on their blueline, the Kings made a trade for depth at center and prevented themselves from signing any sort of goalie)

Struggles integrating drafted players into the roster.

Struggles with draft picks living up to potential throughout the org.

Promoting current staff to "made up" positions, and bringing in alumni players and friends.

No accountability for failure when it comes to staff. (Sturm, Randford, Todd)

No real plan in terms of roster construction, other than "just accumulate talent and we'll win"

Reliance on an aging core that hasn't proven anything in years

None of these are as bad as they are with the Oilers, but the very early signs are there that the Kings may become what the Oilers are now.
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It just doesn't sound like Lowe. Players certainly didn't have a say there, it was his way or the highway.

During most of Lowe's tenure there wasn't a salary cap, only his last couple of years, so kind of harsh to judge them on that.

His draft picks did OK considering he had zero top-5 picks. Eberle was a great get at 22, Gagner wasn't terrible at 6, Petry was fantastic in the 2nd round. Cogliano was meh at 24. Hemsky was solid at #13.

None of that really sounds like Lowe at all, what the Oilers are now is McTavish/Chiarelli. And really, I don't think the two are remotely comparable. The Kings have actually won cups relatively recently and didn't have numerous #1 OA picks, including a generational guy. The Oilers are probably the biggest management failure in recent memory.

You've also listed a bunch of stuff that's common with every other organization in the league. The Kings aren't perfect, but we could be a lot worse off.
 
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Fishhead said:
It just doesn't sound like Lowe. Players certainly didn't have a say there, it was his way or the highway.

During most of Lowe's tenure there wasn't a salary cap, only his last couple of years, so kind of harsh to judge them on that.

His draft picks did OK considering he had zero top-5 picks. Eberle was a great get at 22, Gagner wasn't terrible at 6, Petry was fantastic in the 2nd round. Cogliano was meh at 24. Hemsky was solid at #13.

None of that really sounds like Lowe at all, what the Oilers are now is McTavish/Chiarelli. And really, I don't think the two are remotely comparable. The Kings have actually won cups relatively recently and didn't have numerous #1 OA picks, including a generational guy. The Oilers are probably the biggest management failure in recent memory.

You've also listed a bunch of stuff that's common with every other organization in the league. The Kings aren't perfect, but we could be a lot worse off.
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Lowe was still a part of the organization until last year albeit in less of a hockey ops role. He was essentially in Luc’s role with the team until last year.

The Oilers draft picks outside the 1st round in those 2000s (and to this day really) is absolutely terrible and the few non-1st round picks that did find success Stoll, Greene, Brodziak, Gustafsson, and Pitlick did so with other teams.

I was incorrect about the cap issues, that came later as did the building around a bad core. For some reason I remembered Smyth being in Edmonton for all of Lowe's time as GM (I blame him being traded to the Isles, that other orange and blue team). Although let's not forget Lowe handing out crazy offer sheets to Vanek and Penner after the salary cap became a thing.

But I think my point of there being some parallels between the direction the Kings have gone under Blake and how the Oilers have been mis-managed is there, just less obvious than it is in Edmonton and if anything the issues have shown up quicker in LA than they did in Edmonton.
 
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YAYSAY said:
Boeser now has 12 goals, I don't see how no one wanting him last year is an argument. He's one of their best players right now and has no AHL time. And I recall kings having one of the highest scoring KHL players on their team last year and kept him in the AHL for most of the season
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Yes, he has 12 goals he's on pace for 65 goals, somehow......I don't think he will get there..... and you recall wrong, Tkachev who I assume you are referring to played last year in the KHL, two years ago, he played in AHL 41 games.....and the KHL before that....here's some help, not all KHL players are NHL players....
 
tigermask48 said:
But I think my point of there being some parallels between the direction the Kings have gone under Blake and how the Oilers have been mis-managed is there, just less obvious than it is in Edmonton and if anything the issues have shown up quicker in LA than they did in Edmonton.
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I think you are the only one with this epiphany and all it looks like is that you are trying too hard to dog the organization...as you usually do.

It's amazing how much the temperature changes on this board after a couple losses. Food for thought, no team will go 82-0....not even the team who you think that is doing it 'right' (whoever that is).
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Yes, he has 12 goals he's on pace for 65 goals, somehow......I don't think he will get there..... and you recall wrong, Tkachev who I assume you are referring to played last year in the KHL, two years ago, he played in AHL 41 games.....and the KHL before that....here's some help, not all KHL players are NHL players....
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Another case of a player being mishandled by the Kings? He had 2 points in 4 games averaging 12 mins a game. Seemed like he was producing and playing fine, but the Kings had no clue how to handle an undersized high skill winger and never game him a chance in a scoring role. I really don't see how Tkachev was the problem in his admittedly small sample size.
 
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