Around the league part 2

[kingsholygrail]

San Jose might set records this year for how bad they are. I haven’t paid much attention to them their development the last few years but looking at their roster, I don’t see much hope for the next couple of years.

We'll find a way to lose to them.

 

[Faterson]

 

[johnjm22]

Sports can't even stop concussions. Skate blade injuries, in any way, are rare, and serious or life threatening ones are rarer still. We don't forget the examples, and now there's a death, because there aren't that many. It's the car accident death vs. the plane crash. Far safer to fly, but we remember the plane crashes.

A brutal video though.

You can never be 100% safe. People have to accept that. There's reasonable safety measures of course, but there's a threshold of inconvenience players are not willing to accept in order to protect from a .0000001% event.

Honestly I'm always worried when someone winds up a big 100MPH slapshot into a crowd of players. If the puck ever hit a guy directly in the neck, it'd probably kill em. I'm surprised it hasn't happened.

I haven't watched the video, and I'm not going to.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I dont' remember who it was giving me so much shit for calling Huberdeau a giant bitch who would have no success outside Florida where he was carried by Barkov and other top sixers like Verhaege but I'm feeling pretty smug about that call right now

 

[ru4reals]

We'll find a way to lose to them.

Their first win will be December 19th!!! I can feel it.

 

[GameNight]

Anyone see this video? My brow is raised.

Happened in the UK, most English fans are "unfortunate, sure that can happen when you try a tackle. Natural movement"

Looked like a rugby or some other sports ball play, not a hockey play.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Sports can't even stop concussions. Skate blade injuries, in any way, are rare, and serious or life threatening ones are rarer still. We don't forget the examples, and now there's a death, because there aren't that many. It's the car accident death vs. the plane crash. Far safer to fly, but we remember the plane crashes.

A brutal video though.

Whoever finds a way to negate the force that makes your brain rattle around in your skull in sports will not only be rich, but win a nobel prize.

 

[Statto]

Anyone see this video? My brow is raised.

Happened in the UK, most English fans are "unfortunate, sure that can happen when you try a tackle. Natural movement"

Looked like a rugby or some other sports ball play, not a hockey play.

Please explain?

 

[DoktorJeep]

I didn’t (and won’t) watch the video because I understand it shows the needless death of a young man. It’s a tragic event that is deeply saddening.

I don’t think you can equate the injury that led to him dying to a concussion or anything where a human walks away. Frankly, it’s disgusting to me and would only come from someone who doesn’t value humanity.

Afaik, jolts to the brain aren’t by themselves immediately life threatening. At least in sports. However, Adam Johnson sacrificed his life on the ice. And while extremely rare, it rises to a level that shouldn’t be minimized IMO.

My belief is that protective equipment can all but eliminate these worst case scenarios from happening. I hope the players and the league find a way to invest in innovative solutions that lead the way for all levels of players across the leagues in our world.

And I think it’s incumbent to have a medical response available to save lives in these semi pro and above stadiums. These are adults skating at high speeds, so there must be EMTs on standby. I don’t know what happened in the EIHL, but this young man should have survived in a game in a first world country.

 

[kingsboy11]

Just a heads up to everyone here, do not share the video

 

[Gjwrams]

I didn’t (and won’t) watch the video because I understand it shows the needless death of a young man. It’s a tragic event that is deeply saddening.

I don’t think you can equate the injury that led to him dying to a concussion or anything where a human walks away. Frankly, it’s disgusting to me and would only come from someone who doesn’t value humanity.

Afaik, jolts to the brain aren’t by themselves immediately life threatening. At least in sports. However, Adam Johnson sacrificed his life on the ice. And while extremely rare, it rises to a level that shouldn’t be minimized IMO.

My belief is that protective equipment can all but eliminate these worst case scenarios from happening. I hope the players and the league find a way to invest in innovative solutions that lead the way for all levels of players across the leagues in our world.

And I think it’s incumbent to have a medical response available to save lives in these semi pro and above stadiums. These are adults skating at high speeds, so there must be EMTs on standby. I don’t know what happened in the EIHL, but this young man should have survived in a game in a first world country.

Good points in regard to safety. It was a pretty brutal strike to the neck. I’m not certain if an EMT sitting on the ice could have done much. Very sad incident.

 

[GameNight]

Please explain?

Comments section Daily Mirror

 

[BigKing]

I've seen the skate to the head before but never at open ice by a skater actively tossing his skate up in the air like a complete f***ing moron. There was zero reason for the player to make that type of movement: it isn't even a hockey play. If he simply stuck his leg out behind him for a trip then I could understand but it makes zero sense for Petgrave or whatever to be off his skates in that scenario. Outside of a confession, you can't prove intent and I don't think the player thought to himself "I'm going to kill this player" but we've seen NHL players charged with assault in the past.

As for the safety discussion, the potential of this isn't a new thing as we've come close in the past. I'm not Mr. Safety over here, but pretty lame to see the jersey and helmet ads before something like neck guards.

No skate blade cut on this play but Randy McKay being smashed by teammate Mike Peluso's boot always freaked me out and made you wonder about what if he got it blade first instead of the side of the boot. Comparing it to the Johnson tragedy though, it makes sense here because Peluso makes a big hit that send him flying out of control. This shit at open ice and throwing your skate six feet in the air is the stupidest f***ing thing I've ever seen someone do on the ice.

Peluso KO'ing McKay

 

[kingsholygrail]

Just a heads up to everyone here, do not share the video

I didn't even try to share the one that doesn't show the aftermath. I assumed it was a no-go overall.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

I thought the problem with Calgary last year was Sutter's shelf life.
But it seems it was Huberdeau being a p***y and Kadri being his usual tool outside Colorado.

I wonder if it actually was a guy like Nathan MacKinnon holding Kadri to his best standard. Not even being sarcastic.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I wonder if it actually was a guy like Nathan MacKinnon holding Kadri to his best standard. Not even being sarcastic.

Yeah frankly not a lot of role models in Calgary

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

I've seen the skate to the head before but never at open ice by a skater actively tossing his skate up in the air like a complete f***ing moron. There was zero reason for the player to make that type of movement: it isn't even a hockey play. If he simply stuck his leg out behind him for a trip then I could understand but it makes zero sense for Petgrave or whatever to be off his skates in that scenario. Outside of a confession, you can't prove intent and I don't think the player thought to himself "I'm going to kill this player" but we've seen NHL players charged with assault in the past.

It looks incredibly odd. The one thing I've wondered is whether Petgrave got thrown off balance by Johnson's teammate that Johnson was crossing behind. It's hard to tell (and I'm not going to watch it again at this point because it's horrifying) but it almost looked to me like Johnson's teammate slowed down and set a little pick on Petgrave that caused Petgrave to get off balance.

 

[YP44]

Yeah frankly not a lot of role models in Calgary

how many coaches has Calgary gone through since Hartley? The players here wine and moan about their coaches and get them turfed, than do it again. Team has been a playoff team one year than shit the next for the last few years as well. So they do go hand in hand. Guess I cannot blame the flames players on Peters dismissal.

I kinda like that the team is still shit after kicking sutter to the curb.

 

[Statto]

I didn’t (and won’t) watch the video because I understand it shows the needless death of a young man. It’s a tragic event that is deeply saddening.

I don’t think you can equate the injury that led to him dying to a concussion or anything where a human walks away. Frankly, it’s disgusting to me and would only come from someone who doesn’t value humanity.

Afaik, jolts to the brain aren’t by themselves immediately life threatening. At least in sports. However, Adam Johnson sacrificed his life on the ice. And while extremely rare, it rises to a level that shouldn’t be minimized IMO.

My belief is that protective equipment can all but eliminate these worst case scenarios from happening. I hope the players and the league find a way to invest in innovative solutions that lead the way for all levels of players across the leagues in our world.

And I think it’s incumbent to have a medical response available to save lives in these semi pro and above stadiums. These are adults skating at high speeds, so there must be EMTs on standby. I don’t know what happened in the EIHL, but this young man should have survived in a game in a first world country.

The English and Scottish Ice Hockey Associations (British governing bodies for non semi-pro leagues) have mandated neck guards from January 1st. Until then they are strenuously recommended but are allowing time to comply as they are expecting supply issues. Some teams have started mandating then immediately also.

 

[YP44]

The English and Scottish Ice Hockey Associations (British governing bodies for non semi-pro leagues) have mandated neck guards from January 1st. Until then they are strenuously recommended but are allowing time to comply as they are expecting supply issues. Some teams have started mandating then immediately also.

Read an article on the athletic about TJ oshie has invested into an apparel that makes an undershirt that also has a neck guard in place that would likely have prevented this. Crazy that Oshie himself does not wear it, saying rinks are too hot.
Given the Q and the OHL mandate, no reason it cannot be grandfathered into the NHL like helmets and visors.

 

[Statto]

Read an article on the athletic about TJ oshie has invested into an apparel that makes an undershirt that also has a neck guard in place that would likely have prevented this. Crazy that Oshie himself does not wear it, saying rinks are too hot.
Given the Q and the OHL mandate, no reason it cannot be grandfathered into the NHL like helmets and visors.

Personally I think grandfathering in is a cop out (not directed at you). They’d get used to it soon enough.

The NHLPA should insist on it for safety not Grandfathering for reasons that will be at best about mild discomfort and worst (let’s face it more likely) ego. It was the same with helmets and visors where players who wore them by choice were often looked down on.

Edit: I posted by accident and then deleted something I thought I’d already deleted regarding the injury. I changed my mind as I decided it was not appropriate. My apologies if anyone saw it.

 

[Gjwrams]

@Statto not sure what you meant by “warning” graphic response? Are you implying my response was insensitive?

 

[BigKing]

It looks incredibly odd. The one thing I've wondered is whether Petgrave got thrown off balance by Johnson's teammate that Johnson was crossing behind. It's hard to tell (and I'm not going to watch it again at this point because it's horrifying) but it almost looked to me like Johnson's teammate slowed down and set a little pick on Petgrave that caused Petgrave to get off balance.

It's one of the strangest moves I've ever seen in my too many years of watching hockey. Like, worst case in a scenario like this would be a knee-on-knee but this guy just hits the eject button and legit jump kicks him.

 

[kingsfan28]

You can never be 100% safe. People have to accept that. There's reasonable safety measures of course, but there's a threshold of inconvenience players are not willing to accept in order to protect from a .0000001% event.

Honestly I'm always worried when someone winds up a big 100MPH slapshot into a crowd of players. If the puck ever hit a guy directly in the neck, it'd probably kill em. I'm surprised it hasn't happened.

I haven't watched the video, and I'm not going to.

I'm more concered about players hitting their head on the ice or into the glass because their helmet isn't strapped on right. When Tkchuck punched Tuch a few weeks ago his helmet was off in a second and his head hit the ice after the fight. Juice is the worse offender on the Kings, his chinstrap practically touched the neck of his jersey and every time he gets hit, it moves away from protecting him. It was nearly off his head before Byrum drilled him into the boards, then he hit the ice with little protection. Still can't figure out why the league allows this to continues.

 

[tny760]

I'm more concered about players hitting their head on the ice or into the glass because their helmet isn't strapped on right. When Tkchuck punched Tuch a few weeks ago his helmet was off in a second and his head hit the ice after the fight. Juice is the worse offender on the Kings, his chinstrap practically touched the neck of his jersey and every time he gets hit, it moves away from protecting him. It was nearly off his head before Byrum drilled him into the boards, then he hit the ice with little protection. Still can't figure out why the league allows this to continues.

i honestly don't know how guys do that. literally nothing drives me more crazy than my bucket being loose.. hard hat, welding hood, bike helmet, whatever. i want that locked down on my head