Around the league part 2

[johnjm22]

So you’re saying I shouldn’t have gotten tickets for Saturday’s game. f***.

Vegas will be 8-0-0 headed in to Saturday's game. So 4 regulation losses in their last 39 games.

BUT, the Knights have probably played the easiest schedule in the NHL thus far. They'll be due for a loss.

 

[tigermask48]

Senators' Pinto suspended 41 games for violating NHL gambling rules

The NHL has suspended unsigned Ottawa Senators centre Shane Pinto 41 games for violating league gambling rules, multiple sources told Sportsnet.

www.sportsnet.ca

Edit: they need to sign him so he can start working off his suspension

Was this an update later? Because the article specifically states that his suspension is NOT dependent on him signing a contract and he is except from the Dec. 1 deadline rule. So he can sign a deal after the suspension is up, and still play this year.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Was this an update later? Because the article specifically states that his suspension is NOT dependent on him signing a contract and he is except from the Dec. 1 deadline rule. So he can sign a deal after the suspension is up, and still play this year.

No my bad I didnt read through it.. thx for point it out

 

[Little Psycho]

Vegas will be 8-0-0 headed in to Saturday's game. So 4 regulation losses in their last 39 games.

BUT, the Knights have probably played the easiest schedule in the NHL thus far. They'll be due for a loss.

I hope so. The last few games I’ve been to were against the oilers in the playoffs.

 

[King'sPawn]

Was this an update later? Because the article specifically states that his suspension is NOT dependent on him signing a contract and he is except from the Dec. 1 deadline rule. So he can sign a deal after the suspension is up, and still play this year.

That seems pretty weak. If he's unsigned, he's not on the roster.

Why couldn't Kaliyev or anyone else serve their suspension off the roster?

 

[tny760]

That seems pretty weak. If he's unsigned, he's not on the roster.

Why couldn't Kaliyev or anyone else serve their suspension off the roster?

sounds like this was an extensively negotiated thing, i imagine to keep a number of skeletons inside the closet..

 

[chris kontos]

Vegas will be 8-0-0 headed in to Saturday's game. So 4 regulation losses in their last 39 games.

BUT, the Knights have probably played the easiest schedule in the NHL thus far. They'll be due for a loss.

It could happen

 

[SmytheKing]

sounds like this was an extensively negotiated thing, i imagine to keep a number of skeletons inside the closet..

I gotta figure it's more about the fact that if he can't start serving a suspension until he's signed, it's going to be harder for him to get a deal. What team is going to give a guy a contract and then be forced to let him sit for 41 games but still pay him?

 

[shuchukfan]

Kings got Frasier + pick for Smyth.

Didn't Fraser score the first goal in the Finals against Jersey?

 

[bland]

I gotta figure it's more about the fact that if he can't start serving a suspension until he's signed, it's going to be harder for him to get a deal. What team is going to give a guy a contract and then be forced to let him sit for 41 games but still pay him?

I imagine there is a difference in the CBA between on-ice incidents and offenses that jeopardize the legitimacy of the league.

 

[tny760]

I imagine there is a difference in the CBA between on-ice incidents and offenses that jeopardize the legitimacy of the league.

that's kinda what i'm getting at, rules are only rules until they're not

 

[BaileyFan]

that's kinda what i'm getting at, rules are only rules until they're not

Standard operating procedure for the NHL. See New Jersey losing a 1st for the Kovalchuk cap circumvention only to get it back because he happened to go back to Russia early. Or the Kings still paying for Richards, which is now having a severe impact on the day to day roster, when the league let the Sharks off scot free for doing the same thing to Kane.

 

[King'sPawn]

Didn't Fraser score the first goal in the Finals against Jersey?

Yep.

I imagine there is a difference in the CBA between on-ice incidents and offenses that jeopardize the legitimacy of the league.

Well, Voynov still counted against the cap while suspended indefinitely for abusing his wife. Kings had to ask the league to lift it after some time.

Maybe the Senators asked for it, but this is the first time a non-roster player gets to serve his suspension while unsigned.

 

[kingsholygrail]

The Kings do tend to play the Knights pretty hard.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Has anybody checked in on Johnny Utah?

 

[King'sPawn]

Has anybody checked in on Johnny Utah?

Crazy that he's been going at it for 12 years.

 

[tigermask48]

I gotta figure it's more about the fact that if he can't start serving a suspension until he's signed, it's going to be harder for him to get a deal. What team is going to give a guy a contract and then be forced to let him sit for 41 games but still pay him?

It's all mostly explained in the article. Sounds like the investigation started during contract negotiations and Ottawa and Pinto stopped negotiations. Whatever the violation was it wasn't gambling on NHL games, but it's severe enough that Pinto was appreciative of how Ottawa has kept it under wraps so it sounds like a rather personal matter.

Speculation on my part; the NHLs hands are kind of tied. How do you assess a cap penalty for a player with no cap hit? He's an RFA so Ottawa really doesn't need to do anything with him, and can maintain his rights, as it's basically like a player leaving for Europe. The other examples brought up all had a tangible dollar figure that could be applied as a penalty. But the league doesn't really have anything they can do in this instance.

The CBA only allows the league to fine a player, void or cancel the contract, or suspend the player. So honestly this is about all they can due since their is no contract to void and so no set amount to apply as a cap penalty.

 

[YP44]

Yep.


Well, Voynov still counted against the cap while suspended indefinitely for abusing his wife. Kings had to ask the league to lift it after some time.

Maybe the Senators asked for it, but this is the first time a non-roster player gets to serve his suspension while unsigned.

how would the league enforce the cap of an unsigned player.
He should not be able to start serving till he is signed IMO.

 

[tigermask48]

how would the league enforce the cap of an unsigned player.
He should not be able to start serving till he is signed IMO.

If the violation is a personal matter, then it's very likely the suspension is for the player to seek the help that they need and not meant to punish the team.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Ah yes, how could we forget Ryan Smyth and the mean streets of The Strand

 

[Fishhead]

Ah yes, how could we forget Ryan Smyth and the mean streets of The Strand

The place is going to shit. I drove through there last year and there was one guy just standing on the corner loitering. I almost flagged down a police officer but I kind of liked his tie so I let it go.

 

[chris kontos]

Eliot friedman was saying pinto let someone else (or multiple others)use his betting account

 

[kingsfan28]

This is such a weird situation for the NHL. 41 games for a guy not under contract, how does that even work for the players emergency assistance fund? Honestly, if there ever was going to be an issue I thought it would be Kane getting in trouble with his well document gambling debts. I'll tell you one thing, players are now going to question everything they bet on and will it get them in trouble.

 

[tigermask48]

Eliot friedman was saying pinto let someone else (or multiple others)use his betting account

That's way better than where my mind went which was a non-hockey related sports addiction. But yeah, enough to warrant a suspension.

 

[Brodeur]

It's funny hearing Brian Burke embellish how that deal went down. We all have that friend who exaggerates their stories....

Burke: He went to bed the night before freaking out because he thought he was going to end up with Pavel Brendl who he didn't want. But be persisted and eventually Tampa cracked. He then made another trade so he didn't have to go to the stage twice to draft both Sedins.

Maybe Burke didn't have the benefit of hindsight but:

- He offered a rather paltry sum (pair of 3rd rounders) to move up from #4 to #1. Tampa GM Rick Dudley countered with a 2nd+4th. Burke was really that stressed because of the difference between a 2nd and 3rd round pick in what he's retroactively called the worst draft in modern history.

- Just the fact that Tampa was willing to trade down for a 2nd should have been an indicator that Tampa wasn't taking Daniel Sedin. After the draft, Dudley said they would have taken Pavel Brendl had they kept #1.

- Dudley had Burke's offer in his back pocket while he was negotiating a deal with the Rangers who also wanted Brendl. Coincidentally the league had rejected the Rangers trade for Ziggy Palffy a week before that draft. So they'd end up recycling some of those assets to move up for Brendl.

- Since he was already delivering Brendl to the Rangers, Dudley accepted Burke's offer on the morning of the draft since those picks were free assets at that point.

TL;DR: If Burke doesn't make his overly complicated trade, he still gets the Sedins at #3/4 instead of #2/3. The Rangers draft Pavel Brendl #1. Atlanta takes Patrik Stefan #2.