Around the league part 2

[GoldenBearHockey]

Yeah I guess I only ever saw the report of them discussing Quick's plan beyond the end of the contract.

I genuinely apologize GBH, I have Axl on block (after he started harassing me in PMs during his last break) so I didn't see what or who you were responding to.

No doubt it was something bordering on crazy knowing Axl (he needs to be banned) and your response was likely the correct response.

Again, sorry for my response and I hope that clears things up.

Dude I misread him with the Quick thing, hence the whole f*** subtlety ....thought he was talking about Blake's responsible for Quick winning the cup back in the day etc...

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Sometimes it’s crazy to think there’s a whole short bus conversation happening behind my Ignore button in any given thread.

 

[SmytheKing]

I may be wrong but didn't Quick refuse to go to C-bus because he knew he would be the third guy and in the press box? Or was the Jackets plan always to flip him somewhere else?

No. They told his agent pretty much right away that they were flipping him and that he didn't need to report to the team. They told him they would try to get him to a contender. Columbus had no interest in keeping him.

 

[YP44]

What do you mean by have the conversation first? Are you suggesting that Blake should have gotten Quick's 'OK' to make the trade that would improve the team going forward? Do you really think that's how trades work? - "Hey Jonathan, we really need to what's best for the team and ultimately what's best for you. Is it cool if we trade you to CBJ?"

I don't know how it went down, what was said, what wasn't said .. how Quick feels about it, how Blakes feels about it.....and guess what, no matter how much blind hate you have for Blake, you don't know either! This was taken from the LA Times article:

>>Blake conceded it was unfortunate he couldn’t deliver the news to Quick in person after the Kings’ 6-5 shootout victory at Winnipeg on Tuesday. Blake didn’t go on the trip, and when Hockey Night in Canada reporter Elliotte Friedman broke the news on Twitter, Blake couldn’t wait. He spoke to Quick by phone and separately to Drew Doughty and Anze Kopitar, now the last players left from the Cup teams. Were they shocked? Disappointed? “Both,” Blake said.<<

back when LA dealt Carter Blake was quoted saying something along the lines of "guys liek Quick and Carter although have no trade protection deserve to know and be part of the process" something like that. Sorry could not spend more time trying to find the actual quote.

I am just saying Blake contradicted himself.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

back when LA dealt Carter Blake was quoted saying something along the lines of "guys liek Quick and Carter although have no trade protection deserve to know and be part of the process" something like that. Sorry could not spend more time trying to find the actual quote.

I am just saying Blake contradicted himself.

Sure, maybe...depending on how you look at it. In a perfect world, I'm sure you sit down with a player and talk it out....however, I think Carter and Quick were in two very different situations. Did Carter have a no-move clause where they would have to get his approval for a trade? Quick didn't, right? Quick's contract was going to be up and the Kings weren't bringing him back. They had an opportunity to get something for him because they weren't going to play him -- can you imagine the grief you guys would give Blake for letting Quick go sign with NYR in the offseason knowing he could have got SOMETHING for him?

 

[YP44]

Sure, maybe...depending on how you look at it. In a perfect world, I'm sure you sit down with a player and talk it out....however, I think Carter and Quick were in two very different situations. Did Carter have a no-move clause where they would have to get his approval for a trade? Quick didn't, right? Quick's contract was going to be up and the Kings weren't bringing him back. They had an opportunity to get something for him because they weren't going to play him -- can you imagine the grief you guys would give Blake for letting Quick go sign with NYR in the offseason knowing he could have got SOMETHING for him?

Carter did not have trade protection.
I think Quick was only part of the trade last year as LA needed to move cap out to make it work, and needed to open a roster spot for Korpisalo.

 

[tny760]

Sometimes it’s crazy to think there’s a whole short bus conversation happening behind my Ignore button in any given thread.

crazy that the moderation team allows it to happen instead of controlling the situation

 

[psych3man]

re: hurting Quick’s feelings--
The Knights don‘t give a shit about hurting someone’s feelings, they care about winning.
I’ll take a double dose of that for the Kings any time.

 

[Maynard]

crazy that the moderation team allows it to happen instead of controlling the situation

You can expect a flaming infraction for this comment. The mods have very tender and gentle feelings when they’re called out for actively protecting the guys who ruined this board.

 

[YP44]

re: hurting Quick’s feelings--
The Knights don‘t give a shit about hurting someone’s feelings, they care about winning.
I’ll take a double dose of that for the Kings any time.

agree in principle but the Knights have not been around long enough to have a player with the Tenure that Kopitar, Brown, Quick, Etc have. Will be interesting to see if they will be as cut throat with the players seen as their core last year. Moving Smith shows maybe they will be.

 

[kingsfan28]

Quick WON A CUP because of what Blake 'did'..which eventually resulted to him being signed by his dream team to finish out his career. I'm sure Quick is good with it!

Everyone wants Blake to have balls, make bold moves, not be tied to the vets. When he actually does just that, we get out the pitch forks. Twilight Zone...

My issue with the trade was he never told Quick it might happen, then when he was delt, he didn't have the guts to fly there and tell him in person. Blake and Luc bs excuse about no time and too busy to go to WPG to tell him was the worst part. Too many people knew Quick was traded before he did.

 

[kingsfan28]

Lastly, Quick didn't handle the whole thing great himself, essentially refusing to play for Columbus and forcing a trade to a contender. Spoke volumes of both his work ethic and his cockiness.

source? Never heard any of this.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Nice to see this player immedietly put on his ass after admiring his between-the-legs pass.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

My issue with the trade was he never told Quick it might happen, then when he was delt, he didn't have the guts to fly there and tell him in person. Blake and Luc bs excuse about no time and too busy to go to WPG to tell him was the worst part. Too many people knew Quick was traded before he did.

So your issue is directly related to total speculation. You have absolutely ZERO knowledge in how things were handled between the parties at hand. Cool.

 

[kingsholygrail]

I still can't be bothered to get ESPN+ for this frozen frenzy thing.

 

[tigermask48]

source? Never heard any of this.

I was mistaken, see my following posts and others following posts. I thought I remembered him refusing to show up but it was C-bus that always planned to trade him elsewhere it seems.

 

[Fishhead]

Weren't Woodcroft and the Oilers banking on a new defensive system this year that was supposed to improve their GAA greatly? Well, it's not working. If McDavid is out for closer to two weeks than one they may be in quite a hole.

 

[johnjm22]

Vegas has 4 regulation losses in their last 38 regular season games.

 

[johnjm22]

To put that into perspective. Boston, in their record setting season, had 12 regulation losses last year.

4-in-38 translates to 9 losses over the course of 82 games.

2 of VGK's 4 losses were with Quick in net.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Weren't Woodcroft and the Oilers banking on a new defensive system this year that was supposed to improve their GAA greatly? Well, it's not working. If McDavid is out for closer to two weeks than one they may be in quite a hole.

 

[Herby]

I'm trying to think of the last Kings I really wanted to fail after leaving the team. Roenick? There has to be someone more recent than that,

Cryin Ryan Smyth.

1. Demand a trade for $$$

2. Play dumb and accuse Bob Mackenzie of lying “I have no idea where that came from, I haven’t requested a trade”

3. Come clean about demanding a trade but then play the “safety of my children card”

4. Never apologized publicly for calling BM a liar.

Ryan Smyth was the Western Canadian Alexei Yashin

Longterm contracts are the devil. Sure, there is security, but they do often end up with a bitter taste in the mouths of the players and the fans.

At the very least, Kopitar's didn't turn him into a pariah like Brown and Quick. Though, I do often wonder if his style of keeping gas in the tank for the long haul reduced the impact of letting it all hang out earlier in his career. Who knows what could have happened if he went for broke during his prime years.

Doughty's play will likely be serviceable at a minimum towards the end of his deal, just a question of whether his highly competitive nature will allow him to accept a lesser role without creating any issues. Based on the recent article and his outward vocalizations at the end of 2021, that is an area of concern.

I love them for guys who are 21-23, I think there is a reason that almost every young star signs one, it's mutually beneficial to both the player (security, market value+ in younger seasons) and to the team (control through entire prime, cap savings on market value years 4-8).

Of course with the way the Kings claim they are building with this "slow cook" even if players were to break out at 25-26, then its time time to pay that guy a contract that takes him into his 30's, where you end up paying huge money for declining assets (Doughty). At least with Drew though the Kings got 3 seasons (2 of them Norris caliber out of his ELC).

 

[BigKing]

Count me as a guy that has zero excitement for Martinez or Quick getting a Cup with Vegas because I hate Vegas. They've got two Cups already. To be a Kings fan and actively root for Vegas--outside of SR10 since he lives there--is mind boggling to me.

Sure, I am fine with them playing well individually but you'll never catch me rooting for a Vegas/Anaheim/San Jose Cup win no matter the former King on their roster. My mom could be 4th line RW and I'd still want them to lose.

 

[YP44]

So your issue is directly related to total speculation. You have absolutely ZERO knowledge in how things were handled between the parties at hand. Cool.

When multiple sports site report on it, and players say how it shocked them is it speculation?

 

[Herby]

Count me as a guy that has zero excitement for Martinez or Quick getting a Cup with Vegas because I hate Vegas. They've got two Cups already. To be a Kings fan and actively root for Vegas--outside of SR10 since he lives there--is mind boggling to me.

Sure, I am fine with them playing well individually but you'll never catch me rooting for a Vegas/Anaheim/San Jose Cup win no matter the former King on their roster. My mom could be 4th line RW and I'd still want them to lose.

I know in this case it wasn't as drastic, but I am still amazed by people who switched what team they supported based on an individual player. In all my years following all the sports, those Mike Richards people who became active Kings fans after that trade was just so bizarre to me. Could anyone imagine becoming Islanders or Devils fans had Kopi been traded there 5 years ago? Its one thing to wish the player well, but to become a fan posting on messageboards and switching team allegiance?

I wonder, did they all go back to being Flyers fans?

 

[kingsholygrail]

Count me as a guy that has zero excitement for Martinez or Quick getting a Cup with Vegas because I hate Vegas. They've got two Cups already. To be a Kings fan and actively root for Vegas--outside of SR10 since he lives there--is mind boggling to me.

Sure, I am fine with them playing well individually but you'll never catch me rooting for a Vegas/Anaheim/San Jose Cup win no matter the former King on their roster. My mom could be 4th line RW and I'd still want them to lose.

I didn't actively root for Vegas. The situation was just win-win for me. Former Kings getting new rings or Vegas getting defeated. Both outcomes were optimal for me.