Around the league part 2

[GoldenBearHockey]

I’ve said many times I was on the ‘Faber is a steal’ band wagon from early on, however I was ok with the trade. I think you mentioned something about not liking it ?

My issue was always with what they then did with the depth and wasting it by playing Walker and Durzi. They are still wasting those two. Given the wasted year they moved the wrong guy and could have had Doughty, Faber and Spence or Clarke heading into next season. A potential cup winning right side. Instead at least one of Clarke or Spence will be undercooked heading into 24/5 and if not traded the other will be untested in a top 4 role.


Perceived context though. It’s such a subjective viewpoint but I think you’re correct in their thinking. They should (I’ve always held this view) make these things black&white and injury shouldn’t be a factor either.

It's tough, but you can tell when a guy is pissed and taking revenge vs a guy who just put his body in an awkward position, but yea, it's subjective, the entire process is subjective, which I think is the right way to do it,

Imagine treating all slashing the same, so you get one guy who gets pissed and whackes the shinpans with a two hander, and then you get another whackjob who is pissed and whacks the shoulders, let's even say both identical reasons, revenge, should they be punished the same? They were both slashes, but one was inherently more dangerous than the other.

 

[Statto]

It's tough, but you can tell when a guy is pissed and taking revenge vs a guy who just put his body in an awkward position, but yea, it's subjective, the entire process is subjective, which I think is the right way to do it,

Imagine treating all slashing the same, so you get one guy who gets pissed and whackes the shinpans with a two hander, and then you get another whackjob who is pissed and whacks the shoulders, let's even say both identical reasons, revenge, should they be punished the same? They were both slashes, but one was inherently more dangerous than the other.

I agree. I’d base suspension based in where the slash targets, in this case. I’d also make suspension much more severe in general as it’d soon clean up 90% of these plays. It’d be significantly more effective at policing things than the mythical code.

I agree Arty was pissed but did he go after the knee or did being pissed make him over extend in trying to make legitimate contact. Certainly a subjective take and arguably not as bad as calmly doing it on purpose in clinical fashion. I’m not saying I agree with that premise but some will, which is why I wouldn’t make the distinction. It removes debate. The length of suspensions for all of it is pathetic.

Oh yeah, sorry I’m getting this wrong… Blake sucks!

 

[Herby]

Overrated Brock Faber with his first NHL goal.



Edit: guess I'll also add that Fagemo is a healthy scratch again. Can you imagine if the Kings had cap space to scratch a player instead of losing a second-round pick for nothing?

Isn’t it funny how the “overrated” talk only started in June 2022. Was never mentioned as being overrated before that. Wonder what changed?

I’ve said many times I was on the ‘Faber is a steal’ band wagon from early on, however I was ok with the trade. I think you mentioned something about not liking it ?

My issue was always with what they then did with the depth and wasting it by playing Walker and Durzi. They are still wasting those two. Given the wasted year they moved the wrong guy and could have had Doughty, Faber and Spence or Clarke heading into next season. A potential cup winning right side. Instead at least one of Clarke or Spence will be undercooked heading into 24/5 and if not traded the other will be untested in a top 4 role.


Perceived context though. It’s such a subjective viewpoint but I think you’re correct in their thinking. They should (I’ve always held this view) make these things black&white and injury shouldn’t be a factor either.

I was ok with it. I thought it was a fair value trade for a Kings team that was trying to win now.

I just said it was ridiculous that people were calling it a” fleecing” , “getting Fiala at a huge discount” or some of the other stuff said on here. The Kings gave up a really good young player who was going to be on a cheap contract and got back a really good player in his prime.

Faber has the Q Hughes type game sense, guys who think the game like he does are hard to find. But Fiala is a huge talent and the Kings had to get better offensively.

 

[tigermask48]

I’ve said many times I was on the ‘Faber is a steal’ band wagon from early on, however I was ok with the trade. I think you mentioned something about not liking it ?

I feel with certain players you have moments where you know a player is going to be special. Doughty attempting that spin-o-rama in the 2010 Olympics as a 20 year old, those clips of Bedard from Hawks camp.

I feel like Faber's play in the past Olympics was one of those. You could just tell watching him that he was something special.

 

[Wildturkey12]

I was always under the impression that Faber was not going to sign with us and was going to wait the 30 days after leaving college and sign with the Wild anyways. If that was the case, the fact that we got anything from him is a win.

 

[King'sPawn]

I was always under the impression that Faber was not going to sign with us and was going to wait the 30 days after leaving college and sign with the Wild anyways. If that was the case, the fact that we got anything from him is a win.

That's been debunked by people coping with a trade or wanting to minimize a prospect who was no longer part of the Kings organization.

Faber played another year in college after the trade to Minnesota. And he said he would have signed in LA as well.

 

[Schrute farms]

what made the Faber inclusion in the Fiala trade a good one (for me that is) was the fact we had Spence and just drafted Clarke on the RH side. Along with DD firmly planted for many years and not going anywhere.....not to mention Roy and Grans. So a huge log jam there at RHD.

Personally, i would have looked into keeping Faber and trading Spence among others; or drafting someone else (goalie) instead of Clarke. But for what we had, it made sense to use one or more of the RHD to fix holes elsewhere. Whether Fiala was the right guy to bring in, and Faber the right guy going out, is a different story that will ultimately unfold over future years.

 

[Wildturkey12]

That's been debunked by people coping with a trade or wanting to minimize a prospect who was no longer part of the Kings organization.

Faber played another year in college after the trade to Minnesota. And he said he would have signed in LA as well.

That was being talked about months before the trade even happened. It doesnt matter if he played another year or not, unless I am misunderstanding the rule, he could have waited the 30 days after saying he was done with college and signed with his hometown team.

 

[Statto]

That was being talked about months before the trade even happened. It doesnt matter if he played another year or not, unless I am misunderstanding the rule, he could have waited the 30 days after saying he was done with college and signed with his hometown team.

I think the 30 day rule applies once they finish college eligibility, so would not apply if they finish after their junior year, as an example.

 

[DAkings20]

How the f*** does Arty get 4 games and Hathaway only gets a fine??

NHL DPS be like

 

[YP44]

How the f*** does Arty get 4 games and Hathaway only gets a fine??

NHL DPS be like

I don't put a lot of stock into two of those games as they are preseason. But still how does Kaliyev get 2 regular season games and Hathaway a fine?

Only thing I can think of is league feel Kaliyev was out to hurt after getting knocked on his ass.

 

[King'sPawn]

That was being talked about months before the trade even happened. It doesnt matter if he played another year or not, unless I am misunderstanding the rule, he could have waited the 30 days after saying he was done with college and signed with his hometown team.

It was being speculated because he wouldn't sign with the Kings immediately. There was never any substance to it.

 

[kingsfan28]

I’ve said many times I was on the ‘Faber is a steal’ band wagon from early on, however I was ok with the trade. I think you mentioned something about not liking it ?

My issue was always with what they then did with the depth and wasting it by playing Walker and Durzi. They are still wasting those two. Given the wasted year they moved the wrong guy and could have had Doughty, Faber and Spence or Clarke heading into next season. A potential cup winning right side. Instead at least one of Clarke or Spence will be undercooked heading into 24/5 and if not traded the other will be untested in a top 4 role.


Perceived context though. It’s such a subjective viewpoint but I think you’re correct in their thinking. They should (I’ve always held this view) make these things black&white and injury shouldn’t be a factor either.

You weren't getting Fiala for just a 1st and walker [knee injury] or Durzi . High end talent takes a high end prospect in return and for all we know they asked for Clarke, or Byfield or Valardi. I'm fine with the deal with both sides getting what they wanted, and the Kings still having two really good RHD. We will be fine without him .

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

You weren't getting Fiala for just a 1st and walker[knee injury] or Durzi [who had yet to play an nhl game]. High end talent takes a high end prospect in return and for all we know they asked for Clarke, or Byfield or Valardi. I'm fine with the deal with both sides getting what they wanted, and the Kings still having two really good RHD. We will be fine without him .

Durzi had played 64 NHL games by the time the Kings traded for Fiala, and he had 27 points in those games (many for which he was one of the default top defensemen due to all the injuries the Kings had on the backend). That being said, he was probably still not enough to get Fiala since his limitations were clear by that point.

 

[kingsfan28]

Durzi had played 64 NHL games by the time the Kings traded for Fiala, and he had 27 points in those games (many for which he was one of the default top defensemen due to all the injuries the Kings had on the backend). That being said, he was probably still not enough to get Fiala since his limitations were clear by that point.

my bad, forgot he had the early call up the season before.

 

[kingsholygrail]

How the f*** does Arty get 4 games and Hathaway only gets a fine??

NHL DPS be like

The only thing I could reason is for Kaliyev the punishment was for the retaliation not the knee.

 

[DAkings20]

Jack Hughes looks incredible, just toying with people out there

 

[chris kontos]

Ken danyko
They sure dont make defensemen like him anymore

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

NJD officially eliminated from Stanley Cup contention as they blew 3rd period lead and lose to ARZ.

They are now part of a list that include LAK and EDM.

 

[KingsHockey24]

NJD officially eliminated from Stanley Cup contention as they blew 3rd period lead and lose to ARZ.

They are now part of a list that include LAK and EDM.

Sean Durzi blossoms into an elite Norris trophy candidate in AZ.

 

[Fishhead]

How the f*** does Arty get 4 games and Hathaway only gets a fine??

NHL DPS be like

You are a lot closer than you think. I sent an email complaining about the seemingly random decisions to the NHL's office. They assured me this wasn't true and even shared their decision matrix.

Official NHL DOPS Decision Matrix

 

[LAKings88]

Sean Durzi blossoms into an elite Norris trophy candidate in AZ.

Durzi is a good player. Better than DD on the PP honestly.

Wouldn’t surprise me if he sets more points than DD this year.

 

[King'sPawn]

Anyone who pays attention can honestly discuss that Durzi, by and large, is an effective offensive defenseman (although he seemed completely oblivious to Kaliyev's openness on the powerplay).

But he's also arguably braindead on his own side of the blueline. Doesn't identify incoming threats and overestimates his breakout passing.

 

[bland]

Funny how Durzi and Faber are the topic here. Couldn't find two more opposite players.

And the Faber trade was a robbery. No way in hell will Fiala ever have the kind of real, lasting impact on the Kings that Faber will have in Minnesota. Its all still on potential - Faber is a likely decade-long fixture on your first pairing. Fiala is also still living on what he could do here - he made zero difference to the Kings last year. Finished in the same spot, lost to the same team for the same reasons. His arrival had very little real impact on the team other than excitement. Hell, you could easily argue that the best the Kings played all year AND in the playoffs was when Fiala was injured.

Until Fiala can provide some substance that matches the flash, which means thinking less like a one man band, playing even just acceptable defense, cutting out the blatant diving and retaliation penalties and proving he can adapt to a center to actually play on a teams first line, its a loss for the team no matter how many asses he lifts out of the seats.

 

[Brownie to Pancakes]

I don't think it's fair to compare no-Fiala 2021 with yes-Fiala 2022 in that way. He contributed a very good offensive season and was a key reason why the PP went from dogshit to real good. The counterfactual to use is what the kings would have looked like without him for the entire year, and that's not a playoff team at all, regardless of their already-existing heater when he was injured. There are lots of other reasons, mainly on D and the PK and in goal, that made the ultimate outcome of each season the same.