Around the league part 2

[bland]

Please. If Blake were GM in Chicago he would have been the one sending the 2nd to NY to take Bailey.

Chicago is being simply masterful over the past year. Brilliant management. Folks didn't see this starting last year with the DrBrincat deal, but they will start to understand it really quickly.

Stripped away the old identity and the trappings of expectations, tanked hard at the perfect time, killed it in two straight drafts, and is insulating the kids with short-term bridge deals while piling up picks.

Everything the Kings SHOULD have done but didn't.

Klim Kostin and Yamamoto were traded today to Detroit. Does that mean our chances at beating the Oilers improved?

If they get Karlsson, yeah, they do.

 

[Bandit]

Chicago is being simply masterful over the past year. Brilliant management. Folks didn't see this starting last year with the DrBrincat deal, but they will start to understand it really quickly.

Stripped away the old identity and the trappings of expectations, tanked hard at the perfect time, killed it in two straight drafts, and is insulating the kids with short-term bridge deals while piling up picks.

Everything the Kings SHOULD have done but didn't.


If they get Karlsson, yeah, they do.

I mean yes, but it was eaiser for them that both Kane and Towes were clearly on their last leg this year. It's not like they did this 7 years ago.

 

[bland]

I mean yes, but it was eaiser for them that both Kane and Towes were clearly on their last leg this year. It's not like they did this 7 years ago.

Easy for sure, but they enabled it early with the DeBrincat move, which a whole lot of people questioned. It forced their hand instead of using sentimentality to bridge to the past. It would have been very easy to retain Toews as a "teacher", but you have to cut those ties and move on.


The Kings have spent the entirety of Kopitar's extension accomplishing nothing. It just kept their mediocre years from being bad ones, and bad years from being awful. All adversely affecting the quality of prospects added to the asset list and promoting year after year of chasing something that couldn't be caught. It was always going to be like this, there was no other remotely likely outcome. Just 8 wasted years.

So I expect a 3 year, $22.5 million extension to be announced next week at this rate.

 

[King'sPawn]

Easy for sure, but they enabled it early with the DeBrincat move, which a whole lot of people questioned. It forced their hand instead of using sentimentality to bridge to the past. It would have been very easy to retain Toews as a "teacher", but you have to cut those ties and move on.


The Kings have spent the entirety of Kopitar's extension accomplishing nothing. It just kept their mediocre years from being bad ones, and bad years from being awful. All adversely affecting the quality of prospects added to the asset list and promoting year after year of chasing something that couldn't be caught. It was always going to be like this, there was no other remotely likely outcome. Just 8 wasted years.

So I expect a 3 year, $22.5 million extension to be announced next week at this rate.

But they didn't cut ties with the past. They traded away a quality young player who was in his early 20s. Then they kept the cancerous players who looked the other way as their teammate was sexually assaulted. Kane and Toews both declining faster than Kopitar forced Chicago's hand. Then they won the lottery when a generational player is available.

That's not masterful handling. That's the definition of getting lucky while having fortunate circumstances of your vets wearing down forcing your hand.

The Kings shouldn't have been trying to win the cup with Kopitar the past several years - but they should have tried to rebuild with a new core while having a legend insulate and teach.

The equivalent of what Chicago did would be trading away Tyler Toffoli in 2016/2017. I said at least one of Pearson/Toffoli should have been traded after the Vegas sweep.

 

[BringTheReign]

But they didn't cut ties with the past. They traded away a quality young player who was in his early 20s. Then they kept the cancerous players who looked the other way as their teammate was sexually assaulted. Kane and Toews both declining faster than Kopitar forced Chicago's hand. Then they won the lottery when a generational player is available.

That's not masterful handling. That's the definition of getting lucky while having fortunate circumstances of your vets wearing down forcing your hand.

The Kings shouldn't have been trying to win the cup with Kopitar the past several years - but they should have tried to rebuild with a new core while having a legend insulate and teach.

The equivalent of what Chicago did would be trading away Tyler Toffoli in 2016/2017. I said at least one of Pearson/Toffoli should have been traded after the Vegas sweep.

Thank you! Chicago would still be helmed by Bowman making desperation moves like the Jones trade right now if not for the Beech incident coming to light. This notion that they had a master plan is BS—they got insanely lucky. Kane and Toews would’ve been held on to retire as Hawks and keep selling jerseys had their Cup legacy not been rightfully tarnished.

 

[YP44]

Duchene buy out is surprising

 

[KingsHockey24]

Duchene buy out is surprising

For the penalty yes.

Matt Duchene is a very meh 2nd liner who had a good last season.

 

[kingsfan28]

Chicago is being simply masterful over the past year. Brilliant management. Folks didn't see this starting last year with the DrBrincat deal, but they will start to understand it really quickly.

Stripped away the old identity and the trappings of expectations, tanked hard at the perfect time, killed it in two straight drafts, and is insulating the kids with short-term bridge deals while piling up picks.

Everything the Kings SHOULD have done but didn't.


If they get Karlsson, yeah, they do.

Hardley call it masterful. Prior to this they signed Jones and others when they should've started their rebuild. They had expiring big contracts this year from their 2 core guys [traded one], which is saving their asses. They got another potential generational player which the Kings were never in position to get. They're a long way from competing for anything. This is year one of the rebuild.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The only reason Chicago did anything was because not only have they essentially missed the playoffs 6 years running(other than the covid playoffs), but it was the last contract year for both Kane and Toews. And in their mid-30's, not mid to late 20's. To discount that reality, or not even acknowledge it, is ridiciulous. If Kane and Toews had 4 years left on their contracts, the Hawks don't tank hard this year. Stop. The Hawks didn't trade Kane and Toews before handing them $10m contracts either.

To say the Kings should've done the same thing is putting the Kings in a similar situation as the Hawks found themselves in this last year. They simply haven't been in the same contract situation with their big money guys. Doughty wasn't 34 in 2018.

 

[bouncesonly]

lol, didn't know Montreal encompassed all of North America, cause I'm trying to find f***s to give as to whether he plays or not.

 

[YP44]

For the penalty yes.

Matt Duchene is a very meh 2nd liner who had a good last season.

his last two years have been good offensively. Is he worth $8m, good god no! But i think he is worth more than his buy out cap hit, especially considering the term.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Good thing Josi and Forsberg got paid.

 

[YP44]

If the league can make LA add Joiken in the Palffy deal becasue it was too one sided, how are they not looking into Edmonton paying on Kistin for Detoit to buy out Yamamoto

 

[Moses Doughty]

If the league can make LA add Joiken in the Palffy deal becasue it was too one sided, how are they not looking into Edmonton paying on Kistin for Detoit to buy out Yamamoto

Eh there's precedent for that being allowed. Josh Bailey trade with Chicago this week (or at least I think he was bought out), and Orpik was traded to Colorado with Grubauer so they could buy him out years ago

 

[YP44]

Eh there's precedent for that being allowed. Josh Bailey trade with Chicago this week (or at least I think he was bought out), and Orpik was traded to Colorado with Grubauer so they could buy him out years ago

Islanders had to pay a 2nd round pick though.
I just don't think Klim Kostin is enough. Also was saying NHL should review very tongue in cheek. I like when GMs f*** up (as long as it is not LA's)

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

 

[Telos]

Duchene buy out is surprising

It is mind-boggling to me, to be honest. He produced 65 goals and 142 points in the last 149 games with them. It is just wild to me that they bought him out now.

 

[Telos]

Good for him if he does. I mean, the Kings kicked him to the curb and he "won a cup". At this point, sure play for your childhood favorite team before you go out. I wish Quick only the best.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I hope that works out, would love Quick to finish his career on his own terms and strongly, double bonus that it's on the other coast and close to 'home'.

 

[YP44]

It is mind-boggling to me, to be honest. He produced 65 goals and 142 points in the last 149 games with them. It is just wild to me that they bought him out now.

agreed, will be interesting where he goes and for what kind of contract.
If I am him I sign a 1 year deal to play with someone liek McDavid/Mathews/McKinnon and then cash in next year with the cap going up.

 

[Nasti]

I’ve got the Rangers winning the cup next year now. Another cup for Quick.

 

[kingsfan28]

Corey Perry got a 1 year, 4 mil deal with the Hawks. Wow!

 

[Brodeur]

If the league can make LA add Joiken in the Palffy deal becasue it was too one sided, how are they not looking into Edmonton paying on Kistin for Detoit to buy out Yamamoto

Palffy was a star player. Yamamoto is a modest buyout (433K this year, 533K next year) and Kostin has a career high of 11 goals; Kostin was traded recently for a similar stalled prospect who wasn't qualified today.

Carolina got a 1st for eating Patrick Marleau's deal, ditto San Jose in 2007 for bailing the Devils out of cap hell / Vladimir Malakhov's contract.

 

[King'sPawn]

Corey Perry got a 1 year, 4 mil deal with the Hawks. Wow!

Have to hit the cap floor somehow I guess.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Lol 100% offense, 0% defense