Around the league part 2

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King'sPawn

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What's hilarious is it was <1% of the players that weren't wearing the pride jersey. It is impossible to get unanimity in anything. Because LGBT groups and media outlets singled out the few that didn't it made a huge publicity nightmare. The didn't want to wear the "ribbon" (Seinfeld reference.) So now here we are. I'm sure if Jujhar Khaira or Zach Hyman were forced to wear a Jersey with a cross during warmups and extol how awesome Jesus Christ is in pregame interviews, they'd probably not do it. So i can see why the NHL is doing what its doing.
Since you brought them up...

You know that Hyman, a Jew, was playing through his own holiday of Hanukkah? While the persecuted Christians/Catholics get a holiday and don't have to play on Christmas. Basically he has to go along with the Christian calendar. I don't know enough about Sikh holidays, so I can't comment on Khaira - but ultimately they HAVE to go along with the schedule where they cater to Christian beliefs.

So, again, it might be worth looking into the great things we get as non-minorities. People have to go along with the majority agenda a lot. Refusing to wear a jersey for 15-20 minutes one day a year is "wrong" or "oppressive"? It's THAT difficult to have some concession or mutual respect for a minority despite them having no choice when the roles are reversed?
 

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I wasn’t talking to you. I was talking to the guy who was teaching me about what flags mean. I don’t give a f*** about your service either but you went and shouted it didn’t you? Thanks hero.
Actually I thought I made a nice analogy with rooting for your team and being proud of the jersey - healthy tribalism .. wasnt trying to school you with that but maybe it came off wrong. This is an interesting topic because I think those of us who love sports which is everyone here experience that shared group feeling being Kings fans... and everyone wears the jersey wanting to represent something they are proud of (not withstanding how we rag on mgmt). Why couldnt the country achieve the same thing with its flag? I just think the USA is lost - there is no going back and the road ahead looks bleak.. for those reasons I see how the flag has lost its appeal.
 

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Actually I am curious to how much this affects the Kings Care Foundation. I assume this is an issue for them as specialty night warmups were so frequently auctioned. I will be interested in seeing how they choose to deal with this.

I would be proud if they did it anyway.
 

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Actually I am curious to how much this affects the Kings Care Foundation. I assume this is an issue for them as specialty night warmups were so frequently auctioned. I will be interested in seeing how they choose to deal with this.

I would be proud if they did it anyway.
Is there anything in the verbiage about specialty socks?
 
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Just because they can’t wear them, does not mean they can’t sell them. I could definitely see them trying to sell them still
 

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Just because they can’t wear them, does not mean they can’t sell them. I could definitely see them trying to sell them still
True, but what drives their value up is that they are “game worn”. Nobody’s gonna bid and overpay for a jersey straight outta the box. It’s not my thing, but some people love to pay a premium for a jersey that smells like Kopitar’s sweaty ballsack.
 
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johnjm22

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What's hilarious is it was <1% of the players that weren't wearing the pride jersey. It is impossible to get unanimity in anything. Because LGBT groups and media outlets singled out the few that didn't it made a huge publicity nightmare. The didn't want to wear the "ribbon" (Seinfeld reference.) So now here we are.
And that's the irony of it. The biggest supporters of Pride® are largely responsible for creating the controversy that led to the NHL's decision.

Had they shown indifference to a few players not wearing the jerseys, this wouldn't have happened.

People will criticize the NHL, but you can't really expect a multi billion dollar corporation to not be risk adverse and looking to avoid controversy.
 

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And that's the irony of it. The biggest supporters of Pride® are largely responsible for creating the controversy that led to the NHL's decision.

Had they shown indifference to a few players not wearing the jerseys, this wouldn't have happened.

People will criticize the NHL, but you can't really expect a multi billion dollar corporation to not be risk adverse and looking to avoid controversy.
There’s a balance, being critical is fine but having it blow up becomes counter productive. It’s a fine balance between enough pressure and too much.

We have these ‘stop oil’ protestors in the UK disrupting various things… from grid locking motorways to stopping sports events. They give the impression they are more interested in their own infamy than the action cause.

It’s a just cause, but they are being such pains in the rear end, people want to use more fossil fuels just to spite them.
 
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Actually I am curious to how much this affects the Kings Care Foundation. I assume this is an issue for them as specialty night warmups were so frequently auctioned. I will be interested in seeing how they choose to deal with this.

I would be proud if they did it anyway.

It may to some degree but the only thing stopped are pregame/warmup jerseys being worn by players

nothing is precluding them from having 'events' and themed nights nor the other stuff mentioned hotly in this thread

which is why the half-measure of pregame jersey ban is so stupid from an overall standpoint...the nights and events that people are upset about will still happen, it just leaves the players off the hook.
 

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Can you imagine how Adin Hill feels right now? Not that long ago he was an AHL/NHL tweener.

Now he's a Stanley Cup champ, and about to get a 10M contract while living in Vegas with no state income tax.

He must be on cloud 9.
 
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Moses Doughty

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Can you imagine how Adin Hill feels right now? Not that long ago he was an AHL/NHL tweener.

Now he's a Stanley Cup champ, and about to get a 10M contract while living in Vegas with no state income tax.

He must be on cloud 9.

Yup, Mike Grier might've saved his career with that trade. Does this mean the expectation is that Lehner ends up on Robidas Island? If not, Logan Thompson might become the best value goalie on the market
 

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If we ever had to defend our turf from an invading army, the flag and what it symbolize would mean a lot, much like your Kings jersey after the cup was won.
Probably true. If that thing that hasn't happened in over 200 years happens again, I'm sure things would be different.
 
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After the Lindros trade debacle, the NHL instituted the trade call process that lives on today. Apparently GMs at the time hated it, so they would prank call the NHL pretending to be another GM to state a phony trade.

Speaking of Quebec, one "almost trade" that I only learned about recently was that they offered an unsigned Peter Forsberg to the Sharks for the #2 pick in 1993 with the intention of taking Chris Pronger. Quebec had a ton of young forwards at the time and they wanted a franchise D.

The Sharks were a bit of a mess at that point. The owner fired GM Jack Ferreira after their first year. Instead of naming a replacement, he had a three headed GM with Dean Lombardi, Chuck Grillo, and head coach George Kingston. San Jose's scouts were split on who to take at #2. Some liked Pronger but the Sharks had two other 6'5 prospect LD in the system plus Sandis Ozolinsh just finished a promising rookie year. Other scouts liked Paul Kariya. But Grillo had a fascination with European prospects and wanted Viktor Kozlov. Eventually Grillo got his way and Lombardi was tasked with finding a trade down where they could get Kozlov and add assets.

Quebec first offered Mike Ricci and #10 but San Jose declined since the pick was too late to guarantee Kozlov. Quebec then offered Ricci/#10 to Tampa for #3 then would have flipped spots with San Jose, but Tampa said no. The Rangers also made an offer but couldn't guarantee Kozlov.

Lombardi had a meeting scheduled the night before with Quebec to talk about the trade and apparently the Nordiques brass no showed which left Lombardi steaming. Hartford GM Brian Burke had a modest trade on the table offering #6, #45, #58, and veteran Sergei Makarov in exchange for #2. San Jose had unsuccessfully offer sheeted Makarov the previous summer. Left with no other options, San Jose agreed to that deal.

But allegedly Quebec made a last minute offer of Forsberg on the draft floor which further pissed off Lombardi. He vented to the press afterwards that he would have done that deal contingent on getting Forsberg signed. But since Quebec waited so long, they had no time to talk to Forsberg's agent.

The problem was that Forsberg (and Markus Naslund) were declared Group IV RFAs and could sign offer sheets a few days after the draft. The previous summer, Teemu Selanne signed an offer sheet (3 years @400K/year plus 1.5 mil signing bonus) with Calgary that Winnipeg begrudgingly matched. The rumor was that Forsberg was eyeing the contract that 1993 top pick Alexandre Daigle was about to sign in Ottawa (14 mil over 5 years). San Jose was afraid that a team would give Forsberg a bloated offer sheet that would cripple them financially if they matched. And if they didn't match, they would receive no compensation unlike Group I/II/III RFAs at the time.
 
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