Around the league part 2

[fivehole32]

Another victory for the intolerant. Go world.

What's hilarious is it was <1% of the players that weren't wearing the pride jersey. It is impossible to get unanimity in anything. Because LGBT groups and media outlets singled out the few that didn't it made a huge publicity nightmare. The didn't want to wear the "ribbon" (Seinfeld reference.) So now here we are. I'm sure if Jujhar Khaira or Zach Hyman were forced to wear a Jersey with a cross during warmups and extol how awesome Jesus Christ is in pregame interviews, they'd probably not do it. So i can see why the NHL is doing what its doing.

 

[bland]

My politics are pretty transparent, and I've tried not to be too bullish with throwing my opinionated ass around.

It's most galling to me that those calling out the intolerance are being blamed. Instead of, you know, just admitting that the NHL is ill-equipped or unmotivated to continue pushing the importance of inclusivity.

No pre-worn jerseys for Cancer Awareness. No more pre-worn military jerseys. Heck, what if a legendary player died during the season and a special jersey is made in his honor during warm-ups? Nope. Too bad.

Guess people will just have to be louder and obnoxious during the themed nights, since they won't get special jerseys on those nights.

But, the children!

And by children, I mean childish thinking and childish behavior by those of any age. Gotta protect the children.

 

[King'sPawn]

Players of certain nationalities may be persecuted for participating in those pre-game events. When they opt out it causes a major media storm.

The whole situation is dumb & we can't have nice things because of those countries & people that try and blow everything out of proportion like the Sutter hit piece last week.

If players had claimed they'd receive threats, I wouldn't want someone to endanger themselves like that. But, if you're talking about Russian players, there were plenty of Russians who wore pride jerseys.

The PROBLEM is players were claiming that wearing the jersey violates their religious beliefs. To which, I simply think that some people are hiding behind religion to mask their discomfort with the LGBTQ+ community, instead of trying to ask the right questions or have the appropriate conversation about it.

Unfortunately, discussion of this at length has caused threads to be locked, so that's the length I feel I can discuss it without having another shitstorm or having the thread locked.

And you know...? I look forward to a day when there's no more pride month or pride events. Because that means that society has progressed enough where treating everyone equally and acceptance, regardless of lifestyle differences, is just a thing.

And I say this as an old CIS straight white dude where it doesn't even affect me directly, but plenty of friends (and strangers) I care about.

 

[Nasti]

I’ll say it again. Can we get rid of the national anthems before games? Half the players aren’t even North American.

 

[Maynard]

I’ll say it again. Can we get rid of the national anthems before games? Half the players aren’t even North American.

Agreed. Flags are simply logos but people hold them as some sacred symbol that must be honored and respected even though it has nothing to do with sports. It adds to the barbaric primitive tribalism that we dumb humans are still holding onto for some reason. This is not some special blessed country, and the flag isn’t a shrine that deserves adulation and worship.

 

[Statto]

I’ll say it again. Can we get rid of the national anthems before games? Half the players aren’t even North American.

National anthems before sport (we do it in the UK too) started basically as a propaganda tool, it’s the same as pro military events/activities. When you support the message it’s national pride, if you don’t it’s propaganda (which is what it really is). There’s various things in every countries psychology that does it. In the UK we have the Royal family (trooping the colour most recently,) in the US kids do the pledge in school regularly etc. Theres loads more examples in every country but those ones are off the top of my head.

Over time these things get rebadged as tradition. There’s zero chance these things change because it’d cause absolute uproar in some quarters and no one dislikes the ’traditions‘ enough to have the fight. They then continue to serve the purpose of reinforcing the original idea of ‘our country is the best‘….

I don’t really have an issue with it other than to dispel the BS notion that politics is (or should be) kept out of sports.

 

[bland]

If players had claimed they'd receive threats, I wouldn't want someone to endanger themselves like that. But, if you're talking about Russian players, there were plenty of Russians who wore pride jerseys.

The PROBLEM is players were claiming that wearing the jersey violates their religious beliefs. To which, I simply think that some people are hiding behind religion to mask their discomfort with the LGBTQ+ community, instead of trying to ask the right questions or have the appropriate conversation about it.

Unfortunately, discussion of this at length has caused threads to be locked, so that's the length I feel I can discuss it without having another shitstorm or having the thread locked.

And you know...? I look forward to a day when there's no more pride month or pride events. Because that means that society has progressed enough where treating everyone equally and acceptance, regardless of lifestyle differences, is just a thing.

And I say this as an old CIS straight white dude where it doesn't even affect me directly, but plenty of friends (and strangers) I care about.

All change starts uncomfortably as the generations prior to acceptance struggle with its purpose. Thinking changes over time - ideologies don't really change as much as they age out as younger generations take hold with an "people were really upset with THIS? You have to be kidding me" understanding becomes the norm.

Its inevitable, once the ball starts rolling its just a matter of time. Progress threatens the comfortable, but its inevitable.

 

[Buddy The Elf]

I’ll say it again. Can we get rid of the national anthems before games? Half the players aren’t even North American.

Don't say that because then you're anti-American (or whatever nationality). People exercise their first amendment rights and kneel during the anthem are told they should conform. They could've eliminated all of that by removing the anthem, but they didn't. Others exercise their first amendment rights and refuse to wear a jersey because of whatever reason are appeased by their overlords.

The tribalism nonsense in this country is out of hand.

Anyone ever heard the song Dear Coach's Corner?

 

[FSL KINGS]

If players had claimed they'd receive threats, I wouldn't want someone to endanger themselves like that. But, if you're talking about Russian players, there were plenty of Russians who wore pride jerseys.

The PROBLEM is players were claiming that wearing the jersey violates their religious beliefs. To which, I simply think that some people are hiding behind religion to mask their discomfort with the LGBTQ+ community, instead of trying to ask the right questions or have the appropriate conversation about it.

Unfortunately, discussion of this at length has caused threads to be locked, so that's the length I feel I can discuss it without having another shitstorm or having the thread locked.

And you know...? I look forward to a day when there's no more pride month or pride events. Because that means that society has progressed enough where treating everyone equally and acceptance, regardless of lifestyle differences, is just a thing.

And I say this as an old CIS straight white dude where it doesn't even affect me directly, but plenty of friends (and strangers) I care about.

*Except those people that are persecuted for their religious beliefs.

 

[Buddy The Elf]

If MacEwen is worth a 5th, SURELY i'm worth at least a 4th

He's worth a spot on the 5th line.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Panarin: Didn't he have to take a leave of absence during the NHL season to go back to Russia to sort out legal issues after speaking out publicly about Russia? Seems that was pretty recent.

Philly's Russian goalie lost his mandatory military waiver after attempting to join the NHL.

Fear of retaliating against players that displease Russia, isn't a crazy idea. Coming out & saying you aren't participating in something because you are afraid of Russian retaliation may also put a target on you. Who really knows what's going on over there right NOW anyways.

Edit: WNBA had a player arrested & detained in Russia recently. Wether warranted or not, Russia has a track record of making examples out of athletes playing in the West.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Agreed. Flags are simply logos but people hold them as some sacred symbol that must be honored and respected even though it has nothing to do with sports. It adds to the barbaric primitive tribalism that we dumb humans are still holding onto for some reason. This is not some special blessed country, and the flag isn’t a shrine that deserves adulation and worship.

If we ever had to defend our turf from an invading army, the flag and what it symbolize would mean a lot, much like your Kings jersey after the cup was won.

 

[King'sPawn]

*Except those people that are persecuted for their religious beliefs.

Pray tell what people have been persecuted for their beliefs?

Is there a "Don't say God" bill?

Are there laws being passed saying you can't marry someone because of your religion?

Are books about certain religions being banned?

Are teachers being fired for wearing a religious piece of jewelry?

Would you like to be subjected to random genital checks because of your religion?

Because this is just a sample of what the LGBTQ+ community endures every day with attempted legislature from government officials. Nevermind the harassment they get from religious fanatics.

So please, share with me the religious persecution people are enduring? Being encouraged to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas?

 

[FSL KINGS]

Pray tell what people have been persecuted for their beliefs?

Is there a "Don't say God" bill?

Are there laws being passed saying you can't marry someone because of your religion?

Are books about certain religions being banned?

Are teachers being fired for wearing a religious piece of jewelry?

Would you like to be subjected to random genital checks because of your religion?

Because this is just a sample of what the LGBTQ+ community endures every day with attempted legislature from government officials. Nevermind the harassment they get from religious fanatics.

So please, share with me the religious persecution people are enduring? Being encouraged to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas?

So Provorov wasn't just put in an uncomfortable position by his team, thrown in front of the media, refered to as "rainbow hater" on this site & then traded?

Nope, nothing to see here.

Edit: & it's possible the reason for his answer was driven by fear of reprisal by his home country.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

So Provorov wasn't just put in an uncomfortable position by his team, thrown in front of the media, refered to as "rainbow hater" on this site & then traded?

Nope, nothing to see here.

Edit: & it's possible the reason for his answer was driven by fear of reprisal by his home country.

Seems like it wasn’t an issue for Gavrikov.

 

[Maynard]

If we ever had to defend our turf from an invading army, the flag and what it symbolize would mean a lot, much like your Kings jersey after the cup was won.

Six year Army vet here but thanks so much for the lesson.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Seems like it wasn’t an issue for Gavrikov.

Free to make his own choices. That's the point. Provorov was on a team with a Russian player that got stuck in Russia. Russia messing with players was probably more on Provorov's radar.

 

[King'sPawn]

So Provorov wasn't just put in an uncomfortable position by his team, thrown in front of the media, refered to as "rainbow hater" on this site & then traded?

Nope, nothing to see here.

Edit: & it's possible the reason for his answer was driven by fear of reprisal by his home country.

The funniest thing about this post is I thought you were going to make some reference to the Roman Empire back when they actually persecuted Christians. Instead you actually think being asked to wear a jersey with a rainbow on it and being called a rainbow hater is equivalent to having marital rights removed, genital checks, removing books to help you understand your identity, and getting terminated for your identity.

Just out of curiosity, how many practicing Christians have worn the DEVILS jersey without an issue? Do you feel they are also being persecuted religiously?

 

[Maynard]

You don’t want to put too much weight on a symbol of any kind. It can be used by anybody to symbolize extremism, like when people beat Capitol Police with it.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Six year Army vet here but thanks so much for the lesson.

Then why you down on the flag. I agree with you that the anthem doesnt need to be played at games. But to say the flag is just an icon that bums me out - esp you being a vet... the problem is our country has no social cohesion and the flag doesnt represent something we all share.

 

[deaderhead28]

Six year Army vet here but thanks so much for the lesson.

Congratulations it doesn't mean poop to me. I am a combat veteran and served longer, it doesn't mean crap in this conversation or thread. If players refuse to wear political symbols or flags its their right and owners shouldn't force any player either way. If they want to wear pro political things i have no issue either, that's their Constitutional right in this country. If you burn the flag you've that right. If you disagee with a opinion that's protective speech and activity. The flag obviously means more to me than it did or does to you, that's your right to feel that way regardless, but please don't use your service as a trump card cause there is always someone who has sacrificed more and or served more time and not everyone shares your views or mine.

 

[Maynard]

Congratulations it doesn't mean poop to me. I am a combat veteran and served longer, it doesn't mean crap in this conversation or thread. If players refuse to wear political symbols or flags its their right and owners shouldn't force any player either way. If they want to wear pro political things i have no issue either, that's their Constitutional right in this country. If you burn the flag you've that right. If you disagee with an opinion that's protective speech and activity. The flag obviously means more to me than it did or does to you, that's your right to feel that way regardless, but please don't use your service as a trump card cause there is always someone who has sacrificed more and or servied more time and not everyone shares your views or mine.

I wasn’t talking to you. I was talking to the guy who was teaching me about what flags mean. I don’t give a f*** about your service either but you went and shouted it didn’t you? Thanks hero.

 

[deaderhead28]

 

[kingsboy11]

Guys we've gone over this a million times over the past season, just drop the subject. It never ends well. I want to talk about it, but eventually it just gets out of hand and it's just not worth it.

 

[Maynard]

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Proves nothing. Neither does the giant one on your F-150. Does that one have a punisher logo stencil overlay?