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[notbias]

It's an above average but not great gamble I would classify it as that rather then a slam dunk but I guess that is splitting hairs

Its success will rely on what dubas tried to rely on here. Superstars coming up big in the playoffs. Which is a significantly better chance with sid at least I'll give him that

I am not saying it is a big win, but the Pens have definitely improved.

Get the in the playoffs and you have some superstars that may be able to take over.

I think it is unlikely they go on some big runs, but not out of the question.

The biggest thing is getting there first and I think they've done enough to do that.

San Jose didn't have to retain any salary for Karlsson ???

Retained 1.5 million

 

[MCR74]

So much for all the bravado on the trade board.

The Pens got better, but Karlsson defending Jarry will be interesting.

 

[andora]

This isn't really a slam dunk trade. Do they really have a shot at the cup, not unless Sid goes insane. And they're going to have long term cap issues because of it. The biggest win in this was dumping granlund. It is an ok gamble but I wouldn't say slam dunk. They're incredibly thin and don't have a complete defense.

My assumption is that FSG wanted 1/2 years of Sid then this fits their timeline for blowing it up after. But the long term cap ramifications are nothing special especially when weighed against the possibility of them actually winning a cup. They need 0 injuries (on a team that's already had one with latang coming off a stroke) and a miracle run to even have a chance.

If they would have gotten karlsson at 6 mill a year then yes this is the deal of the century but they didn't really open up any cap space within their winning window and have to pay guentzel next year. While getting significantly less depth especially on the blueline



I mean you're never going to get much being the third team in but they got a second, rid of Hoffman and two pieces they can dump

Oddly enough there are like zero long-term cap implications for this. Look at the money that frees up not only just next year but the year after

 

[rocketman588]

Oddly enough there are like zero long-term cap implications for this. Look at the money that frees up not only just next year but the year after

There are always going to be cap implications if you have a 10 million dollar black hole on your roster ( although with the ltir the way it is that probably won't matter). But yeah there's not that many of you're blowing the team up after two years anyways. The bigger issue I would be concerned about if I'm a pens fan is that within the competition window you don't have much room to make moves. Meant short term in the initial post my bad

Obviously if they end up having to dump karlsson and add assets I would be pissed but I assume since they'll be rebuilding they most likely will just eat it

 

[stickty111]

Trade has risks but this is well done by the Pens. Gave up their bad contracts and only a 1st for a player who is still excellent. I said it before where the roster is, going marginal doesn't get them anywhere. You need to fully go in the win now direction, and they did.

 

[DarkKnight]

Unless you think this trade wins you a cup it’s bad when the dust settles. His contract was a boat anchor, now it’s a no brainer win? Id also add his season last year looks a distinct outlier when comparing with several years prior. Hard fact is their core is past their prime obviously, “going for it” doesn’t really make a ton of sense to me.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Dubas just can't resist those 11 million dollar players can he? 11 must be by far his favorite number.

 

[MCR74]

Unless you think this trade wins you a cup it’s bad when the dust settles. His contract was a boat anchor, now it’s a no brainer win? Id also add his season last year looks a distinct outlier when comparing with several years prior. Hard fact is their core is past their prime obviously, “going for it” doesn’t really make a ton of sense to me.

Karlsson better play like a Norris winner or else.

 

[andora]

There are always going to be cap implications if you have a 10 million dollar black hole on your roster ( although with the ltir the way it is that probably won't matter). But yeah there's not that many of you're blowing the team up after two years anyways. The bigger issue I would be concerned about if I'm a pens fan is that within the competition window you don't have much room to make moves. Meant short term in the initial post my bad

Obviously if they end up having to dump karlsson and add assets I would be pissed but I assume since they'll be rebuilding they most likely will just eat it

Yet even short term they have like 18 million next year to re sign guentzel, replace jeff carter, sign smith and joseph and replace depth

And lol if anyone can replace cheap depth its the doobler

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Unless you think this trade wins you a cup it’s bad when the dust settles. His contract was a boat anchor, now it’s a no brainer win? Id also add his season last year looks a distinct outlier when comparing with several years prior. Hard fact is their core is past their prime obviously, “going for it” doesn’t really make a ton of sense to me.

More likely Geno and EK will be on LTIR than the Cup Finals.

 

[rocketman588]

Yet even short term they have like 18 million next year to re sign guentzel, replace jeff carter, sign smith and joseph and replace depth

And lol if anyone can replace cheap depth its the doobler

They're only opening up 6 mil from their current roster (without guentzel) to next year so 12 plus the extra 4 of cap with 4 D 9 FW 1 goalie. If they want to resign guentzel it'll probably take 9 of that. So not really much to play with if they do

If you're trying to win a cup 16 mil with your 1 LW needing to be resign isn't a great time unless you're already at cup winning level

 

[PromisedLand]

LMAO

Usual suspects singing the dubie song here.

The East will be such:

Atlantic
1) Leafs
2) Tampa
3) Boston/Florida

Metro
1) Devils
2) Canes
3) Rangers/NYI

WC
1) Boston/Florida, Rangers/NYI
2) Boston/Forida, Rangers/NYI

Dark Horses: Sabres, Sens, (healthy) CBJ

IMO Ottawa has improved roster with somewhat reliable goal tending; Sabres have improved every season little by little after trading Eichel

Pens are gonna be fighting for WC spot. The gap last season wasn't wide and IMO Karlsson doesn't add that much to the pens given he will be taking 10 AAV (Sharks retained 1.5) from the cap and Pens retained 1.5 million on Petry

Last Season Atlantic Division Standings are proof enough IMO

 

[andora]

They're only opening up 6 mil from their current roster (without guentzel) to next year so 12 plus the extra 4 of cap with 4 D 9 FW 1 goalie. If they want to resign guentzel it'll probably take 9 of that. So not really much to play with if they do

If you're trying to win a cup 16 mil with your 1 LW needing to be resign isn't a great time unless you're already at cup winning level

Fair but they are where they are - the horses are locked in

They probably end up with two to three to play with which isn't bad

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Well if tradition means anything with Dubas led teams, they'll make the playoffs now with the almighty Karlsson and lose in round 1.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Karlsson winning Norris was like Fleury winning Vezina. Nobody cares. Karlsson is not an impact player especially at that cap if your goal is the cup.

 

[leafsfan5]

Pens don’t care about the post-Crosby world, they want to contend until their core retires

They’ll be around for at least a year or 2, which means you get a PPG defenseman on their club to help the core contend. They might have to bite the bullet on EK65 on year 4 of the contract, but by that point the team will already be in a desolate state

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

 

[Superstar]

Unless you think this trade wins you a cup it’s bad when the dust settles. His contract was a boat anchor, now it’s a no brainer win? Id also add his season last year looks a distinct outlier when comparing with several years prior. Hard fact is their core is past their prime obviously, “going for it” doesn’t really make a ton of sense to me.

Dubas is just appeasing Crosby and ownership...if he really have the power to do what he wanted to do, he would trade Crosby, Malkin and Letang.

 

[rocketman588]

Fair but they are where they are - the horses are locked in

They probably end up with two to three to play with which isn't bad

Yeah I suppose. I wonder if it was a redline to only retain 1.5 mil for San Jose or if they could have added to do so. I think I would have given up a prospect or another pick to get to 50% if possible

Dubas is just appeasing Crosby and ownership...if he really have the power to do what he wanted to do, he would trade Crosby, Malkin and Letang.

But I thought he moved solely because he wanted full autonomy. Shanny ruined all his moves here don't you know

 

[andora]

Yeah I suppose. I wonder if it was a redline to only retain 1.5 mil for San Jose or if they could have added to do so. I think I would have given up a prospect or another pick to get to 50% if possible


But I thought he moved solely because he wanted full autonomy. Shanny ruined all his moves here don't you know

Oh absolutely they could have gotten something else but the the more you retain.. the same contracts have to be dumped so the redline is probably the most you are willing to go while taking on the other commitments and feel like you are still ahead.. presuming worst case they cant trade hoffman granlund and rutta for additional

The full scope of this trade should be measured once grier gets to work

Who can they get more for at 50%.. granlund or hoffman.. only one retention spot lwft so smart money is retain on hoffman this year granlund next year

Then rutta.. who is not horrible at 2. Whatever.. so in theory their redline is what they are going to pay to players based on the timeline of moving them + karlsson retention of 6 million and feel ahead

San jose has the potential with some leg work to come out of this nicely

Dont know why they threw im the 3rd though

 

[Gabriel426]

Like the Ek trade.
Pens didn’t give up a lot for EK.
Then again all depends on which EK they are getting. The won who just won the Norris or the one who struggled two seasons ago.

 

[Gallagbi]

Like the Ek trade.
Pens didn’t give up a lot for EK.
Then again all depends on which EK they are getting. The won who just won the Norris or the one who struggled two seasons ago.

They gave up a protected first and second rounder, no? Thats a decent amount on its own

 

[BallardEra]

At the end of the day of the Pens and Dubas are banking their season on Jarry being healthy and showing up.

Get your popcorn.

 

[Burnie97]

Adding Karlsson is nice and all for the powerplay... but their record last year... 40-31-11... yikes.

I don't see them as a cup contender at all. Can't blame them I guess for going all in with an aging Crosby. Good luck.

 

[DarkKnight]

At the end of the day of the Pens and Dubas are banking their season on Jarry being healthy and showing up.

Get your popcorn.

Sounds like a movie I saw here.