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Bednar: You have to skate, move your feet, and battle.
Newhook:
Newhook:
Not surprised. Hope he does well in Montreal. It was never going to work here. This team is out to win as much as they can while the window is open and doesn’t have time for him to work out his growing pains. A rebuilding team is a great fit for him to try to find his game
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Bednar last season: "We'll give him 2 months at 2C and see from there"
Bednar after 3 games in October: "It's been 2 months".
Bednar after 3 games in October: "It's been 2 months".
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Tbf letting him stay there would’ve the equivalent of teaching a kid how to swim and instead of pulling the kid of of the water when he’s drowning, just continuing to let the kid drown.
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Bednar is trying to win the cup, not help develop players and let them make mistakes. It's a case where both the coach and the player are right.
To me, shots fired like these are almost always a red flag. Not a fan of the statement in general.
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Reminds me of Kaut and Bowers wondering why they didn't get the chances here. At some point, the onus needs to be on the player to earn the trust and earn the ice time.
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Interview here... I don't think he was disrespectful:
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Canadiens : Alex Newhook heureux de pouvoir travailler avec St-Louis
Alex Newhook a eu l'occasion de discuter avec Martin St-Louis et il espère pouvoir se développer avec son aide.
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Canadiens : « C'est bien d'avoir quelqu'un qui croit en moi »
Alex Newhook discute de sa dernière saison, de ses objectifs et de sa relation avec Kent Hughes après la signature de son contrat de quatre ans avec le Canadien.
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There is a long list of these things... I can't think of very many who have stated things like this, then went on to immediately rebound to their prior potential. I'm sure there are examples, but the list of guys who don't is much longer.
Funny enough with Kaut, when he wasn't promised a NHL spot in San Jose after the season, he packed his bags and went home. If you're not willing to earn it, you better have absurd talent.
dahrougem2
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I think it goes both ways. A player has to earn trust but a coach also has to be willing to give the player time. Not every player is an immediate impact player.
That said, I am happy Newhook is gone because I see nothing more than Sam Gagner.
That said, I am happy Newhook is gone because I see nothing more than Sam Gagner.
How much is the right amount of time? And has Bednar shown he's not willing to give time?
To me, Newhook got plenty of opportunities up and down the lineup. He was penciled into a key role in two different seasons. He failed to grab ahold of those roles each time.
With Bednar giving time, again to me, he has never been unreasonable to young players. Makar, Byram, G, Compher, Jost, Kerfoot, Nuke, Timmins, Graves, etc all got plenty of time and leash to grab roles. I'd argue Newhook did too. They just didn't grab the roles. Even Kaut got 27 games last year. An expectation that young players should be given years in roles to get comfortable is unreasonable from the other side to me.
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I mean Newhook had ample opportunities here though…? His developmental curve didn’t line up with where the Avs were so we couldn’t be as patient as he needed. But he didn’t take his chances and run.
I don't disagree, but Bednar I think is turning into a very demanding coach. Not saying that's a bad thing, but I think we've seen too many players, being afraid to play in Jared's system as one mistake goes straight to 6 minutes a night as we saw with Zadorov.Bednar: You have to skate, move your feet, and battle.
Newhook:
dahrougem2
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I would argue he didn't get a legitimate, lengthy opportunity at 2C.
That said, he isn't good enough so no issues on my end from Bednar. But lack of opportunity there? I can see Newhook's reasoning.
He got moved up and down the lineup more than any player on this team. It is very hard to establish yourself like that.
Exactly why he'll Jost. Also while MTL is gonna be mediocre for even longer with a meh player.Bednar: You have to skate, move your feet, and battle.
Newhook:
Tralfamadore
Don't Panic.
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Ya they'll never win a championship with his coaching style.
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Because he wasn‘t useful everywhere he was tried. I do think the FO deserves some blame for forcing him into the 2C spot which I think kind of spiraled his season. But even this year wasn’t ideal because of all injuries so chances are he would’ve been moving around quite a bit regardless. And even with all of that, if he wants the trust of his coach he’s gotta show something. In the end its almost always on the player in the end.
I think it gets overstated how much Bednar messing with TOI. Z is a clear example there. He might have gotten pulled from a 22 minute role to a 14-15... but was almost never outright benched. Newhook certainly got pushed to the 4th line, but he was still typically a 13-14 minute player. I think he had only 5 games last year with less than 10 minutes.
For a 2C role... I think you have to earn that. Expecting to be given a role like that is unreasonable IMO. Adding to that, the Avs should have never expected that out of him... and they probably could have messaged that better. Then stating in the summer they were comfortable and going to give him time was a mistake IMO.
RockLobster
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Okay so this is something that I don't really agree with...and agree w/ Henchy on. You don't typically get gifted opportunities, you have to earn them.
Mate, that was as big of a "jump to a conclusion" post as I have seen. Bednar doesn't need any defending, his resume already speaks for himself. Winner at every league, able to get results with inferior squads, and he's the one I wanted Avs to hire when Roy quit. However, my post only brings up the impact that he isn't a perfect coach and never will be. He's excellent, but even excellent coaches will eventually succumb to their weaknesses/ideals to the point that they are let go.
Zadorov is the obvious example, but I think there have been too many other players that seem to play scared. Newhook, Yakupov, Galchenyuk, Greer, Jost, and some others were neutered from their strengths and playing style because of what Avs wanted them to be (which I suspect is from Bednar). Now do we what these types of players in our organisation? No, however, we also cannot continue to keep drafting players like Newhook and Jost high if they ain't going to mesh well and put in the effort that Bednar demands.
Chiarelli
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Reads more like Kaut than Jost. Jost figured out he needed to change his game to stick in the nhl. The other two believe they are skill players miscast in their system.
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Jury is still out on Newhook, but looking at the list of other players, it's not like we missed out on much. Where I would get worried is seeing a pattern where prospects and early career players end up blossoming elsewhere after getting "stuck" due to Bednar's style. If anything, our organization is known for taking players that were discarded or squeezed out elsewhere and helping them take next steps in their career. Think Nichushkin, Graves, Burakovsky, Toews.
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