GDT: Around the League 2023-24 I : "Wake Up. September Has Ended!"

[Oilhawks]

Serevalli taking a potshot at Peel about "drunk tweeting again" is kind of a low blow as I take that as a personal dig if Tim has an alcohol problem. I thought that was pretty unprofessional of Serevalli.

Yup. Seravalli might look wider than his years due to his genetic condition with the premature white hair, but that was childish. He’s no Bobfather in demeanour

 

[BlackDogg]

Great so now Oilers media will be seen as ref haters. As if we don’t have enough issues with ref bias already.

f*** Spec and f*** Peel for putting that out in public.

I think Spector hates the Oilers so mission accomplished.

When things start to dominoe, they really dominoe.

 

[bellagiobob]

C'mon Gary, I need something to bet on tonight. Seems strange to watch a show on Netflix and not have animated cars driving around the edge of my screen and to have no betting popups.

 

[BlackDogg]

C'mon Gary, I need something to bet on tonight. Seems strange to watch a show on Netflix and not have animated cars driving around the edge of my screen and to have no betting popups.

Peel +140
Spector -180

OVER UNDER (zinging barbs) 6.5

 

[CycloneSweep]

I’m different I guess. I would never publicly “out”someone’s DMs sent to me unless it was something like being clearly criminally in its intent. And if then, it would be to authorities only.

Beyond that if someone want to take a heated discussion with me off line from a chat forum to one on one DMs, I respect that happening and would respect the private nature of that conversation.

It depends what is said, if someone is sharing with me private info then absolutely I’m not sharing it. But in this situation I don’t see a problem with it. Tim called him out and Spector didn’t want to respond publically cause he didn’t want to look bad. Thats it.

Spector is a hack coward and him being constantly exposed is wonderful

 

[frag2]

It depends what is said, if someone is sharing with me private info then absolutely I’m not sharing it. But in this situation I don’t see a problem with it. Tim called him out and Spector didn’t want to respond publically cause he didn’t want to look bad. Thats it.

Spector is a hack coward and him being constantly exposed is wonderful

It looks like Tim just made a generic comment that the question was stupid, allegedly not even knowing it was Spec

Spec then went after him via DM.
On one hand, it’s childish of Peel to share the DM; on the other, Spec is a bitch based on the language and tone considering he’s supposed to be some sort of “professional”. Like dude can dish but can’t take. Should just quit working in media then

And then then media cavalry lol. The same BS Drai endured following the pissy comment. PHWA, all trash

 

[CycloneSweep]

It looks like Tim just made a generic comment that the question was stupid, allegedly not even knowing it was Spec

Spec then went after him via DM.
On one hand, it’s childish of Peel to share the DM; on the other, Spec is a bitch based on the language and tone considering he’s supposed to be some sort of “professional”. Like dude can dish but can’t take. Should just quit working in media then

And then then media cavalry lol. The same BS Drai endured following the pissy comment. PHWA, all trash

Yep.
The media and shit calls people out publically constantly, shapes narratives etc and Peel was right, the moment they get called out, they want to keep that quiet.
They can dish but they can’t take.
If Spector wasn’t such a shit writer and person sure, but like. The media defense over him is wild.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Yup. Seravalli might look wider than his years due to his genetic condition with the premature white hair, but that was childish. He’s no Bobfather in demeanour

HES 35?!?!???!?

 

[BlackDogg]

And they make the Oilers play at 1pm Friday as further.punishment.

 

[Oilhawks]

HES 35?!?!???!?

Yup, lol

 

[brentashton]

It depends what is said, if someone is sharing with me private info then absolutely I’m not sharing it. But in this situation I don’t see a problem with it. Tim called him out and Spector didn’t want to respond publically cause he didn’t want to look bad. Thats it.

Spector is a hack coward and him being constantly exposed is wonderful

No argument from me about Spector. I cant stand him as a reporter . I also used to turn his segment off when he would be on Stauffer‘s show at noon. Not a fan.

 

[frag2]

No argument from me about Spector. I cant stand him as a reporter . I also used to turn his segment off when he would be on Stauffer‘s show at noon. Not a fan.

Probably why he’s off Oilers Now. I get Oilers Now is Oilers propaganda but when your gimmick is constantly ripping the team even when things are going well, that’s not gonna fly with higher ups for very long.

And frankly the few times I listened to Spec on 1440, he literally adds nothing of note. Just the same ranting

 

[CycloneSweep]

Probably why he’s off Oilers Now. I get Oilers Now is Oilers propaganda but when your gimmick is constantly ripping the team even when things are going well, that’s not gonna fly with higher ups for very long.

And frankly the few times I listened to Spec on 1440, he literally adds nothing of note. Just the same ranting

I wouldn't mind Spec ripping on the team and shit if the stuff he was saying wasn't mostly nonsense.

 

[joestevens29]

Probably why he’s off Oilers Now. I get Oilers Now is Oilers propaganda but when your gimmick is constantly ripping the team even when things are going well, that’s not gonna fly with higher ups for very long.

And frankly the few times I listened to Spec on 1440, he literally adds nothing of note. Just the same ranting

I mean you have Stauffer on the other side that always try to tell everyone there is nothing wrong, so who cares if you have one guest that finally goes against him.

 

[mkatcherin00]

I don't mind what Tim Peel did. Spec initiated it. "Fuk around and find out"

 

[frag2]

I wouldn't mind Spec ripping on the team and shit if the stuff he was saying wasn't mostly nonsense.

I mean you have Stauffer on the other side that always try to tell everyone there is nothing wrong, so who cares if you have one guest that finally goes against him.

There’s criticizing and then there’s straight up targeting.
Spec defaults to it always being McDrai the past few years. I think that narrative got tired and overplayed. They aren’t perfect but there are countless others who deserve more blame (ie. Holland) but you never hear Spec criticize the make up of team or hollands inability to fix holes

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Pretty sad to see grown professional adults having a public Grade 4 girls pissyfest live in real time on X / Twitter…….and that being the most interesting thing that happened in the hockey world yesterday.

The World is indeed ending.

 

[RegDunlop]

And they make the Oilers play at 1pm Friday as further.punishment.

Are you serious?!
Christ

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

As a beat writer Spector rides the roller coaster of this team's schizophrenic reality reactively waving pompoms during moments of great play and then hacking at their deficiencies when the flawed systemic execution and roster construction inevitably repeat themselves. It's written usually within the day-to-day moment versus big picture, strategic view.

But he is the guy for years who suggested McDavid and Draisaitl needed to lead in being responsible defensively to help this team be able to win in the playoffs versus the outscoring tendencies it/they have. He challenged the overly stilted analytic pump up of Puljujvari which didn't meet the eye test as the player's game withered on the vine.

Unfortunately, almost universally, hockey media (and gambling houses) were picking the Oilers and Holland's team to be Cup favourites. So many were content with a status quo off-season and 'full season of Ekholm.' Zero people saw this team's epic crash led by regression across the board from the super elites on down. There's no absolving Holland for holding on a 100 point roster. His Campbell signing has crushed this team and roster deficiencies now are obvious (still) at top 4RD; forward depth; and lack of hard, heavy support players. The overhyped Connor Brown signing is showing as an expensive failure at least this first quarter of the NHL season.

As a columnist, Spector's job is to observe and state his opinion, deemed expert by his employer, and stimulate discussion on his hot takes. His personality and writing is like a pebble in the shoe, irritating and unrelenting. Though it's also a mirror reflecting back to the wildly erratic, inconsistency every year within this team and extending to its management and ownership.

 

[Drivesaitl]

As a beat writer Spector rides the roller coaster of this team's schizophrenic reality reactively waving pompoms during moments of great play and then hacking at their deficiencies when the flawed systemic execution and roster construction inevitably repeat themselves. It's written usually within the day-to-day moment versus big picture, strategic view.

But he is the guy for years who suggested McDavid and Draisaitl needed to lead in being responsible defensively to help this team be able to win in the playoffs versus the outscoring tendencies it/they have. He challenged the overly stilted analytic pump up of Puljujvari which didn't meet the eye test as the player's game withered on the vine.

Unfortunately, almost universally, hockey media (and gambling houses) were picking the Oilers and Holland's team to be Cup favourites. So many were content with a status quo off-season and 'full season of Ekholm.' Zero people saw this team's epic crash led by regression across the board from the super elites on down. There's no absolving Holland for holding on a 100 point roster. His Campbell signing has crushed this team and roster deficiencies now are obvious (still) at top 4RD; forward depth; and lack of hard, heavy support players. The overhyped Connor Brown signing is showing as an expensive failure at least this first quarter of the NHL season.

As a columnist, Spector's job is to observe and state his opinion, deemed expert by his employer, and stimulate discussion on his hot takes. His personality and writing is like a pebble in the shoe, irritating and unrelenting. Though it's also a mirror reflecting back to the wildly erratic, inconsistency every year within this team and extending to its management and ownership.

Look at my posts in offseason. Myself and others maintained throughout there would be regression, that the team was not a contender, and that last season was the all in.

It was virtually guaranteed Nuge would have fall off. He's never had two great seasons in a row. Obvious the PP would regress, would be impossible for it not to. Of course at some point Drai particularly was going to regress. Been expecting it. The outlier PP success was masking so many problems the team had EV. We were basically winning strings of games due to PP.

The Oilers as cup favorites prediction was as dumb as it sounded. The team got worse in offseason. Always thought Connor Brown would be a complete bust here.

As for Spector there is no job anymore. Or not a legitimate one. newspapers, magazines have crashed. Whether it be podcast or blog or whatever now there is no real line still existing between *official* media and anybody else. The internet meant information by the masses and no longer just by media source. The response a lot of these wags have developed is just to be trolls. They stage these things that people talk about, and its so obvious I don't know why people even pay attention. Spector is as relevant as a hamster.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Look at my posts in offseason. Myself and others maintained throughout there would be regression, that the team was not a contender, and that last season was the all in.

It was virtually guaranteed Nuge would have fall off. He's never had two great seasons in a row. Obvious the PP would regress, would be impossible for it not to. Of course at some point Drai particularly was going to regress. Been expecting it. The outlier PP success was masking so many problems the team had EV. We were basically winning strings of games due to PP.

The Oilers as cup favorites prediction was as dumb as it sounded. The team got worse in offseason. Always thought Connor Brown would be a complete bust here.

As for Spector there is no job anymore. Or not a legitimate one. newspapers, magazines have crashed. Whether it be podcast or blog or whatever now there is no real line still existing between *official* media and anybody else. The internet meant information by the masses and no longer just by media source. The response a lot of these wags have developed is just to be trolls. They stage these things that people talk about, and its so obvious I don't know why people even pay attention. Spector is as relevant as a hamster.

Agreed on the overhype and natural regression although nobody saw this extent from McDavid on down. I hated the off-season status quo 'strategy' as it was the time where trades are made and big money can be off-loaded to cap dump rebuilds. I came around to see the poster logic that this team could better identify its weaknesses through regular season and flip guys like Foegele, Ceci to address roster issues. However no one saw this systemic collapse where making the playoffs is slipping away.

In today's modern Information Society there is far too much noise in which everyone has a voice and there are far too many self-professed experts on virtually everything. Information Literacy is a critical skill in today's world. I view strong, credible journalism as an essential pillar of democracy. However that's not to confuse sports reporting which is a soft pastime. Regarding Spector, it's easy to ignore the source, and his opinion has no consequence in the scheme of things. Sportsnet leverages his opinion to generate impressions to help drive their bottom line. That's his relevance within context of a history Canadian network investment in NHL rights holding. The Oilers franchise matters to their ability to drive towards profitability on this big bet.

 

[Drivesaitl]

In today's modern Information Society there is far too much noise in which everyone has a voice and there are far too many self-professed experts on virtually everything. Information Literacy is a critical skill in today's world. I viewrong, credible journalism as an essential pillar of democracy. However that's not to confuse sports reporting which is a soft pastime. Regarding Spector, it's easy to ignore the source, and his opinion has no consequence in the scheme of things. Sportsnet leverages his opinion to generate impressions to help drive their bottom line. That's his relevance within context of a history Canadian network investment in NHL rights holding. The Oilers franchise matters to their ability to drive towards profitability on this big bet.

If anything mass information has revealed much more on what we used to think of official news sources as just being about who's in control of reporting the news. News indeed has been made into the farce it is. Simply a series of algorithms on what gets propped up as news today.

News is orchestration. Propaganda. Really it always was. Now its just inescapable that it is. The bolded is mostly illusion.

Democracy simply being the least bad alternative. Dumbed down by the masses no matter what the quality and accuracy of news. In turn knowing how easy manipulation occurs in the masses that button gets pressed constantly now by remaining media.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

If anything mass information has revealed much more on what we used to think of official news sources as just being about who's in control of reporting the news. News indeed has been made into the farce it is. Simply a series of algorithms on what gets propped up as news today.

News is orchestration. Propaganda. Really it always was. Now its just inescapable that it is. The bolded is mostly illusion.

Democracy simply being the least bad alternative. Dumbed down by the masses no matter what the quality and accuracy of news. In turn knowing how easy manipulation occurs in the masses that button gets pressed constantly now by remaining media.

Appreciate the point. We don't need to derail the thread discussing it.

Oilers decision to bet their livelihood on a status quo offseason has failed to epic proportions. Now they are in a significant place of weakness with overpay likely with little need for any team 20 games in to disrupt their rosters to accommodate pick a hole any hope ... goaltending; defense; bottom six support.

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[Mez]

Bjugstad has 4 goals this season. wish we could have got rid of some dead weight (Mcleod) to keep him.